WILHELM WATCH / HOUSE PODCASTICA - Monarch: Legacy of Monsters S01E04 "Parallels and Interiors"

[00:00:00] Oh That's a welcome rub. Yeah, you guys podcast quite a lot together. Do you not? Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yeah, I mean, I have Mark over on mine quite a few times and I usually help out on his. Yeah. I've got jumps on in panels and then does adrenaline on occasion.

[00:01:43] Yeah, all three of us are actually going to be doing an adrenaline cinema episode together.

[00:01:47] Yep. because it's like, yeah, it's a man in a suit. And you could kind of see that, you know, they're just kind of breaking a model, you know, studio or whatever it is. And, but no, I'm not, I would say yes, I'm a fan, if it's done right. I'm a fan of like the legendary stuff. I was gonna, that was gonna be my next question too,

[00:03:00] what's your opinion been on the legendary side of things

[00:03:03] so far?

[00:03:04] The reason I like legendary is one, I was telling Mark that I hated Shin Godzilla because I just felt like they concentrated too much on what every department does and there was always a title for every department and it just seemed like wow That's a lot of bureaucracy in this whole movie To just do one thing, you know, it's like this department has to go to this department This department has to go to this department and and I was like the least American films. We just get to the point

[00:05:22] that I said that it was absolutely horrible.

[00:05:26] Oh, you talk about shin.

[00:05:30] No, you're taught after that.

[00:05:35] Remember how I said house like to seem like he's he's he's knowledgeable.

[00:05:36] We just saw it in the theater Thursday.

[00:05:38] It's my new one gets it.

[00:05:39] No, it's no.

[00:05:41] I'm talking about that I said that I saw it at my house and I was

[00:05:45] even texting you saying this is the most horrible thing I have ever.

[00:05:48] Oh, fine. but i i know marx thoughts about that? Go ahead mark

[00:08:21] Basically, I did enjoy it. There are a few things I'd nip pick about it, but

[00:08:27] overall it was a

[00:09:25] story centered based upon the characters and it's a build up based around one particular character and his encounters throughout the movie, which is very good. I, when we were rating it that night

[00:09:32] when we got out and we were hanging around the parking lot, Rob, you said it was like maybe a 7.5

[00:09:40] at most. I gave it probably about a 7.8, but yeah, great cinematography and certain parts, great colors. And like Mark said, some really nice amages to Jaws, very obvious things, you know, but other than that, the reason I didn't feel that it was like this grand thing like everybody

[00:11:00] else thought is because I was comparing it to the legendary stuff, and especially the Godzilla, Okay. That might be more of sucking up than anything. Yeah, I think so. They're paying us so I have to say this. Do I want Godzilla X Kong to still release? I should probably talk this movie up. Exactly.

[00:12:20] Right.

[00:12:21] But let's get into this bit of the titan within the episode which is what a lot of people fix it focus on.

[00:14:45] they are like in 50 degree, you know, below zero. And they still have that beautiful complexion on. So it really took me out of the episode. I mean, that's like all I could see was like,

[00:14:54] you guys are like, I don't know, I think it was what Alaska or something or that they

[00:14:57] went to. I think it's supposed to be Alaska. Yeah. Yeah. So you know, they're in Alaska

[00:15:02] and you see this freezing weather and of course the wind chill and all this stuff, but they're anything with the snow and we don't have a much more powerful wind machine that we can use. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's some good points too because I'm with you on that one too, Rob. Like the Arctic weather didn't feel very realistic for me. It kind of took me out of it because you're

[00:16:21] right. As cold as they made it to be with May falling into the water and as painful as that,

[00:17:30] But the episode itself was typical, it just reminded me of any other show that we will ordinarily watch that becomes filler. And I'm like, that could have been a five minute thing, the whole thing.

[00:17:35] Yeah, the whole thing.

[00:17:37] Yeah.

[00:17:38] May lying, him hallucinating May lying next to him in the snow.

[00:17:41] It wasn't needed.

[00:17:43] Him hallucinating about his father coming to his art exhibit, like, from Barnes calling in from from the station in Utah. That stuff I didn't mind because I found that added a little bit more intrigue to the story. Like why is it in Utah they're picking up all of this stuff and no other stations close by are picking this up because then she also makes mentions when she's talking to Verdugo later.

[00:19:04] She mentions Genjira, which is a Cranston's scientist in that particular movie where his wife died and The moto came out and that's what's wrong. That was the that was the genjira power plant from that she mentions. Yes

[00:20:26] Yeah, so it's Outpost 47 gave me the,

[00:21:45] kind of like the illusion of,

[00:21:47] oh, okay, there you're taking it way too far. So, you know, those are the moments I'm like, I wonder what Neil DeGrasse Tyson would say about this. Oh, man, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, I mean, this is a man who nitpicks the stars in Titanic. Correct. I can't even imagine what he's thinking about this too. But I mean, yeah, like, I'm, I followed

[00:23:03] along with the science well enough, but I'm with you desk. The troll in the basement. The troll in the basement. There you go, there's the answer. But you know, one of the things we've been talking about these first couple episodes is, is Tim nefarious or is he working for good? And I think we got a little bit more of a realization

[00:24:22] into that this episode in that speech that he gives

[00:24:25] about like, I thought we were work for me, I got agents that work for me. So monarch seems to be a huge, huge agency that nobody knows about, but I'm sure there's a lot of different pegs just having the relationships that these kids are having. It's like, okay, that's kind of cool, but I don't need to really dive into that. I want to see the other stuff that interests us is a lot more interesting than the kids. Monarch is in court deliberations at the beginning of Godzilla King of Monsters, and by Godzilla versus Kong, they are helping with relief efforts. They are a very public and out in the open company. So we're at a very interesting time of Monarch

[00:28:22] where it seems like they are still very private. They're very under the radar.

[00:29:28] outpost 47. I'm curious if the tent or whatever Hiroshi was in was called outpost 31 with him and whoever he was with. Because that was the actual outpost from the thing. But

[00:29:34] I'm serious. But the thing is, is that there were like, there was actually a callback to

[00:29:41] the thing in there when he was trying to burn of all things, as he's an older person now. But you don't see that, that kind of personality in his son, when, you know, at a younger age. You know, he has his own, of course, but it would be nice if he would try to imitate his dad, say, okay, I'm gonna try to imitate the young

[00:31:00] Kurt Russell, you know, my young dad,

[00:31:03] the way he, you know, in all his movies,

[00:31:04] how he's always been.

[00:31:05] Cause then that would have been really cool. or add some of the younger part or some of the flashbacks onto this by cutting a shorter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I think that's where they kind of lost us at that point because we got so used to the flip flopping between different time periods and you looked forward to seeing those flashbacks and then coming back to kind of present time.

[00:32:23] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:32:25] Well, let's talk about a little bit of those nitpicks

[00:32:27] and some of the issues that and Contaro at the bar,

[00:33:42] how they get into the play it. It's but the weird stuff with her and Kentaro to me just, I don't know if it's just there wasn't chemistry between those two actors in this, in this, because I like Kirsty Clemens. That's the hard part about this for me. Yeah. And I mean, I've never, I've never seen, I forgot the actor's name that plays a Kentaro. It's a right, uh, uh, uh, uh,

[00:35:04] Ren wadabe. I've never seen found sister would say, I'm not going to let my newly found brother go off on his own instead because

[00:36:21] you could kind of see that Kate and May, there's something there, like some kind of chemistry there.

[00:37:23] I think there seems to be an attraction there, and I could be wrong on that,

[00:37:24] but it just seems to be something that might be there

[00:37:27] or might not, I don't know.

[00:37:29] That would be interesting.

[00:37:30] I didn't really kind of pay attention to it,

[00:37:32] but I'm definitely gonna pay attention to it now.

[00:37:35] Yeah, no, it's just, I saw it and I was like,

[00:37:37] huh, which, look, there's nothing wrong with that.

[00:37:41] No, it's just the fact that,

[00:37:43] and then may should be thinking, and if it is,

[00:37:47] may should be going, say, you know what, if you're not going with me, I'm going on my own. And he is the one who does

[00:39:02] eventually end up rescuing them. Yes, he does. Those shavings would not have been on that table. Exactly. Weren't they also on the snow? Yes. Like I was, yeah, he tracked them. He tracked them like a tracker. Oh, I missed that part. Oh, yeah. That's that's why it has such a big problem with this whole scene.

[00:40:21] Cause I'm like, wait a minute.

[00:40:22] You're in the tundra with, I mean, you could see in the background that the wind is like going, I don't know, 50 miles an hour.

[00:41:20] Yeah. Where was the local outpost?

[00:41:23] Where was that outpost?

[00:41:25] Was that the other buildings he had seen in the distance?

[00:41:29] Or is it just the abandoned?

[00:41:31] No, he found the abandoned one.

[00:41:33] I know.

[00:41:33] I know.

[00:41:34] I know.

[00:41:34] I know.

[00:41:36] But we also get the the hollow earth lighting coming from the ground to within us.

[00:41:43] Well, I question that.

[00:42:42] like time works differently there. In the hall of earth, I mean,

[00:42:45] now I'm trying to see how the science of that will work.

[00:42:49] Well, I mean, if you consider how long Godzilla

[00:42:52] and all these other Titans have been around,

[00:42:55] they have to be coming from somewhere

[00:42:57] that probably slows their aging too.

[00:43:00] If there is, there's something like, it's way beyond,

[00:43:04] it's what we call movie magic.

[00:43:05] But yeah.

[00:43:06] And of course, yeah lights coming out of that. Yeah, that's why I'm saying I think we kind of have to wait because it seemed, if our theory is that Lee has spent time in Hollow Earth or somewhere like that, he definitely seems a little surprised by what he sees. He sees this hole and he does seem surprised by this.

[00:44:22] Right, so if he's surprised by it,

[00:44:24] or if like let's say he did spend some time in there,

[00:44:27] he shouldn't be surprised. before Kiko and Bill, which means there's a possibility that Kate and Kontaro could be his grandkids. Yeah, we talked about that too. Wow. Yeah. And not Bill's grandkids. Right. Man, DNA man. DNA tests. So it's a way to see for any of them, we could be completely

[00:45:43] wrong on all of them. Yeah. And Kurt Russin, I'm always like, okay, so what's either like, I try to, even though it's a fantastical thing, but what does the heat do for him? Is it energy? Is it food? Because if you live in Alaska, you don't have that much heat there.

[00:47:02] Yeah, I think it feeds it.

[00:48:20] Yeah, I think. Okay, so I mean is it? I don't know. I have to look at it again to see if that's the case. The only thing that's memorable is the little tentacles with like the little, you know, LED lights at the end. Yeah. I mean, it'm thinking about them. It's like, no, an animal that's supposed to be relying on heat should have probably said, okay, there's something thermal down there. That's just again, that's just the

[00:49:42] the nature buff me. There you go.

[00:50:49] water when May did. Right. That could have made more sense to me. You know, then the frostwork sucking maze heat through it. That I again, stretch of imagination. This is a

[00:50:59] show where Godzilla is real. So, you know, we have that he had two families, he's a scumbag. But that being said, why he's disappeared when we know that he's alive. And I mean, he had a family for what, over 20 years in two different places. So kind of, you know, I want to hear his excuse.

[00:52:22] That's basically what I was like, all right, or very interesting if they do get there. And, you know, obviously they're looking around for him and they say like, no, your father's not here, which just adds more to the mystery and extends the mystery of where the hell is he? What? And it could, it could play into whatever that hole in the earth is.

[00:53:40] Possibly.

[00:53:43] Like maybe that's where he is.

[00:55:01] He told me. That show lasted even shorter than La Brea. That's a deep cut. That's a deep cut. That's a deep cut. I'm full of those. Anything else from... Nothing. I look forward to a lot of the questions

[00:55:03] that we all have on the show. So far it's been good.

[00:55:05] I think this is, like you said,

[00:55:07] this has been the weakest one of them all, Usually listen to these or read these in advance. So we're gonna be hearing them for the first time as we do for everybody else. So we have two voicemails to play. Mark, I didn't send you the feedback. I'm just gonna read them. The two that come from feedback, the two that come from Facebook at least. The first one comes from Adam Buckley.

[00:56:22] He says, loving the show so far,

[00:56:24] just loving the story, being about the human story, might be some truth to that as well. I think that's true. But Apple's answer to that is, well, you should be. Yeah. Hey, look, I'm not going to lie. When it comes to technology, I'm not an Apple person at all. I'm PC, I'm Samsung, I'm Galaxy, like I'm all the way. And that's because I went to college for computers, so I know how they're really made

[00:57:44] and such. much like Netflix, but what little we have, let's try to give us some good quality stuff and this definitely has shown that. Yeah, for sure. That takes us into the two voicemails that we have and the first one comes from Sam from Boston who has sent us a voicemail before. So let's see what she has to say.

[00:59:00] Hi, Ben and Mark, who's Sam from Boston calling in for feedback of episode three and four.

[00:59:05] I really liked episode three. It's probably my least favorite out of all of them so far. And you guys do such a wonderful job on the podcast and just help me to appreciate different things in the episode and the time and energy that went into it. You guys reminded me that this show was about the humans behind the monsters. That is why I'm not getting into the show the way

[01:00:20] that I've gotten to the movies.

[01:00:21] I don't like most of these characters.

[01:00:24] And it's not that they're bad.

[01:00:26] I'm not connecting with them in a way the actress's fault. Her writing was, she spent most of this episode either dying slowly if I both are yet not her fault, or having flashbacks to when she met Kentaro. And we look at Kentaro's flashbacks, slash hallucination, he's talking about and thinking about his art gallery and his relationship with his dad, which makes sense. Maybe he has some regrets

[01:01:40] in there from what we've seen. Mae is thinking a lot of series have like, hey, listen, we can actually tell this entire story with four episodes. Well, but I mean, we need some filler stuff in there to make it 10 so we can have more

[01:03:00] people tune in.

[01:03:02] And that's what I think this was.

[01:03:03] Well, I mean, if you have a story that you can tell in four episodes, tell it in four

[01:03:07] episodes. And I used to be a huge, huge fan of the X-Files. So they used to have like about 24 or 23 episodes per season. And then when they came back years later and have what was it like maybe 10 episodes or eight episodes, they still put fillers in there. And it's like, guys, you got now eight episodes concentrate on the main arc of what X-Files has always been.

[01:04:23] But no, they decided like, oh, let's do some extra X-File

[01:04:26] X-File type of episodes just to put in there. Dude, come on, man. Wrap it up. Yeah. I mean, if you look at, it's not on Apple, but you look at the Continental, which was on Peacock. Oh, yeah. It was three episodes. I had to see that. It was three episodes and it was promoted as a three episodes as a mini,

[01:05:43] not a mini series, a three episode event

[01:05:47] is what they called it.

[01:06:42] the stuff that's, you know, in present time. Well, I mean, it's one of the biggest things that they promoted about this.

[01:06:45] It's even in the credits where it says, you know, and Lee played by Kurt and then it fizzles

[01:06:51] to Wyatt or no, played by Wyatt and then fizzles to Kurt.

[01:06:55] Like one of your biggest promoting aspects of this is that father and son are playing

[01:06:59] the same character.

[01:07:00] Right.

[01:07:01] And yet we didn't get that at all in this episode.

[01:07:04] Yeah.

[01:07:05] Well, maybe you said some other episodes where you won't see Kurt Russell at all. Steve before? No, I have not. But they are basically live commentaries of the episode. So they are what we call live stevens. So here it is, our voicemail from from Steve Brown. Hey, Ben and Marcus, Steve, I just finished you got your coverage of episode three. And I think the best line I've heard thank you, Ben was, I love it when Steve sounds confused.

[01:08:23] Here we go for episode four. Okay, who's in Utah in 2015?

[01:09:24] flashback. I love Kurt Russell and the Titans like snowflakes no two are the same. Oh that was a cool edit from the we just trust me from the snow to back to

[01:09:30] the flashback because they're gonna then they're gonna go separate ways because

[01:09:34] they don't believe Kentaro saw something. So now we see the girl from the

[01:09:39] beginning and she's a pulsar that's you on to the next episode. I'm going to repeat what I said last week. I love it when Steve sounds confused.

[01:12:01] Well, you just walked in a circle. It's like, oh, okay.

[01:12:03] So you're gonna blame the Titan.

[01:12:06] Yeah.

[01:12:07] Blame the Titan.

[01:12:08] Yeah, not your sense of direction in what's supposed to be

[01:12:14] freezing weather and a lot of wind

[01:12:16] and you don't have any kind of like markers

[01:12:18] on where you're really going.

[01:12:19] Exactly.

[01:12:20] There's no wonky reality.

[01:12:23] You followed the wrong light.

[01:12:26] Yeah.

[01:12:27] You went the wrong direction what you're all about. Sure. So I have a podcast called Fantasy Pics Movie Edition. And the podcast, basically, what we do is we look at big tentpole movies that failed at the box office or with critics. And we do our own fan casting to see how we would have made it better. So whether it's changing the

[01:13:40] actor, the story, the director, who knows whatever it is. And we

[01:13:44] have fun with that. We also, the top five stuff is fun because we do a lot of that stuff on Wilhelm, here on Wilhelm too. We do the top fives every once in a while. I know Mark's been on to do what do we do top five? John Q's Act movies.

[01:15:01] Yes.

[01:15:02] Very early on and what else have you dive into another series here on Wilhelm when Fallout comes out in April. So cool, that'd be fun. Mark, tell the people where they can find you. Oh, anybody could find me,

[01:16:21] panelist pixels podcast.

[01:16:23] Could find me on any player of choice. I hope Rob's not going to be in there to talk shit about it. No, no. Believe it or not. I liked it the first time I saw it. I wasn't thrilled about it the second time I saw it and then years, years, years, years, later pass. And then I saw it for the podcast and I was like, I can't believe I really liked this movie so much.

[01:17:41] Oh boy, this is going to be a fun.

[01:17:46] Because I'm going to defend it.

[01:17:48] Oh, I can't. So last but not, oh, that's a revisited pod.com is where you can find that. And last but not least, if you're a podcaster, a listener, be sure to check, even if you're a Will Home listener, check out all the great stuff over at podcast.gahpodcast.com. There's so much going on over there. They just started covering a squid game, which the show has been over,

[01:19:03] but they're doing the coverage of that now.

[01:19:05] Jason and Lucy are into the rewatch of the Walking Dead.