SPOTLIGHT - Pete Mitchell (No More Kings)

[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Episode 3 What's going on, everybody? Welcome to another episode of Wilhelm. I know I've been away for a little bit.

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I've been breaking for the summer to get some stuff done, make some adjustments to the show, you know, but I'm so excited to finally be bringing you new episodes of the podcast.

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is a little bit of a teaser for the new season. The new season starts up in September. After I return from Colorado Springs Comic Con, which is coming up, I am going to be in full production of new episodes.

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But I did get something a little bit early to kind of wet your palate for the new season that is coming.

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is another Wilhelm Spotlight. It is the return of my friend Pete Mitchell from the band No More Kings. Now, if you've been a listener of Wilhelm for a while, you know Pete.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_00]: He's been on three or four times already. I believe this is either for Pete or five Pete. I think we say four Pete during the conversation.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It just sounded more fun to say four Pete rather than five Pete, considering his name is Pete. But anyway, this is the fourth or fifth time Pete has been on the podcast.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_00]: He's got new music he's releasing. No More Kings is back together and they are releasing new music. And it is a Back to the Future themed album.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Anybody who knows me knows how excited I am about this and how excited I am to talk to Pete about it. So Pete came back on. We geeked out over some stuff as we usually do.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about the new music. We talked about the solo stuff. We talked about a lot, as we always do. And I'm sure this will not be the last time Pete will be on on Wilhelm.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_00]: He'll be back on. I have no doubts he'll be back on again, most likely for a top five. But speaking of top five, as I mentioned, new episodes coming in September, more top fives, more celebrity conversations, more film reviews, more film debates.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_00]: We've got some new types of episodes I'm planning and I'm working on that we're going to be dropping as well. I've got more.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I've got a ton of panel audio that I'm going to be dropping your way, including with people like Ross Mark Kwan, Greg Nicotero, Vicki Lawrence, Marty Grabstein.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_00]: We have a ton of panel audio, not to mention some really, really big panels that are going to be happening over the course of the year that I'll be bringing you those as well.

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[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, so before we get into the interview with Pete, we're going to play you one of those new songs off to the back of the off the back to the future themed album.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Aptly titled No More Kings Back. You know, and I'm so excited for this album. This first song you're going to be hearing is called 1.21 gigawatts.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It is the first single off the new album. But stick around to the end of the conversation with Pete because we're going to play another one of those singles that one called hoverboard.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So make sure you listen up for all of Pete's links as well at the end where you can go to follow Pete and No More Kings and hear the rest of the album,

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_00]: as well as all of the other great No More Kings music, all of the other great music that Pete has done, you know, himself solo with more stuff coming on the way.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Special thank you to Pete for coming on. It was a little bit a little bit of a juggle getting us to schedule it, but we did it and it happened.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_00]: So there's that. Yeah, so here it is. 1.21 gigawatts, followed by my conversation with my friend from No More Kings, Pete Mitchell.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_03]: It's enough to get this party started.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_03]: 1.21 gigawatts sounds like a lot. 1.21 gigawatts sounds like a lot, but it's not.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so hard to leave when you can't see the ground.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_03]: But time is running out.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_03]: 1.21 gigawatts. You got me doing well. 1.21 gigawatts. Every time we get around. 1.21 gigawatts sounds like a lot. 1.21 gigawatts sounds like a lot, but it's not.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I might risk it all, but I got time on my side.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's gonna break my fall. I'm at the controls and I feel fine.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_03]: The future's mine to define. And I will ride on time.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_03]: 1.21 gigawatts. Say what?

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_03]: 1.21 gigawatts. You got me doing well. 1.21 gigawatts. Every time we get around. 1.21 gigawatts sounds like a lot. 1.21 gigawatts sounds like a lot, but it's not.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_02]: 1.21 gigawatts. Say what?

[00:07:07] 1.21 gigawatts. You got me doing well. 1.21 gigawatts. Every time we get around. 1.21 gigawatts sounds like a lot, but it's not.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little different this time, obviously, because we were just talking about this before we started recording. The studio setup's a little bit different. The recording method's a little bit different.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I do the intros beforehand now instead of doing these one, two minute long intros to bring you in. But now we just get to sit and talk, which is good.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_00]: That is nice, through the magic of editing.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So it's been a little bit. I think we were saying maybe like three years since the last time I had you on. And I think you're going on, I think this might be for Pete now. Not to Pete your name, but I think the fourth time you've come on.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So I don't know. It's funny that you're, I didn't even think about it after I said it about Pete.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_00]: For Pete, for Pete.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_00]: For Pete, for Pete. Yeah.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going for five so I can be part of the five timers club.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So you're in, I know when we were communicating and such, you said you were in Colorado. Are you still living in Vegas or are you living in Colorado now?

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I live in Colorado now. I moved here.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Nice.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, probably pretty soon after our last talk, honestly.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Whereabouts in Colorado are you at?

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I live in Fort Collins, which is about an hour north of Denver. And it's just such a cute little town.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Downtown Fort Collins is actually the town that they modeled downtown Disneyland after or main street Disneyland after.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It's that cute like brick like old, not West style but kind of like early, you know?

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, it's, I've, I've been to Colorado a number of times. My sister used to live in, oh now I can't remember the name of the city, but she was about an hour outside of Denver as well and I can't remember.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she was west of Denver.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_00]: But I loved it. Anytime I went out there.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Gorgeous, yeah.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Colorado is beautiful and I'm actually going to be out there. I'm going to be in Colorado Springs not this coming weekend but next weekend.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh wow.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Working a show.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be working Colorado Springs Comic Con in, yeah, not this weekend but next weekend.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_00]: How cool.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So looking forward to that.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: But let's, so I want to, I want to kick off with this. So again, it's been a couple of years since you know we've had these, this conversation.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have anything prepped for this because you and I, you and I always have great conversation. So I was like, I'm not even going to bother like we have the stuff we want to bring up obviously but you know we'll get to it over the course of the conversation.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_00]: But I figured like, I thought about it and I was like, hmm, if he really wanted to be on the podcast again that bad. He didn't have to design an album based off of my favorite trilogy of all time.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_01]: The only way to get your attention.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so I'm excited because you and I met from with your work through no more Kings.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you, you did your solo work for a little while we remained friends over the course of time and now you're back and no more Kings is doing more work how did that come about.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Man. So first of all I just want to say how excited I am for that because I really thought.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know I didn't think it was the end because I knew eventually I'd want to hop back into that, but it just seemed like the opportunities were getting smaller and smaller the window was getting smaller smaller for me to get back to making no more Kings music.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Because no more Kings. It's a very specific sound it's a very specific thing it's very different than what I do solo and solo music obviously by the nature of the word I can make on my own, mostly, you know I can hire musicians to help me but, but no more Kings really was one of those things that it birthed from my work with my, my writing partner Neil, and he just was so busy with with doing his band with his wife Dirk poor Robbins that he just, he just didn't have any time.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I started working with Neil's brother Adam on a project he has called the Adam music project and I don't know if you've heard any of that stuff but we've done four songs together now.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And his stuff is all about classic video game characters so we did a song okay man we did a song about dig dug we just did a it's crazy stuff. He did a song about Midas from from fortnight like he's got some modern characters as well modern songs as well not just but anyway, so through that he was talking about how he was sad that his brother Adam

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: his brother wasn't able to do this with me and, and then I shared with him the idea for the back to the future album.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, Oh my gosh we have to do that. And so he just decided to produce it with me. And I'm so, so excited with the results we were really worried that we weren't going to be able to match that the level that what we had with you know the first three no more Kings

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_01]: albums but I think I think we hit it.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So far I mean you've got three songs that are out already. You know you've got one point 21 gigawatts which was the first single that you guys released from the new album hoverboard which is next and then you just released Calvin Klein, which all three songs are fantastic

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: like they really hit that no more Kings vibe which is, you know, one of the things I've always loved the band for.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember like, because I follow you on obviously on Facebook and social media I follow no more Kings on social media and then I remember the first time you guys posted anything about one point 21 gigawatts I was like, I was like wait what I, I definitely know that reference but this is cool, because they had, you know like you guys have always been great with incorporating the pop culture.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, references into the music obviously that the big thing that got a lot of people's attention from the first album was sweep the leg from, you know karate kid, which is still a Cobra Kai going into its final season right now.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And you guys still aren't on the soundtrack of the show which kind of makes me mad.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a little. I mean you've had I mean you've had Zabka macho and Cove in the music video and somehow you're still not part of this.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_00]: You know but you know now it's like oh that's great they got a new album coming out there's going to be a back to the future song on it. And then you release hoverboard is like, okay, wait a minute this whole album going to be back to the future.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Calvin Klein's come out like yeah okay.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So we, that's, we don't Yeah, thank you for saying that because I think I don't know that everybody is. I never intended to do it to do a full back to the future album at first it was just going to be one point 21 gigawatts.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I wrote that I actually wrote the hook to that probably, you know, eight years ago.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, there's something about once we once I started working on it once I got my teeth, you know into it. I just couldn't stop I couldn't stop thinking of different angles, you know different characters to write about there's a song about Biff talking to his younger self

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_01]: about the gray sports almanac there's a song about, you know, getting Doc Brown out of that old west town, getting them back home so there's, you know, once you once you dig into a trilogy like that you realize there's all this great material that's worth writing songs about

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's weird because I, you know, I was afraid at first back in back in the no more back in the sweep the lake days. I was afraid of becoming a novelty band I was afraid to becoming one of those bands that just had a gimmick, and I didn't want to do that you know, and now I kind of don't care, like I just want to write.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to write things that are fun for me to write about. Yeah, I mean if, if the music is fun, and people like listening to it and like you said more importantly you guys are having fun creating the content creating the music.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's really all that that matters. I mean there's, you know, it's the same thing with actors you have people who are worried about becoming like typecasts. And I get the fear of being typecast as a band as well. Right.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know but the longtime fans that people that have stuck with no more kings and still continue to be fans even though even when you weren't producing new stuff.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we're the people that just love this little niche that you guys do. And again as I would have been down for a new album no matter what it was I mean, I, I have a not going to use the word hate because it's too strong.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_00]: But I have a very strong dislike for the Twilight franchise. Yes, you guys could have made a Twilight album, and I don't would have listed there. Don't you dare tempt me.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_00]: No, please don't.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I could watch all three four how many other now. I don't care. Yeah, I don't think I can watch them all deep enough to get the inspiration. But you, you know, with with this new album.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't what's the title of the album going to be do you have the back for the album so it's nmk back. Oh, nice. The pun there is the idea that we've been gone for a long time so we are literally back to making music, and then also back to the future so how

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: many tracks is the album going to have. It's a seven, I think, and do you have a date for full release for the album. I don't but it's next month. Oh nice. Yeah. So it's pretty soon. We didn't want to do so many singles for an album that's not even, you know, 10 tracks but it's

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: it's the only way to really do it with Spotify these days if you want to get.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: If you even want to stand a chance of hitting one of their editorial playlists you have to pitch as many singles as you can from it. Well, I mean, and that's the I'm glad that you brought that up because that was something I was going to make mention to you've been releasing these

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_01]: three singles and one of them actually did make the charts. Yes, we were blown away because like, that's never happened to me, you know, this is our fourth album and that's that's never happened to me.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And the weird thing is it just happened like a month earlier with the Pac Man song. So like, for some weird reason, Spotify's funk rock playlist really likes what Adam and I are doing together. Yeah, and it was a hoverboard that made hoverboard.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. Yeah, yeah.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_00]: There's one.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_00]: One of the things I love about you guys with no more kings whether it's like, you know, or just the songwriting in general is there are some lines of dialogue that sometimes just hit so well, whether they're, they're powerful, or they just make you laugh.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember the first time I looked because I've listened to Calvin Klein a number of times already. And as I do any no more king song.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's one line in that song about like, I can't make out with you because it will ruin. And I just remember the first time I heard that line I was like, they seriously put that in there.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: That is amazing. So it's funny to mention that one because I went I went back and forth, I had, I had like four different variations of that one of them was, if we suck face, it could erase our whole timeline.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, Ah, that's funny. But it's too crass. Yeah, I went with make out because I felt it was a little softer.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm, it's, I love the fact that you, you've touched on your tapping into Back to the Future because as I said jokingly like, you know, if you wanted to make an album about my favorite trilogy of all time trilogy of all time, but that really is the truth that is a trilogy that has been with me my entire life.

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_00]: There are people that, you know, say what their holy trilogy is many people go to Star Wars and the original trilogy Lord of the Rings.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Not the Twilight trilogy or however movies there are. Back to the Future has always been mine and like so much so that like I have a whole collection.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a like a Pepsi Perfect replica. I have framed the newspaper from when Marty was arrested or Marty Jr. was arrested because USA Today on that day actually made a cover sheet.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh. So you and it was hard to find and one I found when I was like, Yeah, that's getting framed. Oh, that's a while.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And even more so than I have a comic book, like it's a blank cover. It's one of the, it's an issue number one Back to the Future comic book with a blank white cover signed by Bob Gale when I met and interviewed Bob Gale.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh wow.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So this is like it is a trilogy that is very meaningful to me. So I'm you know, but you know when you have a trilogy like that and it's something that means so much to you and you've been fan of for so long, you can be very critical about anybody who ever does anything that pays tribute.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Like all the times I hear like oh Back to the Future 4 I'm like nope not gonna happen. Stop it. Right. Like shut it down.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I asked Bob Gale about that directly and Bob Gale's like, Nope, never gonna happen. He's like, I own the rights and as long as I'm alive, never gonna happen.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, and even when I'm not alive, my son takes the rights. He's not gonna happen either.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But for some reason with you guys,

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I you know, and all three albums that you guys have put out not to mention your solo work that you've put out since then.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you guys have handled everything so well whether it be like Knight Rider or you know Karate Kid or anything that we've mentioned before that I had like there was never a doubt in my mind that this album was going to be fun and pay like loving homage to the trilogy.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's great that you say that because that's exactly where we're coming from. I don't write stuff to make fun of anything.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_01]: That's never where my heart is. I only write about things that I have a deep appreciation for and a deep love for and that was part of my formative years in a lot of cases.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So everything off that first. But the thing is though I love what you're saying because we have experienced that.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_01]: The Karate Kid is also such a beloved film that when we wrote that song, you know there were people that were not into it.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_01]: They're upset that we were touching that. But again I think you're not really listening to it if you get that front. If you don't see that I also love it.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_01]: You know if you miss that somehow then I don't know what to do. And that's definitely the case with Back to the Future.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I've always loved those movies and to be able to finally do a full album about it. Again, I felt a little weird about tackling that whole thing.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think I don't know that I'll do that again. I don't know that I'll write a full album about something.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_01]: The next No More Kings album for sure will be just like the others. More just singles, you know more songs that are just you know whatever I want to write about at the time.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. This felt like this felt like something I wanted to just try.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey and I'm like again, I'm all for it. And you know it's another thing that I love. Like I feel like this is just another geek me geeking out about No More Kings session.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Which anybody who's heard our past conversations knows I've done that in the past. And it's you know it is what it is.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know like even going back to that first initial track with Sweep the Leg like you always take you pay homage to the to the subject material that you're doing.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But you always find like these cool little ways to view it a little bit differently.

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_00]: You know Karate Kid there was always the argument being made that Johnny was the real hero in that film and Daniel was the villain.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_00]: So what do you guys do? You guys write Sweep the Leg. And that's pretty much what it is.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, is you know is it's all from told from Johnny's point of view.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And yes, you know, and it's been brilliant. I still say that's why Cobra Kai came about.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, I mean my thoughts on that objectively, I know that I wasn't the only person in the world who wanted more from that world.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Wanted more karate kid stuff. And I know, you know, after meeting Billy and becoming friends with him, Billy Zabka, he expressed that he had always been looking for ways to dip back in there and just couldn't find the right angle.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I don't think I don't think I was doing anything that other people didn't want to do.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I just think I got lucky and it showed I gave permission like not I didn't give permission, but like that song and video showed that OK, there still is a hungry rabbit fan base for this stuff.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. And I think it just it's just sort of if anything, it paved the way if anything, it sort of just said, yeah, you guys should do like I think the creators of Cobra Kai were going to do that either way.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they would. They came up with that idea independently. You know what I mean? I think that was something that was going to happen. That was inevitable.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But this was a nice like proof of concept for them. Have you been watching Cobra Kai? I feel like that's a dumb question, but no, it's not a dumb question.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I actually didn't watch it for a while and I'm not really sure why. I think it was on YouTube Red in the very beginning and I didn't have that.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like getting it for one show. But once it became once it became on Netflix, I watched the first four seasons. I'm not current. I think I got up to five or six now.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is the oh, that's a good question. I think I want to say this is season six. I feel like it's season six. This is their final season. They're releasing it in three kind of chunks, right? Yeah.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Three chunks and chunk one is already released. Right. So it's so good.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_01]: The whole show has been amazing. So my favorite aspect of this is how how much they're focusing on Johnny's character and his growth.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Because again, I feel like that's what the song was about. And that was something that I noticed straight away is that Johnny was never the bad guy.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And not that Ralph was either. But since the crease was the bad guy, like it was very clear to me. Yeah. You know, so to take that angle in the show and to actually let us see Johnny have like a kind of a redemption arc.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's so good. Billy Zabka is so good at this character. Anyway, that's my favorite. That's been my favorite part. I like the kids stuff less.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, no, I mean, and that's and that's fair enough. And I feel like I definitely agree with you because I've I haven't had the opportunity to meet. I've been working a number of shows. I'm working now with a new show company and touring with them.

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_00]: As I mentioned, you know, I'm going to be in Colorado. Yep. You know, the following weekend. And I haven't had the opportunity to meet Billy or Ralph yet.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But everything I've heard about Billy is just that he is super nice. He's incredibly personable. But you're right about, you know, I feel the same way about Cobra Kai is all the stuff that they have been doing with Johnny.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, obviously, the Daniel stuff is what it is. Like he was the hero. He was made to be the hero from the beginning. Right. And you're just continuing that story. But to see the arc of Johnny is more intriguing because I agree.

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree with you. I think that's a good point. Yes. And it shows Johnny more as negatively influenced rather than villainous because as you said, there that was there in the film. Yeah, you know, you know, he had a fight at first.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, wait, what? Yeah, because, as you said, Crease is the real villain of the entire story and has still remained that way over the course of the series, too, which is which I thought was brilliant when they brought him back on the show.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, oh, no, this is not going to go well. And then it does slowly start to unravel. And then they fight for ownership of the Cobra Kai. You know what I mean? Like, it gets probably crazier in season five.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Just wait until season five when Terry Silver comes over. Yeah, I know. I know that. I mean, I know about but I stopped watching right around then. Yeah, it is season six, too. I looked it up as we were talking and it's in season six now.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, when Terry Silver comes back in season five, it's crazy. Yeah, because he was he was the crease to crease. He was creases. Yeah, exactly.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, but yeah, but going back to the back to the future of everything, too. I'm so I'm glad to hear that this album comes from fandom.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, oh, absolutely. Like I said, as I am too, and not just something like, oh, what can we make an album about? People love Back to the Future. Let's do Back to the Future. Like it's no, it's I love Back to the Future. So let's do Back to the Future.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the other funny thing about that for me is I exactly I do these things, first and foremost, because I love them. And I like I like tapping into nostalgia.

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I like thinking about the things that made me the things that I quote every day, the movies that I like find myself rewatching. But I always have this weird like serendipity when I do something that whatever I make ends up finding its way into the zeitgeist independently at the same around the same time.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So two weekends ago here in Fort Collins, my favorite pizza place hosted the DeLorean days where all the DeLoreans from around Colorado came when they were like, six or seven DeLoreans just in a row that you can walk up to and look inside.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And some of them had like, you know, movie accurate flux capacitors in them. And it was it was just incredible. And you know, that that was just happening anyway.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And then like that, you know, recently there was a Back to the Future musical like that. It just seems like Back to the Future started bubbling up to the zeitgeist a little bit too on its own.

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. I I'll share a story with you because as I as I mentioned, you know, being the huge fan of of Back to the Future as I am, I'm excited because, you know, of the the show circuit that I work for or that I work with rather our big show every year is in November.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the first week in November. It's Rhode Island Comic Con. It is over like one hundred and thirty guests.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's right. Right. Rhode Island. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's it's in Providence. That's where the show is. That's amazing.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So this year they're putting a big focus on Back to the Future because we have booked as guests James Holkan who played principal Strickland, Tom Wilson, Leah Thompson, Christopher Lloyd.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think we're supposed to have Michael J. Fox, but we haven't announced them yet. That's that's the rumor.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And I've already told these guys, I'm like, look, this is like mountaintop bucket list panel for me.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, yeah, I will physically fight people for this panel.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think I'm going to get the opportunity to share the stage with them in November.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my gosh. But going back to last summer, another show that I worked had Michael, Chris and Tom as guests.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't get to moderate the panel. I was moderating other panels and I had met Chris a number of times.

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I had met Tom a number of times and I had never met Michael, never met Michael.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't have the opportunity to go wait in his line because obviously I was working the show and his line is incredibly long.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't have the time to do that.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So the person that moderated that panel was actually a friend of mine.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And he told me, he said, make sure you are backstage when that panel ends and I will do my best to make an introduction.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was backstage before that panel ended.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I was watching the last like 10, 15 minutes of that panel from backstage and everybody comes off and I'm kind of standing in the back a little bit off site, but making sure my friend can see me.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So he's doing the little wrap up with all the guests and Michael being in the condition that he's in was in was sitting in a wheelchair because they have to take him that way.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And my friend and I make eye contact so he knows I'm there.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of give him this look like, okay, if it happens, great. If not, it's not a big deal.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And finally, he waves me over and I was like, I'm like, okay, I'll go over and he introduces me to Michael's agent.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, you know, this is Ben. He's one of our moderators here.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_00]: He's a huge fan of Michael, huge fan of Back to the Future.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_00]: He's been working all weekend, so didn't have a chance to Michael to meet Michael. Is it okay if we make an introduction?

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, yeah, yeah, that's fine. So they turn Michael around.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And before I even finished saying hi, you know, Michael extends his hand, shakes my hand and we chat for like a good like five to seven minutes.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. And then they have to take him away, you know, take them back to his table.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And my friend looked at me, he's like, you're right. And I'm like, yeah, I'm great.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is this is amazing. And I sat there for a minute and I did my post on like social media like, hey, just met Michael J. Fox.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I had to go somewhere and I'm walking across the show floor and it hit me like it was so surreal up into a certain point.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And then it finally hit me and I was like, holy shit, like that just happened.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's 35 years in the making. I finally met Michael and I actually started getting emotional.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course. It's a big deal.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And then like I had people say like, oh, like, where's the picture?

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I didn't want to take a picture of him in the wheelchair.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And then the more I thought about it, I'm like, you know what?

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_00]: People live too much through their phones. Yeah, people know you have it up here, man.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and that's what and that's what it was.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_00]: It was like, look, all these other people I get to share the stage with and moderate.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_00]: It's great that I had take pictures with them and share them.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_00]: But people know how special this moment was for me.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_00]: You have a picture for for proof for like, you know what I mean?

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you don't need a well.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So in in in media journalism, it helps have a picture because it is the proof.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_00]: No, you're right. All right.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_00]: But for a personal one on one meeting as a fan, though, yeah, just yeah, take the experience.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he appreciated it.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And that was what I was like, I was like, you know what?

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I have that memory. Nobody else needs that memory.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's mine. Yeah.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And now, like it's it's great that there's the possibility that I might actually professionally get to work with them.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's so in a couple of months.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And the funny thing is, too, I thought about this because with you guys having the album and no more Kings kind of doing your thing again,

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_00]: our after party in November is Enchantment Under the Sea dance.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So there was there was a part of me that was kind of like, hmm, I wonder if Pete would be willing to bring no more Kings to Rhode Island and perform at the dance.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And if so, I wonder if I can talk like I do it.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like here. No more Kings do.

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Johnny B. Good would be amazing.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Your kids are going to love it.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So but that kind of brings me that was a long way to this next question.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Now that no more Kings is kind of doing you guys are doing your things again.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You guys are producing new music has the idea of touring or doing live shows again.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm old, man. Yeah, it's absolutely come up.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So when we sign when I get signed to the record label back in the day, I was like 35.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was already sort of old by music, you know, music industry standards.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, man, I don't know. I just feel like I love the idea of maybe doing select shows, select live performances, one offs.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'm up for touring. OK.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I also don't know if there's a demand for that.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_01]: We had we had such a mixed bag when I first did it years ago.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, we play one town for like, you know, a thousand people or whatever.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we pay another town for like 12 people.

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was just that system shock of of, you know, the up and down of that.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And then life on the road is is tricky.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you spend most your time in a van driving to the destination.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_01]: You get there, you, you know, load in.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_01]: You wait around at the club because you're if your headline or your last.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And so there's three or four bands in front of you.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You go on it, you know, eleven or midnight or whatever you play until, you know, to go home, wake up the next morning at five for a radio interview.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just it's very like I spent a lot of that time just in a days, you know, just like she wasn't getting a lot of sleep and whatever sleep you are getting.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's in a van. You know, it's not.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I had the most fun of my life in that year and a half time.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So don't get me wrong. Like, I really loved it.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But I was 35, you know, I don't know if I could do that again now.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, I don't know if there's a demand for it.

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_01]: We have such a weird fan base. Our fan base is so scattered.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_01]: If I ever sit down and look at our stats like I don't know that we have I don't know that a tour makes sense.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I could cobble together enough, you know, locations that we have a big enough fan base to it would be hard.

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It would be hard for me to cobble together that again, having said that, I would play absolutely play events or festivals or, you know, Adam and I have been talking about comic cons and the like and setting things up like that.

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So live shows are definitely a possibility in the future.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if touring is.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, again, like I could always put in like a word for potentially bringing you guys in for November.

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's your guys have a Back to the Future album.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a Back to the Future theme party with Back to the Future.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's absolutely worth worth exploring.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. I know Adam would be down with it.

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be down with it.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and it's bringing you back.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just going to say it's bringing you guys back to your hometown, which, you know, that would be works out great.

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, would you guys ever consider?

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously doing like the full tour of, you know, city to city to city because actually that's how you and I met.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, was during one of those radio appearances that you made.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we met when you guys came on Preston and Steve to talk about everything.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_01]: What about a Rocky song back then?

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_01]: That was my one mistake.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, when you were when you guys were in Philly.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_00]: What about the idea of maybe doing a virtual show?

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Because a lot of we see in a lot more bands do that.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, do a that, you know, renting idea, either rent a venue or, you know, to have like a small to do like a small intimate audience there and then stream it.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of love that idea.

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, there's been Michael Rosenbaum from Smallville.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_00]: He has a band and he does.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_00]: He does that. I think like every couple months, like him and his bandmates, they get together and they just they sell tickets and it's just a virtual concert and they love that people streaming and watch it.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I wish there was an easier way.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like I'm doing a lot of whining.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't mean to, but I wish there was an easier way to to like tell people what's going on online.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, like, for example, like if I had the ability, for example, to to access my audience on Spotify and send notifications to them to say, hey, we're doing a live show.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe I do. Maybe I got to look into this.

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's probably ways to set up events and stuff.

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But I just feel like I have a hard time letting people letting like most of our audience know these days with the way that social media algorithms are.

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You have access to such a small, you know, under 10 percent of your actual follower count.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you can you get in front of it any given time?

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Those I say that is because then that would be absolutely worth doing a set of of live stream concerts because I would be able to tell the people that hear that the most.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, I'm not really sure how I would let enough people know about it because I would definitely so Adam lives in Florida and I think it would be so easy for us to just put together something down there, hire musicians and do that.

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the other thing with no more kings is the fact that it's just me, you know, has always been.

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So if we do a tour or if we do anything live, I have to build a band around that.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's always tricky getting, you know, getting five other guys who are at that level who can commit to that time.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's always true.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Well, I mean, as far as I mean, you have a Patreon account, I believe.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. But is that yours personally?

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I have to. It's weird. I don't know why I did this, but I do have to. I have a solo one and no more Kings one.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, so I mean, and that's always one way to get the word out that you guys are doing something, but you have to have enough people as part of that Patreon.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_01]: But honestly, that's an interesting angle to thought about that before to doing a patron exclusive show first.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It does seem like if you're going to do a big live streaming show, you want the most people to be able to access it, though.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I want to gatekeep that, but that might that might have been a way to do just to ease in slowly.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I have thought about doing still playing No More Kings stuff, but doing some solo streams, just kind of acoustic with like a guitar or loop pedal or a piano or whatever.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know. I haven't I haven't built up the confidence to do that on my own yet.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_00]: It is a great way to test the waters, though. I mean, it's true.

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't cost you anything to do that other than your own bandwidth at home.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. So maybe do a couple of those to kind of like build up the the awareness of it.

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_00]: See tests to see what your audience is and what they think, and then maybe go from there and do the you know, the big full show ticketed live virtual event.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a good point. It's tricky with me because I love playing live.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I've always loved playing live. I've been playing. I've played live since I was like 15, 16 years old.

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But at my core, I'm definitely a recording artist.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'd rather I'd rather write and record and spend as much time as possible crafting the music.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's that's always been a bit of a balance for me.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Balancing both things. And I think the older I get, the more I skew towards just making the music.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas when I was younger, I wanted to make it so that I could play it live.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of something like I actually wanted to ask you about this months ago and I forgot about it.

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm remembering it now.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_00]: One of the things that I've been kind of diving into a little bit, and I know some other friends have been doing it.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I know other people that are doing it is, you know, is recording myself like so getting a karaoke track of something and recording it myself to just kind of.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It's something that gets it's not something I want to become famous for, but it's something like I it's something I do to get out of my own comfort zone to test myself outside of the comfort zone.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever thought of I don't know if there would be much of a need for it outside of me or demand for it outside of myself.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But have you thought about maybe releasing any karaoke tracks of any no more King's stuff?

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So I have released instrumentals on our Patreon for that exact reason.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I know there's a lot of people that just privately want to sing along with it in the car.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I do I do try sometimes to release instrumental tracks on the Patreon.

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a lot of that stuff because, you know, the label has all the masters for the first two albums.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So I do have some, you know, I have some stuff.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I obviously have all this stuff now from back to the future.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I could. Yeah, I guess I would just have to see if there's a demand there.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_01]: If that makes sense, I'm not opposed to it.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's fun. I think it'd be really fun for people to have the actual recorded instrumental music to sing along to because there's a ton of stuff that like on that, especially on those first two albums, like you said, like there's a ton of stuff that they're like I'm I sing along to constantly like in my car or whatever.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, there's been stuff I've done.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can't see it because of my camera, but I have this is my studio mic and then I actually have like a voiceover recording microphone to the side that I just stand.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_00]: It's got the noise screen around it. And I just I play around with it.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't released anything, but I have recordings of me doing stuff just because I'm I'm like, I don't feel comfortable releasing this stuff yet, even though I should.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, like I thought about the idea. I was like, man, I wonder if Pete would give me like a karaoke track or something.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. If you want to tell me something you want specifically, I can get stuff for you easily.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, OK. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Just send me a request.

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So I mean, so you said the idea, you know, you said like, OK, I don't want to do, you know, we're going to do this around one particular thing, this album being Back to the Future.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_00]: But the next album, you know, we'll go back to old No More King stuff.

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Is there already ideas out there for another No More Kings album when you're done with this or you just concentrating on this one?

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're definitely concentrating on this one.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have ideas in terms of like song content yet, but the commitment has been made there.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Adam has committed to doing another album with me, which I think is exciting because half the battle for me now is making sure I have a producer, you know, making sure that I have a producer that can hit that standard of No More Kings quality.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And I know I can't do that because that was what it's so.

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So this is a bit of a long story. But Neil and I talked about when he just when he realized that he just wasn't going to be able to commit to doing any more No More Kings albums because of his commitment to Durper Robbins, he sort of gave me permission.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Not that I but he sort of like, you know, said, go, go with grace, Pete. You can do this on your own.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But I release you young Patowon. Yeah, basically.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I always had that ability, but I would have I wouldn't have I never would have gone to somebody else to produce when it was Neil was right there.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Neil was the No More Kings producer. You know, he was and he was my co-writer.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I wrote all you know, I wrote all my songs with him. So it would have felt awkward without his blessing to work with anybody else.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But he obviously gave his brother Adam blessing for this.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like as long as Adam's willing to do it, I will continue to work with Adam because I'm so excited with the stuff that he's coming up with.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I was going to say I was gearing up for the idea of maybe having to eventually do this stuff on my own.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And what would that mean? Forget it because I do produce all my own solo stuff.

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like and I'm not trying to pretend to be humble here, but does it come close to the production level of the No More Kings stuff?

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very different vibe so I can get away with it. But if I was going to produce No More Kings stuff on my own, I would have to really up my production.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's nice for me to know that I don't have to worry about that yet.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not in a hurry to do that yet that I could take my time getting better and better with production because I have Adam now who is just so good, so good at it.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so we have commitments for the next album. We don't know what's going to be on it, but we're going to do a full full 10 song album for next year.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to try to do one every year, but we'll see what happens.

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh nice. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Might I make a recommendation? Absolutely. Of staying away from Twilight.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say staying away from Twilight. No, I mean, man, I don't know how well it would work, but if you're up for the challenge, one of my new favorite shows right now is Ted Lasso.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah. Everybody loves that show. I noticed your background was Ted Lasso a minute ago. So yeah.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So my other podcast called the Revisited Podcast is a series that my podcast and my friend Kristen and I do. And on that we choose a television series and it has to have ended.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And then we go back and we rewatch episodes and we go episode to episode and we talk about it.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So the first show we covered on that was Lost. So we did all of that. All six seasons of Lost. That's maybe something I would write about.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that could be fun. Talk about like diving into the hatch or not.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Penny's boat. Yeah. Just not all. If you wrote a song called Not Penny's Boat.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_00]: That might be it. That would be great.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so we did all six seasons of Lost. What took us took us like a little over a year to cover. And then we dove.

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_00]: We were like, well, we got to figure out what show we're doing next. And Ted Lasso had just ended maybe like three or four months before that.

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_00]: We were like, you know what? It qualifies the shows over. We can go back and watch it.

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And actually we just as of the time that we're recording this right now, we just released our coverage on the pen ultimate episode.

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So season three episode 11. So we only have one episode left to cover of of Ted Lasso. Have you seen it?

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I have not seen Ted Lasso. What is that on? Is that on HBO? It's on Apple. Apple. It's an Apple Apple Plus series.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to do this thing now where like I limit I want it. So my girlfriend and I were talking about this.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I want to pick one platform to concentrate on for a couple of months and then close and watch everything on it and then close it out and do the next one.

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And so Apple's next on our list. But OK.

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a oh, so you're the next show we're covering. I heard you ask that. Yes. Yeah.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So we have we know what the next show we're covering, which is The Good Place. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, I love that show.

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_00]: We all we have neither one of us has seen it since it aired.

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So we're like we we want to stay with something that we can definitely dive into and kind of discuss.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's there's a lot of philosophical conversation that comes out of all philosophical.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know how it ends to like watch it again real time knowing what you know.

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's one of the reasons why we do it is because so lost.

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_00]: We knew how the show ended when we watched it and it made us really realize like there were all those rumors and so many people saying like, oh, the writers didn't know where they were going with this show and they didn't know how it was going to end.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And they just threw it together. And as well rewatching lost were like, no, these guys knew exactly where they were going. Yeah, they knew.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have you heard of the chronological edit? I have it. I haven't watched it yet, though. I kind of want to watch that.

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how it would go because it start. It would start with Jacob and the man in black, like on the island.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right. Yeah. And then it would go to everybody in their normal lives before they get on the island.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, no, actually, after that, it would actually go into the 60s or the 70s.

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. The Dharma where they're on the island.

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're right. Part of the Dharma initiative in the 70s. Oh, you're totally right.

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I just mean our main cast that we meet, you know, Jack, Kate, so all those guys, you would meet them off the island first.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_00]: No, because remember, they go back in time and become part of the Dharma initiative in season five.

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Holy crap. I had forgotten about that. So because when the island.

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So when the island is jumping around, they become so you'll meet them before we actually get to see them even on the.

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's that whole first contact thing like at one point they were not there.

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So is it the first run through of time? Yeah, I was always the loop of time.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? That's what I mean. Like all of a sudden, John Locke would just appear out of nowhere.

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because he's jumping around. Yeah, I don't know.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about it was first first timeline where, you know, before anybody jumped back.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_00]: We did talk about that, though we were like maybe we should like after we're done with Ted Lasso, let's watch the chronological order of lost and just kind of do like an episode or two talking about it.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And we're like, no, because it's going to it's over 100 episodes. It would take us. Oh, it's long. Yeah, that's a commitment.

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like rewatching all six seasons. Just did it. Yeah, especially since you just did it.

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_00]: But we have ideas for my co-host Kristen really wants to do the wire, which I've never seen.

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I never saw that either, but I know it. But I was like, I can't revisit the wire because I've never visited the wire.

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's so that's one of the you have criteria is you have to have seen it. It's a really we have to have seen it. Yeah.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, because we're going back to revisit the series. So it's got to be something we've seen.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_00]: She wants to do justified, which we've both seen that. I love so much. Yeah, I love that so much.

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So we have our we have our picks for what like our nominees for the next show when we're done with The Good Place.

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_00]: She wants to do justified. I want to do Chuck. OK, which I don't know if you've ever seen Chuck.

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I know it. Yeah. Zachary Levi. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I never got into it, but I know I know the premise.

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So I definitely want to have you back on Wilhelm again, too.

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I know we're getting off the topic of no more kings, but this is the way our our conversations are.

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_00]: This is the way there's always parts where we just geek out about.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I love having you on. But like, I definitely want to have you come back on to do another top five episode because I had you on.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. What did we do when we had was a movie movies?

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was zombie movies. Yeah. Specifically. Yeah.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_00]: But I have new types of that was three years ago that might have been earlier than that.

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Might have been before that. I think it's been the three years since we did like the interview kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, like now I have obviously like I still do the top five episodes of Wilhelm.

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But now I do I have new episodes coming called First Watch where I take somebody who has never seen a particular movie they should have seen at this point.

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I let them watch it for the first time and then we just discuss it. That's great.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I have friends who have still to this day never seen The Shawshank Redemption. Oh, what?

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, what? Like, where have you been living? Like you're required viewing. Yeah.

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_00]: How do you get away with not seeing that? That's my favorite movie of all time.

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Like how have you never seen this movie? You know, so we'll do that.

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And then there's like different franchise talk. I definitely want to have you on again as part of that.

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. Just the yeah. Yeah. That stuff super fun.

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Those are making my brother was really difficult making my list of zombie movies.

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's still it's still to this day I'll get messages or stuff from people like that are finding the podcast for the first time.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And people like, oh, why wasn't 28 days later on your list? I'm like because it's not a zombie movie.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Zombies are slow. Yeah. It's an outbreak movie. Yeah.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_00]: They're they're infected with rage. They're not dead. They're not walking dead. They're not. Yeah. Reanimated dead. Yeah.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_01]: That's yeah. That's exactly right. Although they are making 28.

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I think 28, 28 years later. Yeah. Which is such a cool idea.

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Which I love the movies. I just back. Yeah. That's what I've heard. I heard he's coming back for it. Yeah.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_00]: That man has had such a major sergeants in his. I don't even want to say resurgence because he's always been popular.

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_00]: No, but you're right. It's sort of a killing and a renaissance kill. Yeah.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, with Oppenheimer, which was just I don't know. Have you seen up an iron even seen up?

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's I don't know why I've been putting that off. I think it's just it's one of those.

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_01]: There are a few movies that I haven't taken the time to settle in and see.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think usually it's because they're heavy movies and you got to be like in the right mindset.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And I missed it. I missed my chance in the theater.

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And so now I get to like like if it's in the theater, that's that's your thing. Oh, you better go. I got to go see it.

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But when you wait until it's up to you to choose when to see it, it's hard to pick those heavy, heavy movies.

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's one of those movies I went to. And I as you know, as media journalist, I get to go to a lot of advanced screenings of movies.

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And I got to go to an event screening of Oppenheimer.

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, well, this is a commitment because it's a three hour long movie.

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So I commit to be in there. And it was on IMAX.

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was like the fall, which very rarely are advanced screenings on IMAX.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_00]: But they wanted to give us the full aspect of this movie.

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And I give movies one to five star ratings and very, very, very rarely do I ever give a five.

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And I just remember walking into that theater and like, yeah, there's no question.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a five. Like, wow. No doubt in my mind.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. I remember just coming out because we were under media embargo when the movie was over until I think like two days later when we can finally start talking about it.

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And I just remember leaving that theater and going on Facebook and just saying, yeah, five star rating.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_00]: This is going to sweep the Oscars.

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And people are like, it's that good? I'm like, well, I can't do my full review yet.

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_00]: But when I do, I was like, this is like my spoiler free review that I'm allowed to talk about until the embargo lives.

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like sweeping the Oscars five star review and it swept the Oscars.

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_00]: It won every award it was nominated for.

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_00]: So what about Wolverine in Deadpool?

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That's so much fun.

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So Wolverine Wolverine has always been my absolute favorite comic character.

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_01]: X-Men was probably the only consistent comic I read consistently.

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I read, you know, I read like the full run of Punisher.

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's other things that I read when I was younger.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But like X-Men was my favorite.

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_01]: That was the thing I was the most into and Wolverine was my favorite amongst that.

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And I've just been so pleased with Hugh Jackman in general since the beginning.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I know a lot of people gave him crap for not being the right height, which is a funny gag in the comic book.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_01]: That's really accurate Wolverine.

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And I never cared about that because I actually love how imposing and just fierce he is.

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And Hugh Jackman is just like physical dominating presence anyway.

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But what I can't imagine a better choice, a better actor for that role.

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So to have that and be so psyched with that and get to get him for like 10 films.

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, the thing, the only thing that was a little bit like so Logan is in the future.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And everybody was like, oh, how are you going to bring Logan back?

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_01]: He's dead. I'm like, guys, it's in the future.

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Like just don't even worry about it.

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Just start now in 2024.

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_01]: He's still alive. Wolverine is still alive in 2024.

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So they didn't really get into that.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought, you know what I mean?

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they jumped through a lot of hoops to try to say, how can we bring Wolverine back?

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, he's not dead in our timeline.

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Somebody else had brought that up to me too.

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't really think about that.

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_00]: They reminded me that Logan takes place, I think, in like 2029 at least 2029.

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Which we haven't gotten to that point yet.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But the TVA tells Deadpool that, you know, your Logan died like your anchor being died, which is like, no, not yet.

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. Like he's still alive at this point.

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was just kind of like, OK, it is what it is.

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't the opening scene with him fighting with Logan's remains is just absolutely hysterical.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's funny that you say about, you know, Wolverine being your favorite X-Men because he was always one of mine too.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_00]: But there was always one X-Men who was above Wolverine to me.

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And we finally got him and that was damn bit.

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a bit. Oh my God.

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So I had a lot. I had a lot spoiled for me.

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the cameo spoil for me.

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's the one my girlfriend knew about it.

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And she did a good job of like being a good steward of and making sure I didn't find that out.

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_01]: He walked out and you and you hear it.

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You hear it ahead. And I was like, oh, oh, is that going to be Channing Tatum?

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was I was the same way like I was watching the movie because I went opening night.

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't give us an event.

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Disney was so protective of spoilers for this movie that they only gave any advanced screenings with the exception of the L.A.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_00]: premiere and the New York premiere.

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Any advanced screenings that were given were only the first 30 minutes of the movie.

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, they didn't nobody got full screenings of the entire movie unless you went to one of the openings.

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Or you were at San Diego Comic Con where they showed a full movie.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And even then, they brought the whole cast on screen.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So like that's that's where most people got it spoiled.

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and even that night was the same night it opened.

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It was Thursday night, which was the night that it opened anyway.

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So it really wasn't an advanced screening.

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_00]: But I went to I was like, well, I'm not going to go and watch 30 minutes.

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll wait and I'll just get tickets opening day.

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And I went and I went Thursday night when it opened and sitting in that theater.

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_00]: You're right. Like that scene where first we get a lot of.

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And then we get Blade, which is great.

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden you just see the card come floating out.

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And like the eight year old me is like, oh, my God, it's giving.

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, and I did the same thing.

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I did the same thing. I was like, oh, please let it be Channing.

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, please let it be Channing.

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And Channing comes out and he looks amazing.

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Amazing. Amazing. He was so good.

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I mean, it's no question he's going to he's absolutely going to get a solo film from this.

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Brian's pushing for it for him.

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_01]: How can he not? Everybody loved it. Everybody loved it.

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's so perfect.

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I loved all like the inch, like all the inside jokes about like when they were saying, like when Deadpool was like, how did you guys get here?

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's like, oh, there's a knock at the door and game.

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I might have been born here because this movie never happened.

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Right. Yeah. Whenever they're like, yeah, we got to do all this stuff.

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, all people who haven't had a chance to tell their story yet.

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. Yeah, those references are fantastic.

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_00]: But the other geek out moment for me to other than Chris Evans reprising Johnny Storm was fantastic.

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_00]: The other big geek out moment for me was lifting the cowl and seeing Wolverine wearing the mask.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, yes. I'm glad they didn't keep that for so long because the White Eyes works in comics and doesn't work well on film.

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_01]: But it was nice to see the mask for for that moment.

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, by that, like I had the White Eyes the whole time.

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I know. And here's the thing. This is Spider-Man 2. It works with its full mask when it's just this.

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's creepy. Yeah, I can feel that way.

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I felt that way. So full mask.

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It works because and also they make them expressive. Deadpool's eyes are animated.

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_01]: True. Spider-Man's eyes are animated with the dead like Wolverine just white eyes.

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It looks so good in drawings, but it just to me it was like, oh, I don't want that very much.

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, give it to me for a second. So I'm like, oh, I want to see the cowl.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But then once it went back to just his face, I was happier.

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It was still it was still pretty awesome. But you're right.

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Like other than I mean, Cavalry is amazing.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that was so funny. I wish there was a Daniel Radcliffe version.

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I said this. Yeah, I was hoping comic accurate version would have been him.

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's funnier to see tiny little tiny little.

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But there's but you're right. Like he's played that role for so long.

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm such a huge, huge Jackman fan.

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I have been for for a long time. My favorite people like actually I'm staring right at you can't see it.

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I was staring right at it. I have a poster on the wall from when he did his tour.

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, because I went and I saw it.

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So of course, I got the movie poster and it's on my wall behind me in my studio.

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine at this point because he's played that role for so long and he's played it so well.

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine Wolverine being recast.

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I think they talked about it and now there's now it's a moot point.

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think they have to know either.

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I think you I think if when they bring in the new mutants or X-Men as you know,

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're calling them new mutants or what they're calling the mutants when they bring them in to the MCU.

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to have a Wolverine. Right.

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Or if you do, he's still he's right there. He proves that he still can do it at fifty five.

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you know what I mean?

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: He's ninety until it till yeah, you'll be doing this till you're ninety.

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, but seriously, I think I think they can't.

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that they have to. I agree with you.

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there are so many other X-Men we've seen Wolverine for ten years.

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't need more Wolverine. I love it.

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the thing is I felt the same way about what am I trying to say?

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So when when they give Captain America his final send off in or the Chris the you know,

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Steve Rogers, Captain America, I had that same feeling of like,

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'm ready to say goodbye to him.

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's so good and I never actually cared about Captain America in the comics.

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But the MCU version of Captain America is so good, like such a part.

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? So I was I wasn't quite ready to be done.

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I was kind of like, ah, that's that stinks. I want to see more of him.

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: But having said that, you know, passing the mantle on to Sam Wilson makes sense.

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, the in in the Avengers and in comics, the character is the title more than it is the character.

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. Like you could guess that title on Thor can be another Thor.

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Captain America could be another Captain America. Iron Man could be another Iron Man.

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you could pass it on. Not so much Wolverine, I suppose.

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't really have although I guess X-24 is the next Wolverine.

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_00]: That's our answer. X-23. Yeah. Why do I call it 24?

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. I don't know. No, but I mean, seeing Daphne Keene come back to it was great.

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So what are your thoughts on the announcement that came out of San Diego Comic Con about Robert Downey Jr.

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Coming back to the MCU? Yeah. So it makes perfect sense if they play it the way that I think they're going to play it because, you know,

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_01]: one of the smartest guys around making crazy tech suits in an alternate universe where he turns bad.

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, I could see that. And that's what I had people say, too.

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I had people say, like, oh, I don't like the fact that Robert Downey is coming back.

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I was like, it's not the same Tony Stark.

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_00]: This is very clearly going to be a variant of Tony Stark. But that's what you were.

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a variant of Tony Stark. Yeah. You were in the multiverse.

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very Victor Von Doom can be like his name, like a stage name, you know, that he takes on.

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Does it? Yeah. Does it literally have to be that he was born Victor Von Doom? Right.

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. It could just be a moniker that he takes on like it like Tony Stark became Iron Man in the sacred timeline.

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_01]: This one, Tony Stark becomes Dr. Doom. Like, yeah, one thing shifts and he's deciding to do this instead.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It actually makes a lot of sense because you can see the point in the MCU where he chose to be Iron Man.

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_00]: He could have chose to go dark. Well, it's even I think it's a line that Tony Stark says in the early MCU is you either become a hero

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_00]: or you live long enough to become the villain. Yeah.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the timeline where he lived long enough to become the villain. Yeah. So I was totally fine with it.

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I had a moment of like, wait, what? And then I was like, oh no, if they play this right, I'm in.

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I had a friend of mine who was actually in the crowd in Hall H for that. Oh my God.

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And he text me the moment after it was announced and he's like, dude, give it five minutes.

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, what? He's like, the Internet is about to explode.

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, OK, refresh, refresh, refresh.

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden it just kept popping up in my feed.

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Robert Downey Jr. is the new Dr. Doom. And I'm like, yeah, when I saw the videos, I was like, can you imagine being in that crowd

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: not knowing what to expect? And then he walks on stage, takes his mask off like it's it's crazy.

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But bypassing the our geek out session and getting back to the music, you know,

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_00]: now that you guys are working on No More King stuff again and, you know, moving forward with that,

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_00]: are you still going to progress with solo stuff or are you going to concentrate primarily on No More Kings?

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a great question. So I've actually been really torn about that because I think my desire to create solo music

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: came out of my inability to continue doing No More King stuff.

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I think if I had been doing No More Kings straight for that 15 year gap or 10 year gap,

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't have needed to do solo stuff. But now that I've put some solo albums out and I've realized how completely different

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: they are sonically from No More King stuff, I've I've come to need that as another voice, as another outlet for myself.

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So I will absolutely I've got. Plus the other thing is I got seven albums on my hard drive, like waiting to be finished,

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: waiting to be like, you know, mixed, mastered and released. So I can't not put that stuff out.

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be silly of me, you know? Yeah. But the timing now is different, especially if Adam's committing to doing an album a year with me,

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: which I don't know that will actually hit that mark. That's pretty aggressive.

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But my my thought would be maybe every other year. So No More Kings album, solo album, No More Kings album, solo album.

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That would be ideal for me to just switch between. I've been sitting on my newest solo album is called Observer and it's done.

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, well, I can't release it because I got, you know, an MK back to worry about.

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that'll probably carry me to the end of the year. So I'm hoping maybe early next year before we get into writing the next MK album,

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I can sneak my solo album out. The other thing is, and this is more whining, I know nobody cares about my solo stuff.

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Like very few people care. So part of it is like, who am I doing this for? Am I doing this for me?

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Because if I want to make music that people will hear, it's got to be No More Kings. That's the only stuff people are listening to.

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But if I want to make stuff just because I feel like getting stuff out there, then I could put solo stuff out.

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of understand that a little bit, too, because I was kind of the same way, especially when it comes to the podcast is who am I?

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Especially because, you know, especially when you're just getting started in podcasting, there's so many podcasts out there and there's so much creation.

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: There's so much content out there. It's hard to capture an audience. Yes.

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And I've been doing this podcast for over 10 years now in different forms, but steadily for over 10 years.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And it took a while before I finally started captivating an audience.

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's still not a like smart list or Mark Maron audience, like size audience.

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And it never will be because those guys have teams behind them and they can put money behind promotion and everything.

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And there are already a name before they even get started and what they're doing.

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, but now I've come to adapt the idea and the attitude of I enjoy doing this.

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So whether it's five people listening or five thousand or five hundred thousand people listening, I'm going to do it to the same quality no matter what.

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm still going to continue to put it out. Yeah. That's smart.

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So I can kind of see like maybe musically it's it it might be a little bit more difficult to kind of take that attitude because you don't want to feel like you're wasting time.

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only deal. I don't mind. You're totally right. There's that idea of wasting time.

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't mind that so much because this is what I do for fulfillment.

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I make music because I can't help myself. I make music not because I want to but I'm or I do.

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm compelled to, you know, like I can't stop myself from doing this.

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a it's a it's a way of getting this stuff out of my head, you know, and just sitting down.

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But having said that, it's expensive to put music out.

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And at my at my current level with solo music, I'm not making that money back.

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a hobby. That's like an expensive drug habit of thing, you know, with no more kings.

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's different. Yeah. Well, that's what podcasting is for me too.

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm getting ready to launch. I've been talking about it for years, but I'm getting ready to launch my own Patreon in September.

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Good only because of the fact that like it is expensive.

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Whether people think about it or not, you have to cover bandwidth to put stuff together.

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You have to cover your costs. Web hosting equipment costs.

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of costs that go into this. And like I don't do this to make money.

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to do this. You know, I want to launch this Patreon just to kind of break even.

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I break even. I'm happy. But I'm like you.

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Like when it comes to podcasting, like I do this because I have stuff that I want to get out.

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll think of something, especially with movies or television and pop culture, I want to talk about.

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, OK, you know what? I'm going to record something on that.

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_00]: If people listen to it, great. If not, I got it out there.

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And I tell people this all the time and because I'm very introverted.

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But if I if I leave the house, which I do.

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it takes a lot to get me out of the house.

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But once I'm out, I'll talk to everybody like I'm an incredibly introverted extrovert.

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_00]: If that makes sense. Yeah, it just takes a lot to get me pull me out of the house to get me to the party.

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Me too. You know, but when it comes to like anxiety and stuff like that, I suffer from it a lot.

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Being behind a microphone, whether it's podcasting or on stage at a show or interviewing somebody in person at a show, that's an escape.

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a mental. Isn't it funny for most people?

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: That would be the thing that causes anxiety. But for you, that's exactly. Yeah, that's really cool.

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_01]: That's how you know you're meant to be doing this.

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I've had people tell me they're like, how would like I know you suffer like from anxiety and you get nervous around people like how are you not nervous on stage?

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, because when I'm up there for 45 minutes, nothing matters. Yeah, it's yeah, it's that your world goes.

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my world shuts off outside of that because I'm there. Like, that's it. Yeah, I love that.

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So what even if I even if I knew there was one person listening every week and that's it, I still continue to do that stuff.

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy. I love that you said that because that's so I you know, you get Spotify wrapped every year and people posts who their top tens are like I was somebody like my me, my solo stuff, not just no more Kings was somebody's top artist.

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Like somebody listens to my solo stuff more than they listen to anything else.

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And when you see that you're like, oh, I have to I have to keep doing this. I have to keep putting music out, you know, because whether or not it's fun for me to put out like it's meaningful to somebody.

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's yeah, that's a trip. And one of the things I like I really like about your solo stuff too is you know, and in particular, in my mind, I'm thinking burned by the sun because that's a I love that album.

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I love that that whole vibe that you put out is one of the reasons I was I oh, the video is great too.

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, man. So I was going to ask you to if you will get to that in a second. But I'm glad you said that because it made me or my.

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But one of the reasons why I was so drawn to that song and that album and all the rest of the stuff is because it was the familiarity familiarity of your voice that we know from no more Kings.

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. But with this kind of almost experimental vibe to it like we're getting, you know,

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_00]: an element that we love with no more Kings in your voice. But like now we're getting introduced to this new kind of thing. So it's an easy way to kind of transition into hearing something new.

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, what a cool way to say that I never that never occurred to me. That is a really that's a cool insight. Like if you already are familiar with no more Kings and you've decided that you like the sound of that.

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And then having this comfortable familiar voice lead you into this more cinematic kind of apocalyptic like we're not even apocalyptic. But you know what I mean? Like just very different sonically from no more Kings.

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's you have this anchor. The anchor is my voice. I never that never even occurred to me. How cool.

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad I could bring your attention to that. Yeah, no, that's wild. That's actually a reason alone to keep doing it just because why not? Why not? If yeah.

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_00]: When I tell a different story. Yeah, but I mean like even with you know not even not even you know talking about like in measured but going to like musings on Mars.

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Are you impressed that I know all these albums? I am. I'm like you know I'm a legit fan. Oh, I know. That's what I love. That's what I love. I love that you genuinely have me on here for solo stuff too.

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Like yeah, we didn't talk about no more Kings. But like you know musings on Mars like you know how you when you have covers of like break my stride and stuff like that. Like it's still kind of like an easy kind of transition from no more Kings into something different but not easier.

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like incredibly different. Yeah, no, I completely agree with you. That one to me sounds it's a little little jazzier little more like yeah, but that could have been released as a no more Kings album. I think. Yeah, I think that could have like kind of cover album.

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of relate it to like I'm another like another band. I'm a huge fan of is Dave Matthews band and I love Dave Matthews band music but even when Dave released some devil which was a solo album.

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It's still kind of had that Dave Matthews band vibe to it like similar sounding. Yeah, but you could tell it was different enough that you knew this was different than Dave Matthews band musings on Mars is kind of the same thing to me like it.

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_00]: We knew it was a solo album branched off of no more Kings. It had enough familiar sound that you knew where it was from, but it was different enough. Yeah, to kind of be something to concentrate on.

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like to me that's the that's the deciding factor on whether or not something becomes a no more Kings album or something becomes a solo album is exactly that like how far my straying from that no more King sound.

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it enough of a stray because like you, it's hard to say that because you think about like a song like knickerbocker like could not be further from sweep the leg, you know, or something like girl, you could not be further.

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So to say, like that's a pretty big pool to play in with no more Kings. That's a pretty big swimming pool for me. So for me to be like, oh, it doesn't fit sonically no more Kings is like, well, what the heck, you know, everything fits.

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So what do you mean? But I think tonally too, like, I measured underweight. And what's funny because that's the that's the album that was inspired by the movie Logan so we becomes real circle talking about.

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I can see that. Yeah, I didn't really think about that. But I can definitely see that. So when I got out of when I got out of Logan, you know, there's that and the Johnny Cash and credit song when the man comes around.

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just that stuck with me for so long. So I ended up covering that song in kind of that apocalyptic vibe. And I intended to put that on and measure hundred weight, which is why I named it in measure hundred weight because there's the line and the Johnny Cash song and measure hundred weight and penny pound, you know, when the man comes around.

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So I wrote that whole album from the perspective of that duo of Wolverine and X 23, you know, in the apocalypse, just these two against everybody kind of doing it. And there wasn't an album about Wolverine, but it definitely was an album like inspired by that that vibe.

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Have you I know kind of you've released songs like that before, but like in measure hundred weight, you have, you know, you have the burn by the sun, which is the lead track on the album and then you do the acoustic at the follow up.

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. You thought about doing like just a full acoustic album. I should I really should. Yes, I have. So the reason I like doing that, and it's kind of gimmick. It's become gimmicky now and I didn't mean it to be.

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: But when I make out when I make solo albums now, I think of them as a movie. So I think of that measure hundred weight to me feels like a whole film, you know, you're telling a story with every track of correct album. Yep.

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And and the landscape of the album should you know there should be a chase scene, there should be a emotional scene that should have the ups and downs of a full movie ride, you know.

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And so for me, ending with the single ending with the lead track as an acoustic version, which would feel like the credit and credit song should feel like the end credit song. So I did that with that album. I did that with another album, my small album, my release call.

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_01]: We know what you think of us. And then I have that with the new album observer. There's a acoustic version of control that ends the album. That's very much simplified and moody.

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's on purpose. But I hadn't until recently thought about that vibe, the acoustic kind of vibe, because weirdly, I feel like that might be what I do best. Like, I as much as I like the big version of burn by the sun, I like the acoustic version better. And as much as I like the big version of control, I like the acoustic. So I end up liking those versions better. They're out of they're more haunting.

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_00]: They're more haunting and they're more raw. Like, there's something about that sound that just that's one of the reasons why I'm kind of asking is because I'm also the same way like Bern. I nothing against the actual track of burn by the sun. But I there's definitely a higher play count on the acoustic version on my Spotify list than there is on the actual version.

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense. Yeah, my personal play count.

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I absolutely should do a full 10 track album in that style. Because that's seems to be what I gravitate towards. It's what I like the most. And honestly, again, if we're talking about production, that's something I can do. I can do that, you know, easily.

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, and I don't think it's, I don't think it's on any album. And I think I've brought this up to you before too. But like, you're right. There's something about the way you perform acoustically that is just so, like, I guess moving and powerful, like one of my favorite.

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_00]: There was a time a couple years back where it seemed like everybody, everybody was doing

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_00]: a cover of Africa by Toto.

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And like some of them were we did one.

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Weezer did one and Weezers is enjoyable.

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But anytime like I saw somebody post about like, oh, here's an Africa cover.

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's an Africa cover.

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_00]: My response was always check this one out.

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was your video of your cover of Africa.

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for like 15 years ago.

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: From like a while ago, Mike, he did it a while before everybody else was doing it.

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_00]: He already did it and his is still better than everybody else that's doing it.

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I the reason I like that cover, I've always been so proud of that one, is it feels

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_01]: to me it feels warm, like there's just something very like has a has a warmth

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_01]: that I don't hear in a lot of other versions of it.

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, even totally like even like in the octaves that you cover, like you're

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_00]: not really going as high as Toto did.

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: You're keeping it a lower octave, which kind of adds a much different and

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: comforting, as you said, like it's kind of more of a comfort feel to it.

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Not only that, but it's also an octave I can hit when I.

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's the thing.

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, it makes it accessible.

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So I get I get crap about that sometimes when I do covers and I change the key

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_01]: because I've always been a fan of finding a way to spin a cover.

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, what's what's the point of doing a cover if you're going to try

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: to do it exactly like the original artist?

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you're not bringing new to that.

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So I always approach a cover almost always with that in mind.

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: How do I make this unique and how do I make this my, you know,

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_01]: have my signature on it?

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And one of those ways is making sure that it fits comfortably within my

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: range so I'm not straining or sounding like an idiot.

[01:19:29] [SPEAKER_01]: We did, you know, You Make My Dreams Come True.

[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You said that before as an example of from from Musics on Mars.

[01:19:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you know, that's a lot lower than the original key.

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And I've heard bands covered in the original key and they sound

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_01]: strange, they sound like they're barely hitting it because not everybody

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: can Darrell Hall it up, you know?

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway.

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So I get, I read the comments and people are like, ah, this is weak.

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't have the same energy.

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And I get it.

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I get it.

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's like that's, I wasn't trying to do that.

[01:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to match that.

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm trying to do a different thing here and I wanted it to feel

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_01]: warm and accessible and comfortable.

[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's fun to sing along to, you know?

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: There's an artist, I don't know if you've ever heard of him before named,

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_00]: um, chase Hallfelter.

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_00]: No, um, he does a lot of covers, but he changes every cover from

[01:20:11] [SPEAKER_00]: the major key to the minor key.

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I've heard that kind of thing.

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_00]: He did a cover of every breath you take by the police, which I love the

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_00]: police.

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_00]: No, he went from major to minor.

[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Change it to the minor key and it changes it to this dark.

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Even creepier.

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it's like this guy was stalking this woman.

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is, this sounds like a song you would hear in a horror film.

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's creepy, but it adds a totally different element.

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, changing the key on stuff can totally change the perspective

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_00]: of what you're hearing.

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So I appreciate that.

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So like, especially like, oh, like not just when you do it, but

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_00]: when anybody does it, like making a cover your own is what

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_00]: adds value to that cover.

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think.

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

[01:20:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you mentioned the music video that you did by burned by the

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_00]: sun and now I'm thinking about it.

[01:21:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's, it's incredibly well done.

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think we talked a little bit about that the last time you were on

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_00]: yes.

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_00]: The production of it has the idea of ever maybe just doing a full short film.

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, cause like I'm thinking about like just a, like a short film of that

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_00]: same character in this same environment.

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no dialogue.

[01:21:26] [SPEAKER_00]: The album is the dialogue of the film.

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it is the narration of the internal.

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the internal.

[01:21:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[01:21:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So that was my original intent.

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I planned on making a short film to accompany that.

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just, uh, man, I, I'm chronically scattered.

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm chronically like, I have, I bite off more than I can chew.

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, I, I, and I'm constantly, yeah.

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You do.

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think a lot of artists are, I think a lot of artists are, you

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_01]: know, we are distractible.

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_01]: We have shiny object syndrome.

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I had every intention to do a short film with that.

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And as far as I got was the, that song, and I'm glad I got that out of

[01:22:04] [SPEAKER_01]: me, but that's about, and then I was onto something else.

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I should think about returning to that or re or doing another

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_01]: album along that lines anyway.

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So my new album observer, same thing.

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_01]: This album has started to shape up to be like a heist movie.

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I thought, well, literally let's make a heist film, you

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_01]: know, to go to accompany this.

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's the idea there too.

[01:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if I'll actually do it.

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Even if it's like, cause I think something you've toyed with before

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_00]: that I've seen like following you on your personal page is a lot of

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_00]: art that you do in the animations that you do.

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe even just an animated film, like not anything too ambitious of

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_00]: doing a live action film of having to bring on actors and find

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_00]: locations and all this stuff.

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But maybe just doing something animated doesn't even have to be

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_00]: like full Disney Pixar, but just something like, like I think

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_00]: sometimes something a little rough around the edges adds character.

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You could tell it was a handmade by a person.

[01:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's that.

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: That's absolutely idea.

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the re it's funny that you say, you know, live action with

[01:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: bringing in a crew and people and stuff.

[01:23:05] [SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the reasons why I thought, uh, burned by the sun or

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_01]: the measured hundred weight story could work is because I could do

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_01]: that myself with my drone.

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I filmed that video pretty much, you know, you know, like

[01:23:17] [SPEAKER_01]: very, very, uh, simply and very small minimalistic.

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's a way to do all kinds of, a bunch of stories.

[01:23:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't write something that needed, you know, 20, 20 actors.

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I would try to find something that I could do with, with this small as possible.

[01:23:32] [SPEAKER_01]: But I also agree that I think animation would be so fun, would look so cool.

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And that'd be, that'd be the way to go.

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's really just a matter of getting me to commit to something and not

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: be so distracted in the middle of it.

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm kind of like, I'm picturing in my head now,

[01:23:46] [SPEAKER_00]: like an animated heist movie, nothing too like incredibly detailed, but

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe like along the lines of, I don't know, maybe like the take on me.

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Video be very sketchy, very black.

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Very, very rough, sketchy, almost like storyboard ish kind of that could work.

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, movie, which, you know, would still take some, some commitment

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_00]: to get into and to do, but wouldn't be, I don't think as, um, commitment

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_00]: heavy as like a live action or anything like that.

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the things I've been toying with lately, as I get back into

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_01]: making content for, for no more Kings is, uh, doing videos in chunks and

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: then releasing those chunks online.

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I feel like something that works well for me is to get some

[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_01]: to create some kind of feedback loop where I make something, I release

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: it and I get a response, I get some audience response, and then that

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_01]: fuels me to make the next piece.

[01:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And I release it.

[01:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And that hopefully continues when you're working, when you hunker

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: down and work on something for like a month, sometimes two months on

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_01]: a single video to get that out with no feedback.

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It starts to get, you start to go a little stir crazy with it and

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: you start to, you know, and so I feel like if I'm going to do something

[01:25:01] [SPEAKER_01]: like this, like an, and you know, even an animated music video, like

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_01]: a four minute music video, which is essentially a short film, um, I'd

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_01]: want to make sure I set up some kind of feedback loop for myself to,

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: to keep it going, you know, find a way to chop it up into chunks

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: that I feel like I can release periodically and then stitch the

[01:25:19] [SPEAKER_01]: whole thing together with new bits that people haven't seen yet.

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, for me it's finding that balance of like, how do I stay

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: engaged and committed to this project when the project lasts longer

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: than a week?

[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?

[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I would almost think like, I don't know why this idea came to me,

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_00]: but maybe turning that into like creating something within that world,

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_00]: uh, you know, with that character in that, and then environment,

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_00]: but maybe making it like a choose your own adventure where the, the,

[01:25:45] [SPEAKER_00]: the fans are the ones like you film the character moving through the

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_00]: wasteland or whatever, and then he comes to a crossroad.

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And then now the fans get to choose which way he's going to go.

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, cause then you're getting the feedback, you know, people

[01:26:01] [SPEAKER_00]: are watching and you know, people are engaged in it.

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And then now you get to use that to kind of, I love that idea as

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of like an enthusiasm to kind of be like, okay, yeah.

[01:26:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And I get to be surprised too.

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_01]: What are they going to be?

[01:26:13] Yeah.

[01:26:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

[01:26:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I love that.

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Come up with ideas for both, but now you only have to film one of them

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_00]: because you know, that's the way it's going.

[01:26:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I love that.

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_00]: That's so fun.

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, so other than the, you know, the no more king stuff

[01:26:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and we talked more about the solo stuff, anything else that you're

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of doing out there that you, you know, creatively or anything

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_00]: like that you kind of want to bring attention to, or you

[01:26:38] [SPEAKER_00]: want people to know about?

[01:26:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the other non-music related thing that I've done recently is I

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: illustrated a children's book, uh, with my friend, Brett, my friend,

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Brett Nelson wrote this incredible children's book called the part

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Mart.

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's very sweet story about this girl who's uncomfortable

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_01]: with her own in her own body.

[01:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You only sees the flaws and that ends up, you know, learning to

[01:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: appreciate that over the course of the story.

[01:27:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I got to illustrate that, which was a lot of work that

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_01]: took months and months to, to, you know, fully illustrate this book,

[01:27:08] [SPEAKER_01]: but that's out now it's called the part Mart.

[01:27:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and it's through encyclopocalypse is the name of the produce, the

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_01]: publisher.

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_01]: But, um, yeah, that's not, that's, that's a project that I'm pretty

[01:27:18] [SPEAKER_01]: proud of.

[01:27:18] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not music related that I've done recently.

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's awesome.

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think I knew that about that.

[01:27:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_00]: You, yeah, that you illustrated the children's book.

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it available like on Amazon or is it?

[01:27:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's on Amazon.

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's everywhere.

[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, then I'll definitely, I'll put links to the book in the

[01:27:32] [SPEAKER_00]: show notes of the podcast too.

[01:27:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that towards it.

[01:27:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, cause your artwork is something that's like, you're always

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_00]: making like these stickers and, and stuff like that.

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_00]: That's always, I always love seeing it.

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And I always feel so guilty.

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Anytime I know somebody I enjoy has like a Patreon and I don't give to it.

[01:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And you can't give to everything, man.

[01:27:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I can't give to every single one that I have.

[01:27:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel guilty when friends sign up for my page.

[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to do this.

[01:28:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll send you the stuff for free.

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh no.

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, no, you're my friends.

[01:28:10] [SPEAKER_00]: You should be signed up.

[01:28:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally.

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:28:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, cause it's going to be a slow rollout too.

[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm only doing two tiers to start.

[01:28:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So one of the mistakes I made, yeah.

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Very smart.

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Five and then five and 10.

[01:28:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So five is basically going to be thanks for the support.

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Like here you go.

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And then 10 is going to be like, I'll give you a shout out every podcast.

[01:28:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And I have stuff that I'm going to raffle off every month.

[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you get entered into it just by being a part of this tier.

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And then eventually as I think of more things and the Patreon starts to grow,

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll add more tiers as I, as they go forward.

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a smart way to do it.

[01:28:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I made the mistake.

[01:28:47] [SPEAKER_01]: My first, uh, my first patron, my solo Patreon, I had like five or six

[01:28:52] [SPEAKER_01]: tiers because I tried to, I was trying to appear a P what am I trying to

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_01]: say appeal to anyone at a different price range?

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause I didn't want to presume where anybody was, but what ends up happening

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_01]: is it just gets so cluttered and so confusing.

[01:29:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's like, when you go to a restaurant that has a giant menu,

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_01]: you kind of don't know what to pick.

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think I might've even turned people off who, if I just had one

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: tier at $5 would have been like, yeah, I'll do it.

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm trying to streamline now.

[01:29:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:29:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's basically what's going to be is, like I said, $5.

[01:29:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for the support.

[01:29:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Appreciate it.

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_00]: $10.

[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you get entering into these raffles and video versions of

[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_00]: everything I record will be available in that tier.

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So you can watch the video version of it.

[01:29:32] [SPEAKER_00]: If you, as long as you subscribe to that smart Patreon, um, you know, so yeah,

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_00]: it's going to be a slow rollout, but, uh, you know, that's going to be

[01:29:40] [SPEAKER_00]: launched in next month too.

[01:29:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So, oh, wow.

[01:29:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Soon.

[01:29:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:29:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I I'm also toying with the idea.

[01:29:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I found a way to do it.

[01:29:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm toying with it.

[01:29:48] [SPEAKER_00]: It's something I've always wanted to do.

[01:29:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I used to work in radio, you know that cause that's how we met.

[01:29:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I've always toyed with the idea of starting like an online

[01:29:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and internet radio station.

[01:30:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think I finally found the way to do it.

[01:30:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, cool.

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I'm toying with that idea as well of, of doing like 24 seven

[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_00]: streaming music, but jumping on live every once in a while to do

[01:30:14] [SPEAKER_00]: some specific playlists and themes.

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I can play some no more Kings music on it as long as I have

[01:30:19] [SPEAKER_00]: permission, um, you know, so yeah, it all again, it's that artist

[01:30:26] [SPEAKER_00]: mind where we get ambitious and we come up with all this different

[01:30:29] [SPEAKER_00]: stuff that we want to do.

[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Ideas are easy, man.

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Execution is the hard part.

[01:30:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[01:30:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a matter of like, okay, I'm excited about this now.

[01:30:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to exist in a couple of months?

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a good way to look at it.

[01:30:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Am I still going to have the same fire for this thing?

[01:30:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[01:30:45] [SPEAKER_00]: It might just end up playing the same 20 songs like over and

[01:30:48] [SPEAKER_00]: over again, cause I haven't been on in like three months to

[01:30:53] [SPEAKER_00]: do a live session, you know?

[01:30:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And it is what it is.

[01:30:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but no more Kings back.

[01:30:59] [SPEAKER_00]: You got coming out.

[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I think you said next month in September.

[01:31:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a release date for the album?

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have a release date yet.

[01:31:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming it'll be near the end of the month, but, uh,

[01:31:09] [SPEAKER_01]: it could be wrong.

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to be releasing any more singles from it or

[01:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: have you released it?

[01:31:13] [SPEAKER_01]: We're good with singles.

[01:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So we did our three singles, which seems so weird for a seven

[01:31:19] [SPEAKER_01]: song album, so you're already heard half the album.

[01:31:22] [SPEAKER_00]: No, almost half.

[01:31:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Almost almost.

[01:31:24] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's fine.

[01:31:25] [SPEAKER_00]: The other four are great though.

[01:31:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's, I'm already excited for, you know, for the

[01:31:31] [SPEAKER_00]: rest of the album again, you hit on something that's very

[01:31:35] [SPEAKER_00]: passionate to me.

[01:31:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm, and of course, like I was like, of course Pete is

[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_00]: the one that does a back to the future.

[01:31:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:31:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Like if it's going to be done, it's going to be done by me.

[01:31:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:31:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and not only that, but like not only is it you, but

[01:31:46] [SPEAKER_00]: it's no more, it's you and no more Kings, which is makes

[01:31:49] [SPEAKER_00]: more, I feel like it's getting back to roots, not just for

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_00]: you, but for me as a fan.

[01:31:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is what I fell in love with when it comes to no more

[01:31:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Kings and your music.

[01:31:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, okay.

[01:32:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It I'm reliving a little bit of getting back to that sound.

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_01]: That's another reason why we named it back for that exact

[01:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: reason.

[01:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Why I wanted it to feel exactly like what you're

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: describing.

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to feel like we're back.

[01:32:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Come in.

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get a hug.

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a nice warm hug from no more Kings.

[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I want.

[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I wanted.

[01:32:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

[01:32:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I know we're go, we're going on almost about an hour and a

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_00]: half and you've got to, I want to give you a little bit of a

[01:32:27] [SPEAKER_00]: break because I know you've got more stuff to do later on.

[01:32:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, anybody who's listening right now, you already heard

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_00]: one song from the album.

[01:32:33] [SPEAKER_00]: You heard 1.21 gigawatts, then we're going to play hoverboard

[01:32:36] [SPEAKER_00]: after this interview.

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to Pete giving permission to do that.

[01:32:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but before I let you go and before we wrap things up, I

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_00]: want to give people an opportunity to follow you, follow no more Kings,

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_00]: find your stuff, throw out some links where, where's the best way

[01:32:53] [SPEAKER_00]: for people to find everything that you've got going on.

[01:32:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So no more Kings.com is a great starting place for no more Kings,

[01:32:58] [SPEAKER_01]: but obviously we're everywhere.

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So we're, you know, YouTube, Facebook, uh, Instagram, you

[01:33:05] [SPEAKER_01]: know, Spotify, obviously it's the best place to listen.

[01:33:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And then for my solo stuff, just Das Petey, DAS, P E T E Y

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Das Petey.com.

[01:33:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm, my handle is Das Petey everywhere.

[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So Instagram, Twitter, Facebook.

[01:33:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I gotta ask because I've known that about you for so long.

[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Cause I follow you on Instagram, Twitter, all that stuff.

[01:33:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Where did Das Petey come from?

[01:33:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Like that was my first email address for Yahoo.

[01:33:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I grabbed it because I had just finished watching the

[01:33:30] [SPEAKER_01]: movie Das Boot Das Boot.

[01:33:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought it'd be funny to be like Das Petey, the Petey.

[01:33:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, it works.

[01:33:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:33:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So I've kept it forever.

[01:33:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_00]: You've had it as long as I've known you.

[01:33:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

[01:33:43] [SPEAKER_00]: You've, you've had that handle.

[01:33:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

[01:33:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So it works, you know, when you got something, you stick with it

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_04]: and it's, yeah.

[01:33:50] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just easy.

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:33:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But all those, I'll make sure all those links are in the

[01:33:54] [SPEAKER_00]: show notes too, so people can find it.

[01:33:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm sure this is like, I guess I said like the four

[01:34:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Pete, um, four Pete, four Pete, um, there's, you know,

[01:34:05] [SPEAKER_00]: fourth time you've been on, if not the fifth time already,

[01:34:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it won't be the last.

[01:34:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I love that we always kind of break from the,

[01:34:14] [SPEAKER_00]: the traditional stuff to geek out a little bit, you know, like

[01:34:18] [SPEAKER_00]: we did with everything.

[01:34:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm absolutely going to put a word in to the show that

[01:34:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I work for to see, you know, maybe there's a possibility we

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_00]: could get you guys to return to Providence and do something

[01:34:28] [SPEAKER_00]: at that after party.

[01:34:29] [SPEAKER_01]: If you were able to work something out, we would

[01:34:31] [SPEAKER_01]: absolutely make it happen.

[01:34:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll talk a little bit after the recording to get

[01:34:36] [SPEAKER_00]: some more details about that, but, um, thank you so much

[01:34:39] [SPEAKER_00]: for coming back on and doing this.

[01:34:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad we were finally able to make this work.

[01:34:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to hear the release, the full release of

[01:34:46] [SPEAKER_01]: the album and I'll absolutely, I'll be doing a live listening

[01:34:49] [SPEAKER_01]: party when that full album comes out.

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So be part of YouTube.

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll do it.

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Nice.

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I've done that for my solo stuff and it's made my

[01:34:55] [SPEAKER_01]: favorite thing ever is being there live in the chat real

[01:34:58] [SPEAKER_01]: time, listening to the album together with people for

[01:35:00] [SPEAKER_01]: the first time.

[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to make sure I'm part of it this time

[01:35:02] [SPEAKER_00]: too, when it comes out.

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's so much fun.

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I have so much fun doing that.

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_00]: But thank you so much again for coming back.

[01:35:08] [SPEAKER_00]: This was great.

[01:35:09] [SPEAKER_00]: So, all right.

[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's going to be the end of this episode of

[01:35:13] [SPEAKER_00]: the Spotlight on Wilhelm.

[01:35:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Stay tuned.

[01:36:49] [SPEAKER_03]: When you tried to mess with me,

[01:36:53] [SPEAKER_03]: you should be thinking twice.

[01:36:56] [SPEAKER_03]: You're skating on thin ice.

[01:36:59] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to count to three.

[01:37:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Now you've got no place to hide.

[01:37:08] [SPEAKER_03]: It's fight or flight and I can dance all night.

[01:37:14] [SPEAKER_03]: So you better clear the floor.

[01:37:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So what you're waiting for?

[01:37:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's even up the score.

[01:37:24] [SPEAKER_03]: You can't keep up with my hoverboard.

[01:37:38] [SPEAKER_03]: So you think you got the nerve to come for me?

[01:37:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh son, now please think it over.

[01:37:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Now you're messing with the best they'll ever be.

[01:37:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Why can't you see I'm getting closer?

[01:37:56] [SPEAKER_03]: When I'm flying on my hoverboard.

[01:38:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like some kind of overlord.

[01:38:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And there's just one thing I know for sure.

[01:38:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like lightning when I'm gliding on my hoverboard.

[01:38:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It's fight or flight and I can dance all night.

[01:38:23] [SPEAKER_03]: So you better clear the floor.

[01:38:27] [SPEAKER_03]: So what you're waiting for?

[01:38:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's even up the score.

[01:38:33] [SPEAKER_03]: You can't keep up with my hoverboard.

[01:38:40] [SPEAKER_03]: My hoverboard.