WILHELM WATCH / HOUSE PODCASTICA - Monarch: Legacy of Monsters S01E05 "The Way Out"

[00:00:00] Oh impressed with some of it a lot of the writing within it based on characters that we finally get to meet as well as learning a little bit more about other characters that we already are following within the show. So I'm glad that we get a few answers actually. A few answers and I lot of there's a point in episode four with all the flashbacks that do relate to this particular episode that we do see in one scene at the very end. But honestly, I still think it was a filler episode could have been done for an extended episode for episode three or even making this episode four and in extending the intro with

[00:03:07] that information.

[00:03:08] Wait, see. film for having only a $15 million budget. And everybody else I've talked to who has seen it says, like, this might be movie of the year. Which is surprising to me. Me too, because hearing your critiques of the movie last week, and when I say critiques, I don't want that to come across

[00:04:20] like you and Rob hated the movie because you didn't.

[00:04:22] Oh no.

[00:04:23] But you did have some critiques of the movie.

[00:04:26] And hearing those critiques, hand me goes, oh, I'm going to see Oppenheimer too. And there he is in front of the Godzilla minus one poster in the movie theater. And I just started laughing and I'm like, okay. Yeah. I mean, Oppenheimer to me is my movie of the year. Like I saw that in theaters and I was completely no pun intended blown away by that movie.

[00:05:43] So for all these people like making the comparisons, you know, to it's not the typical award ceremony's movie film. Yeah. You know, that's going to go to like movies of the year are going to go to, you know, movies like Oppenheimer or Killers of the Flower Moon or, you know, those kinds of films. Godzilla's for the fans, yes, might be movie of the year.

[00:07:03] Yeah, exactly.

[00:07:05] For the general industry.

[00:08:06] And interested in what they're going with it and within legendary, Godzilla definitely has a different look to them with the pink spikes and the eyes and his atomic breath within

[00:08:15] it looks more like Godzilla 2000 because the Godzilla 2000 from Toho had the pink spikes

[00:08:22] and the atomic, well the atomic breath wasn legendaries, which is fine, especially now by the trailer, it's not his son. This is just another baby Kong. But what interests me about this is it seems like we're definitely going to dive more into Hollow Earth. We're going to get more of that world. It seems like humans do exist in the Hollow Earth because there's tribes of people

[00:11:02] down there. It seems like there's even's been down there since what, the 1950s, could still look almost the same age. Yes. Because she lived down at the role at that time, she could be ageless. Yeah, exactly.

[00:12:21] Yeah.

[00:12:21] She could, she could still look the same as she did when she fell in.

[00:12:25] But we're going to have to wait and see that I'm not going to watch ahead because I want it to all be revealed week to week. You have since failed that commitment.

[00:13:41] Yeah, I did.

[00:13:43] You have watched through episode eight. Yeah. So. May, Lee, all of them are in isolation, isolated from each other. They have their own independent cells going to attempt to try. So they have to be a friend of your old men. They have to constraint. Well, but it's funny that you say that because again, there's a couple things that come out of this before they send everybody on that. Well, everybody except Lee

[00:17:22] the question why this may have her passport? Did something happen to Lyra?

[00:17:25] Hmm.

[00:17:27] Good question.

[00:17:30] Thanks for your input, Mark.

[00:17:31] On, moving on.

[00:17:33] No, no, I'm not.

[00:17:34] I'm kidding.

[00:17:35] I'm kidding.

[00:17:36] But, you know, it's a good question.

[00:17:39] I would assume that's her sister's.

[00:17:45] That's what I'm thinking.

[00:17:46] I mean, just the people that do it. The way she says, she goes, oh, shall we call it Titanus? May Hewitt? Or Lyra? Lyra Matteo of Tacoma, Washington.

[00:19:00] Yeah.

[00:19:01] So I found that interesting, but it also gives us a little insight of May where she originally

[00:19:06] came from. The fact that Duvall knew about May and how she's able to work with everything with computers, she knows that there's got to be a backup to that laptop even though they can't get anything off that laptop. It's got to be somewhere in a cloud or something that she backed up on her own. So she's getting all that information,. Verdugo says to Lee. Oh, I missed that part. Okay. All right, fair enough. So I'm so yeah, so then there they know more than what they're leading on. But I mean, again, we do get the conversation later that Verdugo well, not Verdugo, but

[00:21:41] Tim kind of want to let's the keys, the one that fights for them and says like, look,

[00:21:46] this is in my head when I was driving around this week for work and I'm thinking it was like, all right, everything's based around Monarch. And then the movies had, you know, with Kong versus Godzilla, that particular movie that regarded apex. I'm wondering if they do a season two, will they involve apex?

[00:23:04] Or does this flow into something with apex?

[00:24:02] and leads her to leave Monarch, and she becomes one of the original creators of Apex.

[00:24:06] Interesting.

[00:24:07] So I don't know, that's a very loose theory.

[00:24:12] I don't know.

[00:24:14] You know, but one of the other things,

[00:24:16] we kind of touched base on it too,

[00:24:18] one of the other things that comes out of this whole thing

[00:24:20] with them being at Monarch is they are playing

[00:24:22] with Lee's age again.

[00:24:25] Yes, Duvall and look like that? Well, I mean, and think about it, like the mission that goes that went bad think that leads more into like he went after Kay. He like he wanted to see if she was if he of sharing the screen together now they why it wasn't really there But you know They did get to share the screen together, which was kind of cool. Oh

[00:28:20] It's all for it

[00:29:26] up later on, but there's a commercial that Contaro looks at with Kate and amaze there as well. But it's the stratosecure homes. Apparently they're underground homes and underground

[00:29:33] and it's like who wants to live in an underground bunker? And I think this is kind of a play

[00:29:38] on from G-Day and how people were getting paranoid and wanted to live underground so

[00:29:43] that they could get away from any Titan attack. comparison and I don't like to, I don't want to mention like another film but it does a little to a like Pacific Rim because they were doing that. They were actually building a wall and stuff like in that particular movie. Well, we do get that too because they, you know, they are told that San Francisco has been walled off like they do not allow people in

[00:31:03] anymore. But going back to what you had little elements about this. Yeah. You know, it's not like it's not like power Rangers where the Zorns grow grow defeat the monster at angel grove and the next day everything's fine again until the next like yeah there

[00:32:21] were no deaths there was no injuries.

[00:32:23] Yeah. say in comparison to last week's episode, where we got a lot of flashbacks with Kontaro and May and seeing a lot of their background and how it didn't kind of work for that episode and like there was no chemistry or anything like that between the characters. good person. Every person she has ever dealt with or been involved with, she has let down. Yes. And she's not only living with the guilt of that, she's living with the guilt of never being able to

[00:35:02] resolve that. She let down those students because she's also living through a mountain of guilt. So she is somebody with the weight of the world on her shoulders. And the flashbacks, unlike last episode, do a. God. I looked at that. I'm like, all right, what's the name of the cuff? Oh my goodness. And it's like, you see it. It's like grounds. It's like an explosion. But I'm like, did they mean it to be zero? But it looks, it's an H there for a hero. I'm like, OK.

[00:37:41] That's that's funny.

[00:37:43] I mean, it's it's very ironic. commercial or jingles that their father used to do for them and then they were just singing them through. And you can see them getting along a little bit. And it was nice that they actually connected over that. Like they saw something that they both had in like yes they have a lot of things in common and that their father was leading a double life.

[00:39:00] They were on opposite ends of it but while they were on opposite ends of it there was something there that kind of.

[00:40:06] there as well. So we finally get Tamlin Tamita as the mother Carolyn.

[00:40:12] We kind of knew that was coming. But I was so happy to see it. Same here.

[00:40:18] Because, you know, yeah, it was nice seeing Tamlin Tamita. But the moment I saw her, of course, I'm like, cool, Michael. I don't remember that. Six episodes. Commodore. She was the Commodore. Oh, don't remember that at all. But now I'm going to have to go back and rewatch it. Yeah. Yeah, but it was nice seeing that. And she knew that he had a dual life in some way. And the reason why she sent Kate there was because after G box too, because that was going to bring that up. And that was, you're right. It's one thing for Carolyn to invite Kentaro in, especially knowing like, hey, this is Kentaro Randa, meaning this is your husband's other child,

[00:45:28] So, especially by the time that they have to go to the ruins, now we know they work for FEMA, and that's what they were been gathering, all the stuff from the sites that were closed down.

[00:45:33] They have access to that to get people's personal property, which has been blocked off from the

[00:45:39] regular public.

[00:45:41] So her and James go in there and collect says, oh, well, a lot of these structures underground aren't holding up, and it's causing a lot of buildings to just randomly fall. I'm like, okay, that makes a lot of sense.

[00:47:00] But now where are you headed?

[00:47:02] One of the still-standing them. And then where are we going? Oh, that tower. No. No, sorry. If I was mayor, I'd be like, have fun, guys. I'm going back.

[00:48:21] Exactly. Like, OK, Kate, I know you.

[00:48:24] Is that my dad? it. Yeah. So sure that it's still see some of the directories at the very beginning. Yeah. But I mean, but again, this is very nitpicky. Like it didn't take away anything from the episode for me. No, the venture to get there with the flashbacks with Kate

[00:49:43] were done very well. Like we already mentioned them all with the girlfriend, how she kind running into the train lines and the underground subway stations and trying to hide from them. Those flashbacks work because we're seeing a trigger of Kate's trauma. Yes. That's why believable because there's no wind or snow. They're just sitting on a desk. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no windows are blown out in that building too. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, there's not a lot of stuff

[00:52:23] that seems very hard to believe. relation between the last episode and this one is Kentaro's art, his first art installation was about projected images, which is actual map before May backed it up on the laptop and then the tablet. But you you get another something projected onto something else. So like you're right, it could have been foreshadowing or could it be that like Lee is younger than we think he is?

[00:56:21] I, you know, by showing us why it on top of,

[00:56:24] I don't know, I could. Yes. Hold on. I gotta look this up while we're talking. I think you're right. Let's, Godzilla versus Kong. Let's see, Godzilla, no, it's from Godzilla 2024.

[00:57:43] It is a scene with, with Sarasawa and he says,

[00:57:46] let them fight. another mention of 2014 of Which Shah when for do go was talking to him and he was that's what that was the scene I was talking about the let yeah, yeah, yeah, he kind of mentions we Gives the argument of what if they? What if God's old it and when and then he process that argument?

[00:59:03] so

[00:59:04] The world would be full of those mutos because they were looking to So it's probably your first. And we kind of talked about that a little bit either last episode or the episode before when we were talking about like, he went to try and rescue Kay and maybe there was something that drew him away from it and now he's trying to get back.

[01:00:22] And that's ultimately, that's what his goal is

[01:00:25] and he's using these know to what extent. Yeah, that's that's still a question in my head. Yeah. So I do. I like the fact that, you know, Vadugo calls out to him and saying, like, well, I wasn't the one that kidnapped them.

[01:01:42] And he's like, yeah, mistakes were made.

[01:01:45] Yes, mistakes were made,. Yeah, I mean, and even the soldier was like, oh, more of those damn cats. So I mean, it is a well-known thing

[01:03:01] that cats have kind of taken over that.

[01:03:05] But I'm wondering if there, you know, I'm kind of... You're projecting. Yeah. Projecting onto something else. Yeah. Any other notes from the episode then before we move on to feedback? Uh... No, not really. The only thing I have would be a couple of quotes.

[01:04:23] Yeah, both of them.

[01:04:24] One of them was from Lee to Verdugo,

[01:05:26] way out is through. And then out of the blue during that time, like when Kate starts to calm down a little bit, then Contara comes in and says he found a way out just to follow the cats. Yeah. And it got

[01:05:31] them through. And we got them through. Got them through. Cool. So then that leads us to feedback,

[01:05:41] the feedback section of the podcast. And we have a good, good reference. Yeah, he was definitely eaten by a skull crawler. I do remember that. mindset right now so i've been rewatching a lot of that a lot of those so but i will try and fit scall island scall is a christmas movie right no no i figured i mean i was gonna try with like die hard and batman returns you never know uh but thank you joe for uh for the email through the website and i apologize that

[01:08:21] i didn't get to it last week the episode. And the first comes from Sam who has left us feedback already for the past couple episodes. So let's see what Sam has to say for this one. Hi, Sam from Boston. Well, I definitely liked this episode way more than last week.

[01:09:40] And I really appreciated the podcast as usual.

[01:09:43] You guys need me more invested in the show.

[01:09:45] And I really appreciate that I wasn't partner. I'm just a little confused about the purpose of it, like that component of the flashbacks. I thought we were going to watch the in a corner and be quiet somewhere. He had annoyed me so much this episode. I cannot stand this child. So I just, you know, stop that you're ruining this. And also I hope you never see that soldier who said he wanted to shoot the cats. Really? I hope he's typing food. Thanks, guys. I agree with the cat one.

[01:12:23] So going back to being a little bit confused with Kate and the,

[01:13:21] I didn't really think about that.

[01:13:25] So that was a really good point. But thanks again, Sam, for the feedback.

[01:13:27] Yeah.

[01:13:29] And that, of course, leads us to our weekly live steving

[01:13:34] from our friend Steve Brown.

[01:13:36] So let's play that now.

[01:13:38] Hello, Mark and Ben.

[01:13:39] This is Steve, and this is gonna be for Mark,

[01:13:41] episode, season one, episode five.

[01:13:43] Haven't seen the title yet, so I don't know it.

[01:13:45] Oh, the way out.

[01:13:47] See where you go. And the French woman is saying the same thing you've heard before that Kurt Russell looks way too young to be 90 years old. So there's something that slowed his aging. According to Tim, it's classified. Okay, this James is a character. I don't always see him before or not, but I can't wait to get to know more about James. Okay. Kate just broke the news that Kentaro is a randa and her mom just kind of sighed.

[01:15:04] Did she already know that Hiroshi had another family?

[01:16:08] movie. There were a couple other things in there too. And I forget, oh, the whole comment about, you know, Kurt Russell or Wyatt Russell's not playing an older Kurt Russell, like, you know,

[01:16:13] just they're playing each other as well. They are the criticism that Kurt Russell's not playing

[01:16:18] or why it's not playing a younger Kurt Russell and he shouldn't be bravo. Well done. Agree,

[01:16:23] completely. You're right. It's totally valid.

[01:17:42] But thank you guys and everybody who left that feedback

[01:17:44] this week, we encourage you guys to leave us feedback

[01:17:46] for the episodes. We wrapped up Gen V, Rob and I, and Vincible is done. We're just waiting. Right now we're in a small little holding pattern until what if from Disney Plus gets released. What's going to be interesting about that when we cover it, they're actually putting out one a day when it gets released.

[01:19:01] Really?

[01:19:02] Supposedly.

[01:19:03] According to what Kirk Manley was stating on the Lokicast when they covered the marvels. episode of Monarch. We covered Rob and Ben and I covered Real Steel, so that's out already for your listening closure. Yeah, we recorded that immediately after we recorded last week's episode of Monarch. We did a double recording last week. That was fun. That and over there, there's a ton of stuff happening. There's something pretty much for everybody over there. Daphne and Paik are returning with Run for Your Lives. They're doing one of my favorite movies, which is Tucker When do you watch them? What movies do you avoid? All that fun stuff. Send it to me at feedback at willhompodcast.com and I'm going to use it for my year-end special. I think that's it. I would say. You're like, all right, I guess it is.