WILHELM WATCH / HOUSE PODCASTICA - Monarch: Legacy of Monsters S01E01 & E02 (Aftermath/Departure)

[00:00:00] Oh them in case we need to, which is nice. Yeah. So I'm excited for this, Mark. Are you excited for this? I'm extremely excited for this, for the fact that I'm a huge Godzilla fan or Toho fan and Legendary has pursued and continued on with their monster verse with this particular

[00:01:41] series, which is Monarch Legacy of Monsters.

[00:01:45] So I've been looking forward to this for a long while.

[00:02:48] that because I know how big of a Toho fan you are and Godzilla. And I know this is releasing on two different RSS feeds. So you'll be hearing this if you're if you're a subscriber to Wilhelm,

[00:02:53] you can hear it there. If you're a subscriber to House Podcastica, you will be hearing it there as

[00:02:58] well. So welcome to both sides of the RSS feeds. I almost started calling this when podcasts collide

[00:04:06] figured, why not? So now welcome, as I mentioned, welcome if you're a listener of House Pod Casica, welcome if you're a listener of Wilhelm welcome. And yeah, that's I just wanted to

[00:04:13] make mention of that as well. Welcome, welcome, welcome everybody.

[00:04:16] Yeah, if you are a House Pod Casica listener, the format's going to be a little different

[00:04:23] for you guys, you know, ordinarily when you hear anything to do it, please just do it. It's fun to hear from everybody. I love that. If you feel like you're afraid to do it, just do it. Just do it. Yeah. Because I know that feeling, I know that feeling because I feel sometimes when I send feedback that I'm like, do I sound like a goof?

[00:05:40] Do I sound like an idiot?

[00:05:42] I'm just gonna do it anyway, just do it.

[00:05:45] Yeah.

[00:05:46] I feel almost a little hypocritical asking for people, They both released on the same day, so we're going to just cover both episodes right away right from the start because they do kind of tie together. They do. And I think that's the reason why they actually release both episodes together for the fact that there's a lot of information within the first two episodes that you have to digest in order

[00:07:01] to get into the third one, which hasn't even been released yet on Apple TV+.

[00:08:02] We meet a couple characters with the last name, Randy, in this episode.

[00:08:03] Oh, yes, we do.

[00:08:05] But apparently it's a legacy of the family as well.

[00:08:09] And we do get to figure that one out

[00:08:11] and see that and love it.

[00:08:13] And we get to get the history of the family too

[00:08:18] within Monarch, which is amazing.

[00:08:21] And yeah.

[00:08:23] Yeah, I mean, it was great.

[00:08:25] That's one of the of characters that have actually made it throughout these movies. But, yeah, seeing John Goodman from the start was a great way to kind of, to anybody who's seen the movies

[00:09:42] before Skull Island in particular,

[00:09:45] to kind of automatically have something familiar he's crazy. Oh, yeah, I, oh, God, it's yeah, I know. It's I know. So I'm trying to remember. He was in step brothers. It's Oh, I john C. Riley. There you go. Yeah. I know I threw a

[00:11:00] name at a movie name. No, I had his face in my head. And I know

[00:11:05] what the why Talladega nights, one which is the spider Titan, which we all know as Kamanga, who appeared in in this world of legendary and how they created monarch these are on identified on identified terrestrial. Huge creatures so it's it's pretty cool in the sense that they actually were able to incorporate some of those.

[00:14:45] actually is a Godzilla movie. It is technically quote unquote a Godzilla movie for the fact that Sony Tristar had put that out there and they had licensing so

[00:14:52] yeah but for those of you that really want to see Geno Zen just go watch final

[00:14:57] wars from 2004 he's such a tuna head. Who's Geno? Geno Godzilla and name only. with Keiko, you see him with Lee back in the 60s. And then I didn't put two and two together, even though they're both using that eight millimeter camera, they're both filmmakers. It wasn't until towards the end of the second episode

[00:16:20] when you finally see Kurt Russell as Lee.

[00:16:23] When he mentions like, oh, like that was my,

[00:16:26] when they say like, oh, I'm like, okay, that's an interesting connection to make. And then once I made the connection that bill in the 60s was bill from 13 years later on Skull Island, I was like, well, wait a minute.

[00:17:41] Now this makes things more interesting.

[00:17:44] It does.

[00:17:44] Yeah.

[00:17:45] Because as you mentioned, now it's that's the legacy there.

[00:17:49] Yes. with Kaiju during that time as well. Yeah, it's interesting too because there are a lot of different time periods being covered. You mentioned the flashbacks. There's a lot of different time periods being covered in this. Back in the early 60s where there are the mid, but I think this is what the lead up is in a sense of giving more monarch. Godzilla X-Con, is that the sequel to Godzilla versus Kong? Correct. Okay, cause I thought I had a different name to it and I can't remember what it was.

[00:20:20] They're probably gonna change it yet again

[00:20:22] because Marvel does the same thing as well.

[00:20:24] So, those kind of like stand in titles originally was Sony years ago when you mentioned, yeah, God's all 98. But they, they, they are continuing that work and they see that this is making money in comparison to what we got 98 originally there was supposed to be three films of Godzilla.

[00:21:40] After 1990, you're just gonna keep putting down 98, aren't you?

[00:21:43] Like, I'm not gonna put it down.

[00:22:48] And that's why after 98, they wound up doing Godzilla 2000 and still doing and continue to do movies.

[00:22:54] Now, we're on the cusp of this of Mona coming out.

[00:22:59] We do have a new Godzilla film coming out at the end of the month called minus one. It's already premiered in Japan and is being heralded as one of the top grossing

[00:23:05] Godzilla films that came out.

[00:24:10] was very much important to the story as well because in Toho they have what's called infant island or a monster island but in this world it's called Como Island. So that's where a lot of the

[00:24:20] monsters tend to gather. So and then from the analyze some of the things that are happening, like the fact that the battleship that sunk in Pearl Harbor is 5,000 miles from where it sunk. Correct. And it has claw marks on it too. Which is basically the other side of the earth.

[00:25:40] Yes. In the middle of nowhere, on dry land, there's the the Hollow Earth theory that comes into play.

[00:26:46] that are hinting at things that have yet to happen in the timeline. They are things that we know about in this universe if you had seen the movies. But at this point in the timeline,

[00:26:53] these are things that have yet to have been discovered there just theories.

[00:26:56] Yeah. And a lot of it is like, hey, we referenced this, go watch the movies.

[00:28:09] is in his name and then meets Kentaro and Kentaro's mother. And they wound up having this whole conversation. Originally, they think of it as a break-in, but they come to

[00:28:16] realize it's like, oh, okay, well, he had a duality. And then Kate has to deal with that

[00:28:21] with her own mother. But we also see within that the issues with Godzilla during that time particular because I had to go back to that scene. Okay, yeah, because I did want to, I actually plan to rewatch those movies because one, they're just great movies. Yeah. And two, I want to be able to kind of look for all these different things that are going to pop up. Because I know the one thing I do remember about 2014 is that those buses in particular,

[00:29:40] the reason why they were full of kids was because

[00:29:43] they were taking them to a place I absolutely understand the PTSD that she is having and on top of that I Up like I really give kudos to the writers for giving us a good idea of what that PTSD feels like Yes, because that's not something any of us have ever had to live no hopefully there's no kaiju out there that well

[00:31:02] We ever have to

[00:31:03] Well, I see this a reflection only in what we could see in America as one

[00:32:05] kind of panic attack to the BTSE that she has. One of the things I really appreciated about this first episode is when, because you're right, we see Kate arriving in Tokyo. It's one of the

[00:32:11] first things that we see post the Skull Island flashback. They do a really, really great job

[00:32:19] of making us feel like giving us a good idea of what it's like to live in this world, post The thing is, is that, you know, our Savior at the very end of that particular film, they always saw it as such. But the thing is that they know that these titans are there and they are, they can cause a tragedy and they could cause chaos in their cities. And people can die from it.

[00:33:40] Yeah. Well, in Godzilla 2014 as well to the, the Mutos were not titans. They were parasites.

[00:33:46] Correct. way here. Exactly. So of course, of any city in the world, they're the ones that are probably going to be the most prepared for, even though those defenses ain't going to do squats. Yeah. On top of that, I wouldn't be put a pest, even if we get a flash forward into San Francisco

[00:35:00] current day or where we're at within this particular Oh, drop it on us, Mark. Okay, so, all right. These are 1970s, so it's quarter inch, which is two track analog audio or quarter inch

[00:36:21] tape, analog tape. and then Monarch got the notification of it. I was a little firm by the two. I was like, wait a minute, this is stuff from the 70s. How is that stuff tracked? How are they going to? Exactly. Well, no, they do explain it though. She does say the woman that got the notification when she goes to that other guy, she says that they were running the content through a decryption website.

[00:37:40] Yeah, it's like a filter.

[00:37:41] It's like a full decryption notification.

[00:37:43] Yeah, yeah.

[00:37:44] It wasn't the information she, they would not have lasted. Yeah, that entire time. Some sort of deterioration.

[00:39:01] On top of that, they were clear-cased

[00:39:02] and things of that nature.

[00:39:04] Well, but here's also the thing though.

[00:39:05] Here's the thing that was the only.

[00:40:22] You make a valid point, you make a valid value.

[00:40:24] So no.

[00:40:26] And she even says I'm audio, not video. Kazakhstan was 1959. No, okay. Yeah, that makes sense because Skull Island was early 70s. Correct. Yeah, so because I think it's been from the time Kiko or Kiko dies to the time we see Bill Randha on Skull Island, I think it's only 13 years. Yeah. So, so 15, yeah, okay, 59 would make sense.

[00:41:40] Yeah, or 14 years.

[00:41:42] If I would have actually wrote these dates down in my notes, one, I would have had more

[00:41:47] notes.

[00:41:48] Two. the monarch's fancy prison. Yeah, saying, shouldn't you be like 90? Well, and you know what? You know, what's weird is I actually thought about that too, because look at the difference in age from Bill 1950s to Bill 1971. And he goes from, he goes from one guy to John Goodman.

[00:43:03] Yeah.

[00:43:03] But yet.

[00:44:06] wonder we have eight episodes left. So there's a lot of story left to tell. Could there be some kind of because think about that. I mean, the fact that these creatures have been around for as long as

[00:44:13] they have, there has to be some explanation as to how these creatures live as long as they do,

[00:44:19] or survive as long as they do. So maybe whatever keeps their longevity could also work on humans No, he's not. But he is Kurt Russell though. This is also true. There has to be some kind of reason. Now I'm thinking about it. I didn't think about it when I watched it, but now that I'm thinking about it, I'm like, there has to be some kind of explanation as to why he only looks that age.

[00:45:41] Yeah.

[00:45:42] Yeah.

[00:45:43] And it was great casting, though, with, yeah, he is Kurt Russell's son. Yeah. He doesn't have Kurt's nuances that he usually does within like John Carpenter films or escape from New York or the thing or anything like that.

[00:48:05] The first thing about that too is, I think you and I had talked about this personally, like outside of podcasting before too, but there was an article that came out not too

[00:48:08] long ago.

[00:48:11] Shortly after the movie, the Christmas Chronicles came out, which Kermit Russell plays Santa

[00:48:15] Claus.

[00:48:16] Oh yeah.

[00:48:17] And he's a brilliant Santa Claus that we're getting into the holiday season now, so I will

[00:48:21] tell you how to do it.

[00:48:22] It's on my watch every year too.

[00:48:25] If you haven't seen the Christmas Chronicles, do yourself a favor and watch it because he he was probably going to retire. And then I heard the announcement that Wyatt Russell was going to be playing the younger version of him in Monarch. And I was like, well, that explains why he's coming back to do that. It makes so much sense. One, it's an opportunity to act in a Godzilla universe. But two, it's an opportunity to do something he has not done in his career. And that's

[00:49:43] work with his son. That is true. And sure, the shit out of that. Same here. Sorry. Sorry, folks, we're getting away for Godzilla there for a minute. Yeah, we are. We're getting away from legacy monsters. Sorry. No, but I mean, to go back to the point, like, yeah, like, I think Wyatt playing the younger version of Lee and Kurt playing the, we call it the present day.

[00:51:01] It's present day for the series.

[00:51:03] It's 2015, so.

[00:51:05] Correct.

[00:52:03] really good at this, but also the character is very mysterious.

[00:52:08] Because Kentaro actually sees it's like, I think Kate was going through her bag on.

[00:52:11] You have multiple passports.

[00:52:13] You have multiple versions of money in here.

[00:52:15] What do you do?

[00:52:16] She's got a bug out bag.

[00:52:17] Yeah.

[00:52:18] Yeah.

[00:52:23] It's wild too, because then Kentaro was involved with her in a relationship to at that point.

[00:52:24] So now you have the Randi kids involved with May.

[00:53:26] Lee get along at the very end with the whole bug out thing and trying to work together. Well, I think it's because Lee just can tell that there's just something about her.

[00:53:34] Yeah.

[00:53:35] Like he has a good...

[00:53:37] It seems like Lee has a good sense about things.

[00:53:40] I also...

[00:53:43] Here's another prediction of mine too. Same here. I think there was a relationship there between either before Bill or maybe even during Bill. I think it was during Bill, meaning that we might see another kid pop up. Well, I mean, I'm not going to say that she has another kid because that would be kind

[00:55:01] of hard to hide from Bill.

[00:55:02] You know, if Lee got her pregnant and then while she was with Bill, that'd be kind of

[00:55:07] hard to hide from Bill. guide, they do have a kid. Yes. But they never talk about it. No, never hear them talk about. Well, no, they, I think that's during I'm I'm pretty sure Well, you're right. We don't see her land Mm-hmm, and we do know that

[00:57:42] Whatever Muto that was that was there the dragon or no the dragon was later

[00:58:46] possibly and found her and was with her for a while. Hmm.

[00:58:48] I mean, it would still make Hiroshi born before that.

[00:58:53] Correct.

[00:58:54] And aged regularly up above Earth.

[00:58:58] Because see now, now the more I think about this,

[00:59:03] I think there's some validity to this because if're going to get to episode five and be like, none of this shit is happening. Yeah. Our theories from episode one are so out the window. This is not Ted Lasso. There's no hollow earth or Kaiju and Ted Lasso.

[01:00:21] I know that.

[01:00:23] Could you imagine King Kong playing soccer next to Jamie Tartt?

[01:01:29] You were probably partying all night and you do speak Japanese. To me, I was like, wow, that is messed up. I also found that too, that she says the reason why she's so fluent in Japanese is

[01:01:36] because it was her secret language with her father. Yeah. It was how her and her father talked

[01:01:43] around her mother. Makes you think of what's her mother really looked like because I don't know, there is. So, Tamalyn Tamita is in the credits, playing a character named Caroline. Tamalyn Tamina for anybody who doesn't know is Kumiko from Crowdy Kid 2. Yep, she is in the cast of this movie,

[01:03:00] although we don't know what episodes she's in.

[01:03:02] She's just listed on IMDB in two episodes.

[01:03:07] Oh no, oh! Makes you think what is his tie into this because he seemed he seemed to know a little bit more into what was going on So I'm curious about that. I'm curious about that too because I I'm trying to get a read on that character Because you can you can see by certain things like keeping her hooded

[01:04:23] Kind of making it seem like they're abducting her it does kind of make them seem like

[01:05:22] Yes, they're under judicial reviewment. So it doesn't take long past this point for them to be a public company.

[01:05:28] So I'm questioning whether or not whoever this man is,

[01:05:32] I think his name is Tim.

[01:05:35] Tim and Duvall are the two characters that you're reviewing or that you're referencing.

[01:05:41] I think they're doing a good job at making us in the audience believe they are villainous,

[01:05:45] but I don't think they're going to kill. I don't think they want to kill them. I think they just want information more than anything. Yeah, and I think they've never experienced, they've never had to do something like this before, so they're kind of going about it the wrong way. Yeah. You know, they really don't have any intention of hurting Kate.

[01:07:02] It just like, it's a lot of misunderstanding of the, they were the creators. They were the creators of monarch. Yeah. And at that time and probably still throughout the history of the timeline, it's been nothing more than just research. Yeah. You know, the guy standing on the bridge after the Godzilla attack with the digital camera

[01:08:21] was just another bill.

[01:08:23] Yep.

[01:08:23] Bill had the eight millimeter.

[01:08:25] This guy had a digital camera.

[01:08:26] Yeah.

[01:08:27] And they were just documenting just getting as much going in episode two. Episode one was very dark and yes, like mysterious and heavy. I did enjoy episode two opening with a little bit of levity in humor to kind of take away from that, even though it did go right back into the dark and mysterious that we had.

[01:09:45] But I do, one of the only,

[01:09:47] I have a couple of little everything that has happened already, but also doesn't screw up what has already been what is yet to come in the future. Very true. But in these two episodes, they're already doing a great job of doing that.

[01:11:02] Yeah. all of mythology is this is something they talk about in God's of the Kingdom of Monsters is that in mythology, these creatures are not named off of mythological creatures. The mythological creatures of mythology are actually named from these creatures. So in essence, that kind of plays

[01:12:20] into it a little bit more in that this mutto If you go back and rewatch episode one, the opening of that episode where they're all in the Jeep, he's wearing that hat. Yeah, I know.

[01:13:42] It's a nice little thing that you would only notice in a rewatch of the series. The score was great. The score was really, really good. And then on top of that, the music for the times that they're in and time periods that they're in. Like 50s. Yeah, the soundtracks that they were using. Yes. I actually wanted to look up who does the score from Monarch?

[01:15:04] Cause I'm a big fan of scores of music.

[01:16:22] See if I look up Oh, that's why, because he is not the lead. Composer. I don't know, but it does say he probably put it on there too, because it's like music from different decades. You ever notice any time there's a movie that's set in the 70s that has something to do with military choppers, Credence Clearwater Revival is always on the soundtrack. Oh, yeah. Always on the soundtrack. Like platoon or forest or forest gump.

[01:17:43] Oh, yeah.

[01:18:44] as well, too, from the episode, too, which would be his interrogation from his superior. And he got into that bar fight.

[01:18:49] But basically it was him trying to take care of somebody. And he

[01:18:52] goes sometimes the fight picks you, sir.

[01:18:56] Yep, I remember that line. Yep.

[01:19:00] And it's in that same conversation that he tells that general to

[01:19:03] like, you know, like, I wonder what your father would think.

[01:19:05] He's like, well, let's sober what happens when we talk about this stuff.

[01:20:22] Is Lee, did Lee disappear somewhere? on Facebook to do that. Or if you want to email it to us directly and either an email or a voicemail, which we will play on the podcast if you do that as well. Easiest way to do that. Instead of giving you two different emails, we're just gonna use one. So we'll use feedback at willhelmpodcast.com and send us that. We do have one piece of feedback so far

[01:21:42] for these opening two episodes and that comes

[01:21:46] from our friend Derek O'Neill. every Friday, but for the Thanksgiving holiday, they're releasing a little early. So episode three will be out within a matter of days of hearing this will be out on Wednesday. That is the 26th step. No, 22nd Wednesday. The 22nd is when episode three releases, but we are still not going to release our coverage of episode three until Monday, the 27th.

[01:23:03] So you have extra time to continuing on with this saga.

[01:24:23] Yeah. I'm wholeheartedly right there with you. I'm looking forward to continuing the wrap things up. Why don't you kick it off and tell people where they can find some of your other projects and where to go? Well, it's very easy. You could find me and hear me on a journal and cinema podcast. And you could find that on facebook.com forward slash journal and cinema podcast. The last episode that you just received will probably be total recall with Jason Kabasya himself

[01:25:45] from podcast.

[01:25:46] Nice. Everything is linked. Follow that. And you can hear me on fantasy pegs movie edition as well with my friend Rob as we cover our top five movies or how we would actually fan cast or change a movie that did poorly in the cinemas. Well, that's interesting.

[01:27:01] So we do that on that in his particular podcast.

[01:27:05] So I'm on there quite often.

[01:27:06] It's fun to do.

[01:27:08] So I highly recommend that. I know Jason and Lucie are in the middle of their The Walking Dead rewatch they have just started rewatching the series Penny is doing the Buffy cast in which they're rewatching select episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer We mentioned Paken Daphne. They're doing run for your lives with all their month Although I think they're on break right now, but their season is about to kick off. I'm not sure where they're coming back into

[01:28:25] You've got Paken Rema doing strange indeed in which they're covering great British Bake Off at the time with Peter Cullen, Kristi Swanson, Anson Mound, Greg Nicotero, like a bunch of panels that's gonna be coming out over the course. And on Thanksgiving Day, this year, 2023, November 23rd, it is the 60th anniversary of Doctor Who. So Thanksgiving morning, we are releasing our celebration

[01:29:44] to Doctor Who, the 60th anniversary special on Wilhelm, I think that's everything. And it's amazing everybody. You got to go check out Revisited. It's fun. Thank you. It's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun. I think that's it. That is it. I think that's it. So, yeah. So as we mentioned next episode of Monarch is season one,

[01:31:04] episode three,

[01:31:06] titled Secrets and Lies. Well, we again, we talked about this at the top. We have these. They're more to help us with the podcast. Are recording? Yeah. We didn't get them to watch the head. We got them so that if for some reason, scheduling got wise, like if Jason comes on and the only time we can do it is before the episode actually airs,

[01:32:20] well, we have the episode to watch it.

[01:32:23] Just in case.

[01:32:24] So we can do, we can watch it before it airs

[01:32:26] so we can actually record on it.

[01:32:27] That's the reason why we have it.