WILHELM WATCH / HOUSE PODCASTICA - Monarch: Legacy of Monsters S01E03 "Secrets and Lies"

[00:00:00] Oh I actually stopped at episode three rewatched again and did my notes and that's about it So I have not furthered past episode three everybody Okay, good. Yeah, cuz I know that's where you were at before and then this time I I stuck with it as well. You know, we have up to Apple TV is granted us up to episode eight

[00:01:41] So far of the ten episodes. They're giving us nine and ten over the next week or two

[00:02:42] kind of

[00:02:44] audibly squeal

[00:02:51] Because they play into one of the theories that I came up with last episode when we covered episodes one and two Oh, yes, and it's more apparent than any yeah. Yeah. Well, we will get to that in a moment though

[00:02:59] But before we continue I have to extend an apology

[00:03:02] The Wilhelm the feedback at Wilhelm podcast email for some reason got frozen that. But of course, our joint friend Steve, Steve Brown sent us two voicemails last week, one for episode one and episode two. So let's start with those. And this first one comes from Steve Brown on Monarch episode one. Hello, good and Mark. This is Steve and this is going to be for Monarch season one episode

[00:04:21] one. See how this goes.

[00:04:23] A Skull Island 1973. So we're I don't remember what that mean, what that acronym stands for, the N-U-T-O. Okay, come on, show. The subtitles keep calling Wyatt Russell's character the associate. We know who he is, calling people who have a vinyl, listen with their heart and not their ears. Ha ha ha ha. So she does speak Japanese.

[00:05:40] Did her father die, or did he just go off

[00:05:42] to do some Monarch crap?

[00:05:44] If they never found a wreckage,

[00:05:44] that means he could be alive, not dead. I actually have to go to it because massive unidentified terrestrial organism. Yeah, it's so funny. I have to constantly go back to it because it's not something in my regular vocabulary. It's not something I'm going to say all the time. Well, and it's also like you being the big. And they're not certain about certain things. They're like, wait, they had a directive company, very much like Muto or Monarch at this point in T't alone. That's a rough car accident right there. Did they find Kate and how come they haven't found this girl? What's your name, the hacker girl? Okay, so he's leaving them, but where's Billy? Wouldn't he have a vehicle somewhere also? A massive, unidentified terrestrial organism, usual. He got it. I'm going to lead to their father who has the double family

[00:09:42] and is a monarch guy.

[00:09:43] Okay, so they did find them all.

[00:09:44] Okay.

[00:09:46] There's only 15 minutes left in this episode, I wonder which one will be playing the future and which one will be playing the past. Did you really have to question that? Yeah, really. Pretty short, why it was gonna be playing the younger. That was never a doubt in my mind. Same here. Yeah, which one was gonna be playing that? But we do have one more voicemail and that one comes from Sam from Boston.

[00:11:04] This one's a little bit longer,

[00:11:05] but we're gonna play it just because we love the feedback.

[00:11:08] So here we go. The actors, like, I really, I mean, the character of May, Cearcy Clemens, she steals every scene for me. She's such a talented actress, so much charisma. Contaro's mom is rockstar. I love her. I want more of her than the disembodied voice of Kate's mom. That seems to be floating around to fill in time and space.

[00:12:20] And it's like it's doing a little bit of the fear

[00:12:21] of the Walking Dead of say it, not show it.

[00:12:24] It's like, OK, we're hearing her process at OK, cool, cool,

[00:12:26] cool.

[00:12:27] And I'm like well, maybe he's just maybe this you'll leak and provide her coverage because there's monsters probably down there But then these are the really funny line that made me laugh Where where Billy's like who's who look like down there and Lee says the same as it looked up there but closer

[00:13:43] And so it's like and okay, well, Hiroshi was a monarch asset, so we're gonna follow her, and this is when her flight is leaving or something. But then they go to Hiroshi's apartment, which again, makes sense if he's a monarch asset, and then they're talking to him, but then he looks surprised to see Hiroshi's picture. I was like, what is happening right now?

[00:15:00] How did you, what, how did you find these people?

[00:15:04] And so like, that is never really addressed, because it's just real clunky right now and weird to watch. So I look forward to the podcast. I'm not all grumpy about it. I do have hope that it will get better. Sorry for the really long message. Thank you, Sam, for that. I did message Sam back to let her know about the accidental missing of it

[00:16:20] and that it was going to get played on this episode.

[00:16:23] So hopefully she keeps that, yeah, keep that feedback coming over the course of the series as we cover it so we can hear your thoughts and whether or not it changes. As for, I did write down one thing she said about Lee going down with K instead of covering her from the top. I think

[00:17:41] that plays a little bit into something I voicemails, that it's kind of tough sometimes to keep track, so I've actually started making notes anytime they mention a year and location. Yeah, same as much as I did for the past two episodes

[00:19:02] that we covered last time.

[00:19:04] Yeah, because I kind of want to just kind of build out keep your thoughts of what happened within those movies and people that were involved within those movies too because there is one key particular character that is mentioned within this episode that we're going to discuss. Oh, I must have missed that. So I'm going to leave that to you when we get to that point.

[00:20:23] Okay.

[00:20:24] But yeah, real quick.

[00:20:25] I want to say.

[00:20:26] Good. getting is a cent can tarot Kate amber are actually full on in and they realize that these things do exist and they get amber is can tarot's ex girlfriend slash yeah media you mean may amber who who is amber all right something about the beginning credit scene. Now, we never really talked about that. And that's something that is really important to me. A lot of people kind of oversee this stuff. And we haven't talked about it because we kind of breezed over with the first two episodes. We kind of went in, jumped into the story, jumped into

[00:23:01] the idea of what we're going to talk about within this show.

[00:24:06] other dangle at some point and it falls from the other pictures. Mind you, the rest with Kate are still solid, which is very interesting. I kind of tried to analyze everything that

[00:24:16] was going on within it in the very beginning. Godzilla's footprint shows up to San Francisco the dual prop plane, which is the plane that they take to Alaska. And then the single, the jet could be the monarch jet that we saw that agent come out of at one point during the episode. And the last image that we do get is of two images of Godzilla side by side, one on the

[00:25:40] left side, San Francisco, and then on the really see any differences in those images between episodes one, two, and three. It looks like it's all the same. Oh, yeah. But you're right, there is a lot of stuff to analyze in that because it is all split screen.

[00:27:00] So it's almost, it has multiple meanings

[00:27:03] other than just all the fact that this episode really, like, it kicks off pretty much right from the beginning. We leave off right from where the episode two ended with all of them with Kate and Kate and...

[00:28:21] See, now I almost called in solitary can find it. He just says, he does know. The car. Yeah, he does know some things. Yeah, he just, he's still just a little kind on on some other things. That is true. Yeah, I love that aspect of this, the fact of time and then how he's been

[00:29:40] incarcerated all this time and the younglings, as I like to call them, younglings

[00:30:45] it off possibly nobody could start it but him. But regardless, it's still in a bunch of buttons. Yeah. All right. Let's move on.

[00:30:50] Yes. Um, two lines of dialogue that are mentioned in this episode. One of the

[00:30:58] make sure I brought this up because we did have a couple of different theories

[00:31:01] that came up last week. And one was this particular episode. So yeah, they were in the plane at that point. But I did like that because they asked like, oh, when was Monarch started? And he said, oh, I don't know, sometime around like the late 1940s. And she's like, oh, well, wouldn't that make you around 90?

[00:32:21] And he's like, what can I say?

[00:32:22] I've got good genes.

[00:32:23] And I'm like, this place right into our theory that he, well too, by the way, if you just I don't know if you caught it, but I caught it. No, I dive into that a little bit. All right. There's a moment about when the government starts coming in, Lee gets them involved and Lee winds up getting the grant, like literally just an open check

[00:34:48] He states that divulging a secret H-bomb explosion will result into a treason and can cover it up.

[00:34:49] He states because they electrocuted the of Rosenbergs.

[00:34:55] I have a little bit more about the Rosenbergs, but the conversation with Keiko and Bill and

[00:35:00] Lee at this point is pretty much interesting in of knows that he is, when it comes to him and

[00:36:21] Keiko or Kiko, I mean, because this is, as you kind of made mention of last week as well, this is the beginning of monarch. These are, I mean, technically Bill and Keko are the two that started monarch, but Lee

[00:37:40] is just as much involved now at this point. in the plane saying to the kids that it was the late 40s, meaning that it was more bill that had started it for the fact that him as being a crypto zoologist and him being involved with that started that kind of wave or including Kego fantastic. But yeah, you have, you know, now we're getting the US government involved. And this is actually the first time because when Lee introduces himself to General Puckett, well, we've already met General Puckett in the first episode. But yes to unearth it and then bring it to your headquarters, which is in the United States. So you did have some kind of funding, but they needed the funding.

[00:41:40] Actually, I think I want to correct myself a little bit.

[00:41:44] The connection to the government was not for funding initially. the states to him is that it's a basically a global threat. So that's their way of trying to get their uranium, but Keiko doesn't see it that way. Even Bill the movies, but it shows up where you do see that 8 millimeter footage of the actual spines itself of Godzilla in the sea.

[00:44:20] Oh, I didn't, it's 1954. Godzilla blows it up.

[00:45:40] But I just love that whole painting of the monster on the bomb, and they do the circle

[00:45:45] with the slash through it, just like a ghostbuster sign.

[00:45:48] Yeah. and the mushroom cloud is going to stick around for a while. But, and we do see that Keiko was pretty much, she looks up and she is looking out at the island as to where the bomb was and Godzilla came up. I'm assuming, I'm a guess we're just led to believe that Godzilla escaped because we don't see it.

[00:47:04] But it had to have been relatively quick.

[00:48:02] They're going to discover that nothing is there.

[00:48:09] But maybe, maybe because of the heavy radiation, it is just a place they can't go to yet.

[00:48:15] So when we're seeing Lee telling them about the blank check, it's still a waiting period before they can get back there.

[00:48:17] Yes.

[00:48:18] Because I would think even a scientist, like even if they couldn't study Godzilla

[00:48:21] alive, they would still go to find remnants of Godzilla to study in hopes that any little thing and all this other stuff. Yeah, I know. We digressed. I mean, unless is there a potential that there was more than one Godzilla? It's a possibility. I don't think so. I think this is... I think that was actually... Well, hold on, hold on. All right.

[00:49:40] All right.

[00:49:41] Just to explore that.

[00:49:42] Let's explore it just a little bit.

[00:49:44] All right.

[00:49:45] So in Kong Skull Island, what did we learn?

[00:49:47] There were other Kongs.

[00:49:48] Yes. He spoke and you could speak to him. Your first question would be, whoa, do you lift, bro? Yeah. No, that's totally ridiculous. Ah. No, but that's what I'm thinking. I'm like, I'm thinking these are things that have consequences to this. Yeah. And that bomb is what is the reason why Godzilla is as large as he is, or it could just be progression because it is about 30 years.

[00:51:02] I have more than that, 30, 40 plus years.

[00:51:05] God, well, hold on, I mean, it's. I don't think this is a different Godzilla. There's a possibility it could have been. And they actually did kill whoever that was.

[00:52:20] Yeah.

[00:52:21] That wasn't Godzilla.

[00:52:22] That was a sibling of Godzilla.

[00:52:25] Um, but I don't know.

[00:52:26] I think it's really Tim. Well, you also thought May was Amber. Exactly. So yeah, I had to look it up, but I actually, you know, I did this

[00:53:42] before actually when I was creating my notes because as I was watching this of the monsters where Serazawa actually kind of sacrificed himself in giving or getting the radiation to Godzilla and the not hollow earth but down in the depths of where an ancient land is. Like an ancient kingdom.

[00:55:00] Correct.

[00:55:01] Like Atlantis.

[00:55:02] Yeah.

[00:55:03] Yeah.

[00:55:04] Which, yeah, I mean, which King of the Monsters, we know that he is very much on the side of the Titans. He wants the Titans to survive. He knows that this is their planet. He is on the side to protect the Titans.

[00:56:20] So it almost makes me think that possibly that call came from Sarazawa himself. because his higher up says to Tim saying, our mission is more important than your mission. And literally Tim has his own mission, which is literally to take care of these titans, take care of everything else.

[00:57:40] And I find it funny that the French agent,

[00:57:43] like, hold on.

[00:57:45] It's like, certain little conspiracy theories. Maybe Lee had a child and maybe it was Tim. But I seemed that there's always units within Monarch that are working against each other. There are two different sides of Monarch that have two different objectives. Got from what this show... Independent based, I think. Exactly. And by the end, or at least by present day, our present day, has finally realized what it's meant to be. And that is for the help and the protection of

[01:01:40] not just the Titans and the human race, but a coexistence between the two. Season Sarah's out. Yeah, I look forward to seeing Sarah's out towards the end of this season. I Hope we get a cat. I hope we get a Ken wanton to be cameo same here Yeah, I would love to see him pop up a Sarah's out again I would love to see a couple familiar faces. Yeah show up and and I'm almost curious

[01:03:03] because

[01:03:05] technically

[01:03:06] well, I reason why this is set three years before King of the Monsters is that it gives them ample opportunity to do multiple seasons. Correct. Before it's caught up to a point in the timeline. So they could do it good to three, four seasons before it gets to that point. I mean, it doesn't have to be linear either.

[01:04:21] Like, the season two could start off right when season one ends. scene. Oh, that would be interesting. I don't know how they could do it, but I feel like the writers, there's a part of me that thinks the writers had to try to find a way to do it. Oh, I'm sure they'll find a way. It's kind of like Godzilla lore. But I mean, but by and again, this is kind of spoilery for the movies, if you haven't

[01:05:42] seen the movies, but we do know that the Hollow Earth exists. right. So there's that there too. So who's to say that people have been involved with creating how earth from for eons all this time in history?

[01:07:05] I'm telling you, I honestly think it's my theory.

[01:08:22] I came up with this last episode and I'm gonna stick with it. a hollow earth. And he wants to get back, but can't. Yeah, something is holding him back. But he knows, no, I think he just can't find his way. I think whatever way he had there before probably closed or collapsed or something, but he knows, Hiroshi knows another way. And he has his Hiroshi's kids. They have the information.

[01:08:25] He's got me. one episode of Jessica Jones. Bruce Beck. Yeah, well, honestly, he, you know, I remember him seeing in that one episode, but he's a character actor and two of them even though there absolutely was and that scene right there just goes. I kind of hope we get a little bit. More of a backstory. I hope so. And how the two of them met. Yeah, because all he says is that I have a friend and then we meet him at the

[01:12:24] customs office and then we see them fly and then unfortunately we see dohose end. Mm-hmm because Lease aging is slowed down. That is true So I don't know I I want to see it. I want to see more of a backstory between those two characters same here I would love to see that as a Within the next two or three episodes Like a backstory or something a mission that they were on

[01:13:42] During monarch in its early years. That'd be great. Yeah. Yeah, I agree

[01:14:48] out on his paperwork from Monarch. So they lead out and they go into that. So Lee actually recognizes Bill Rand is earlier writing with Scribbles, as it were. And they know because

[01:14:59] it's not Alaska. They're heading towards Alaska a swag and she goes it's just water and then she puts it on the on the dashboard of the actual plane and He uses it as pretty much like an altitude Yeah, he uses it as an altimeter and altimeter and it works perfectly so so cunning yeah

[01:17:21] really realize it yet. No, I don't think I did.

[01:17:22] Well, Lee might know.

[01:17:23] Lee might know to some degree,

[01:17:26] but he's not seeing a damn thing.

[01:17:28] Because Lee would know whether or not the child was his,

[01:17:34] whether her she was his or not at this point.

[01:17:37] That is true.

[01:17:38] So if they are related, Lee knows it.

[01:17:42] Yeah, Lee knows it.

[01:17:44] He's just not revealing.

[01:17:47] But that's kind of seems to be the kind of person Well, he he of all people that he's not earning that trust with his guitar. Oh Kate, I think he already has well I would question both actually I think really okay. I I don't think he has Kate yet and I but I think he has actually a little bit more of contours than he does Kate

[01:19:03] Kate doesn't like the fact that she's been drug into this. She just kind of wants to she even says it like I

[01:20:05] Yeah. So because Contaro does dump the bag over the side.

[01:20:06] Yeah. Eventually give in and trust Lee in that decision.

[01:20:10] Yeah. And it's also that little issue with May to, because before we get that

[01:20:19] scene when they dump this stuff over the, the back of the boat at that point,

[01:20:25] now not to go back in time everybody, but they,

[01:21:27] point in the plane that I do like that little quote that I got. She goes, she goes, I'm pissing my pants now.

[01:21:30] Because of these flight work.

[01:21:35] But yeah, I'm with you.

[01:21:37] I think May is definitely hiding something.

[01:21:40] She's being very shady about something.

[01:21:43] You mentioned that her tossing you get into the fourth episode, look at, you know, May as how she is. Yeah, she's a character to definitely keep an eye on. Yeah. So. Yeah, but now that does lead us

[01:23:00] into how this episode wraps up and is they land and saw the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, these shavings and this handwriting in the shelter, Kate now, they all realize that can talk at least

[01:24:20] is possibly alive. Yeah.

[01:24:23] He survived the crash.

[01:25:22] Oh, wait, we got another Titan. We got some sort of Kaju out of this.

[01:25:27] And I thought it was great.

[01:25:29] Now, mind you, it did remind me of a Kaju or a Titan

[01:25:34] that I saw in another movie from 2020,

[01:25:38] which was from Mila Yovovich, Monster Hunter.

[01:25:43] It reminded me of that scene, I was like, wait, I'm like, I think he's inhaling. And then upon second viewing, I was like, yeah, he's inhaling.

[01:27:02] He's not exhaling.

[01:27:04] Cool. the roar, let's see. Okay, Frostmark is a quadripetal creature adorned with layers, angular, dermal armor plates that protrude outwards. These plates cover the entirety of the creature's body, extending from its head to its lengthy tail. Interstitial spaces with the armor are occupied by thick tufts

[01:28:22] of hair. The creature, it breathes in. Wow. It sucks it in. That's pretty well. So I want to see it now. The Godzilla fandom doesn't

[01:29:40] do spoilers. So everything that I just read is what we learned from this episode.

[01:30:45] There's no image, so I don't know where it's from.

[01:30:47] It's just called a Bramblebore.

[01:30:54] Says name and design are personality, history abilities, weaknesses.

[01:30:56] It just says TBA.

[01:30:57] So this is one that we're gonna be seeing eventually

[01:31:04] a Bramblebore, I don't know.

[01:31:06] Maybe it's something that's in the trailer be treason for him, like for Bill to actually relinquish all the information about the day-bom going off. He goes, he references the Rosenbergs. He goes because the electric crude, uh, electrocuted to Rosenbergs. It goes, uh, in June 1953, Julius and the

[01:32:20] Athol Rosenberg were executed for conspiracy to commit espionage under the US Espionage Act of That was the whole point because it's in reference to that timeline and what people thought during that time. Yeah. So Lee was actually trying to say, Hey, shut your mouth. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Keep your mouth shut. I want to end up like these two. Exactly. So, but other than that, yeah, I didn't have any of the notes other than that.

[01:33:43] I only have a few quotes.

[01:33:44] I don't know if you have any.

[01:33:46] Nope.

[01:33:47] Go for it. And then Kaco says us. Which which I kind of predicted that was what she was going to say. Yeah. Du Hoe saying, wow, I'll be a monkey's naked uncle when he sees her. She's camp. I thought it was a cute saying from a character actor, but I'm looking forward.

[01:35:03] I want to see him more.

[01:35:05] I want I want to see that actor as Du Hoe.

[01:36:05] You know letting us know the details from the movies because I probably won't go back and watch them

[01:36:08] like the biggest thing of John Goodman being

[01:36:13] Bill Randa totally I missed it completely. So thank you for that

[01:36:19] You're the one who's left out because the boy in the hacker or want to find out what happened and the colonel Okay, he just said that Hiroshi ran it is more like a son to him than a

[01:37:21] before the cold opens. There's like 30 minutes left,

[01:37:22] so I'm sorry if this goes long.

[01:37:24] I love Kurt Russell.

[01:37:27] I wasn't a solitary confinement, May.

[01:37:29] I know what Google is.

[01:37:31] Pausing back it up so she does admit

[01:37:33] that he should be like 90 years old.

[01:37:34] So you, again, another thing you guys

[01:37:36] might be on the right track with is that he's a slow-ager.

[01:37:39] Lee, I mean, well, no, this conversation with the general.

[01:37:42] They, the general thinks that the A-bomb can kill this thing

[01:38:42] when Steve sounds confused.

[01:38:57] But I am very happy, Steve, that you said that Mark and I are helping you with a lot of things about that and talking out what we did and our theories and bringing the movies into it. So I'm glad that's helping you.

[01:38:59] Yeah.

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