Episode 129: TED LASSO S02E12 "Inverting the Pyramid of Success"

[00:00:00] Hey fellas, before we get started here I want to talk to you all about the article

[00:00:16] you saw on the paper this morning. Actually I'll probably saw it on your phones. I still

[00:00:20] get the paper because you can't cut cartoons out of a phone right? Yeah but you can

[00:00:24] screenshot them and text them. Let's cope with my fridge, bro. I hear he's a row but

[00:00:29] you can't hang a screenshot on a fridge either. My refrigerator? How's that television?

[00:00:33] Oh I think I have a signal on it. The point is, y'all found out about something from somewhere

[00:00:39] when you should have found out about it from me first. But I chose not to tell y'all

[00:00:44] and that's dumb. You know, fellas we make a lot of choices in our lives every single day

[00:00:50] ranging from my really about to eat something called Greek yogurt to shall leave my family

[00:00:56] and take a job halfway around the world. Me choosing not to be forthright with y'all

[00:01:02] that's a bad choice. I can't be wasting time wishing for a do over on all that. So that

[00:01:08] ain't how choices work, no sir. No, that choice in my Chicago Bull starter jacket that

[00:01:15] I let Janelle Rhodes borrow by soft one year because she spilled catch ball of herself

[00:01:18] and it looked like she'd been shot. Those are two things I ain't ever getting back because

[00:01:23] every choice is a chance, fellas. And I didn't get myself the chance to build further

[00:01:28] trust with y'all. To quote the great UCLA college basketball coach John Obi-Wan Gandalf,

[00:01:35] it is our choices gentlemen that show what we truly are far more than our abilities. Now

[00:01:42] I hope y'all can forgive me for what I've done because I sure as heck wouldn't want any

[00:01:45] of y'all to hold anything back with me. No we got you got you coach. Yeah, no problem

[00:01:51] gaffer. And when we sniff out the rat, I'm just going to take socks for the soap to their

[00:01:55] stomach and chest. We're gonna find him a fuck up up!

[00:02:00] No fellas look, I'm gonna nip that talk in the butt right now. It's bud nut butt

[00:02:06] coach. It is? Oh because the flower is right. We're the coach of Mibib. That makes more sense.

[00:02:11] I appreciate that. Thank you.

[00:02:21] Welcome to another episode of the Revisited Podcast. I'm Ben. And I'm Kristen. This week we

[00:02:49] are revisiting Ted Lasso season two episode 12 inverting the pyramid of success.

[00:02:56] The season two finale. Yes. Season finale. We are now into the episodes we have only seen

[00:03:04] once. Yeah, well yeah, but going forward it's yeah only I think I mean other than like

[00:03:12] the series finale which I've watched a couple times. Sunflowers I've watched two or three

[00:03:16] times. That's the Amsterdam episodes right? Yeah, yeah. Actually I don't even think I've watched

[00:03:22] that more than once. The series finale I know I've watched a number of times but yeah all

[00:03:29] the other episodes I think I've only watched once and it was the first the first viewing.

[00:03:34] So it's gonna be interesting going forward. Before we start I want to say that I learned

[00:03:46] to appreciate a little bit more even more so how much I love this show. It's been a rough

[00:03:53] couple days anxiety wise and allergy wise but that's besides the point. Benadro usually helps

[00:04:01] with that. But anxiety wise it's been a rough couple days and I kind of sensed it coming

[00:04:08] and so I kind of like did a pre-emptive strike against it to kind of like turn to some comfort

[00:04:15] stuff to kind of subdue it. And I still struggled with it a little bit but you know the two things

[00:04:21] I turned to when I was suffering the past couple days was I watched the original Pete's Dragon

[00:04:27] because I just adore that movie. I've never shown the kids that movie. That is my all time

[00:04:36] favorite Disney film is Pete's Dragon. That I've seen I remember watching that movie at

[00:04:42] nauseam when I was little. That in Robin Hood. Oh God. Ooh the lot. Robin Hood is my favorite.

[00:04:48] Robin it's great and sword in the stone. Sword in the Stone is another favorite of mine. Oliver

[00:04:53] and company is another favorite of mine. I saw that 19 times in the theater. Did you read Jesus?

[00:04:58] Well that was back when it was like a dollar to go to the movies so true but you know anyways back to

[00:05:04] your story. I watched Pete's Dragon and I watched Ted Lasso. I went and I watched I rewatched a

[00:05:11] couple episodes of Ted Lasso like some of my favorite episodes I rewatched the Christmas episode

[00:05:16] and I rewatched this finale. There's just so much good feeling that comes from this show.

[00:05:23] That's just it's just so helpful so it helped me again as I know it helped a lot of people

[00:05:30] when it first came on and it's still helping me to this day. So as we go into season three going

[00:05:37] forward after this episode, we're gonna need to start thinking about the show that we're gonna cover

[00:05:43] next. We got time. We have like 12 more episodes. Three months. Yeah but I want to bring this up.

[00:05:53] This is Alex. We did put the suggestion out there last week.

[00:05:59] You know that if people have ideas for shows they cover, you know let us know and Alex jumped

[00:06:05] right on it. He sent actually an email with a couple suggestions and I'll read them off to you

[00:06:11] because I didn't even read these to you. No? First I'm hearing about it. Yeah so I will I wanted

[00:06:17] to keep it you know for the podcast. So he said so the hardest thing with this request was

[00:06:25] fitting it into four categories. What do I think Ben and Kristen have already watched the full

[00:06:30] series of? I already watched the full series of so I can follow along and not skip this spoiler

[00:06:36] section which is good. What would make for good podcast rewatch, how would the two of you dissect

[00:06:42] shows and what hasn't already been tackled by podcastica which is another good thing because we

[00:06:49] do share this podcast with podcastica. Yeah and here's his list he says Grayson Frankie which I've

[00:06:56] never seen. Never saw it. Community. He said given how Dan Harmon set the series up every episode

[00:07:04] has amazing zingers and one liners but there's enough emotional depth sprinkled throughout that

[00:07:09] I can touch on your heart springs heartstrings. Number three the good place. I love that.

[00:07:16] Ben and Kristen discussing moral philosophy using one of the funniest Mike Shore properties

[00:07:21] apps of fork and loopley so that's the possible really love that idea. Yeah the way he puts that

[00:07:29] I kind of like that idea too and I've only watched that series once through me too I'm putting it

[00:07:35] on the list. So number five the wire. Yes yes he says Ben he says Ben after listening to your

[00:07:43] podcast with Chad Coleman because I did have Chad Coleman on will home I'm guessing you still haven't

[00:07:47] seen the show yet which I haven't but if you haven't show then you absolutely understand why it needs

[00:07:54] or should be it is without a doubt the best show I've ever seen the wire. Yes like well beginning to

[00:08:03] and I cannot say enough good things about that show. So let me put this to you so the first show

[00:08:08] that we covered was something we had both seen and loved yeah the second one we did was something

[00:08:14] we had both seen and loved but it was more recent maybe for the next show we approach it in a way

[00:08:20] that one of us has seen and the other one hasn't and that could be an interesting dynamic in discussing

[00:08:27] the series or we do a good the good place and you watch the wire. Wow we're watching the good place yeah

[00:08:34] that could be a possibility too because I have been begging anybody that would listen

[00:08:41] to do a podcast on the wire I want I love the wire it was so groundbreaking

[00:08:48] I mean at this time I mean it was made in the 90s right when when wire tapping was very very new

[00:08:57] and so the technology that we have today really contrasts what they were dealing with back

[00:09:06] in the 90s but at the same time it is just so well done and the characters are incredible

[00:09:13] and so many walking dead actors are on that show yeah I do know that every time in

[00:09:21] Idris Elba hello yeah well I mean I love that show so much sorry oh no it's fine like the wire

[00:09:31] eyes and deadwood are three HBO shows that have been on my radar for a long time it was not impressed

[00:09:37] with dead dead wood the way that everybody it was a good show solid show but I don't think

[00:09:41] that that's a show that would be like you have to watch deadwood you know what I mean yeah

[00:09:46] and then his last one he says better call Saul breaking bad I know Jason Rima and team did the

[00:09:52] final season of Saul but either show would be great to do because both of these are so beautifully

[00:09:56] built driven and ended I will not Alex I will not do breaking bad ever just ever just the subject

[00:10:05] materials hits way too close to home for me I tried it it glorifies it glorifies and romanticizes

[00:10:12] a lot of drug use today that frankly my sister my sister succumbed to eventually I mean she

[00:10:21] she was sober when she died but her chronic drug use maybe has to do with the way that she

[00:10:29] died I just I can't I can't I can't I get it I get it yeah and then he did throw a couple of

[00:10:34] honorable mentions he said number one the newsroom I'm never I've never even heard of that really really

[00:10:41] oh okay when we're done I have to show you a clip because it is the clip that sold me on the show

[00:10:47] and it is the very first scene in the entire show who's in it um is it Aaron sorkin it's Aaron

[00:10:54] sorkin yeah oh then I'm sold yeah uh he said Brooklyn 9.9 he said I know you both love it and for

[00:11:01] good reason it's freaking great but I don't know how well it would fit in the flow of revisited

[00:11:06] if anyone could do it it would be you too I would be like we could do it just before he said that

[00:11:11] I was literally a box that we could do it we didn't think Ted Lasso would fit either and we still

[00:11:16] took a chance on it and it works uh he says avatar the last airbender which I'm in the process of

[00:11:21] rewatching for the first time and there's so many podcasts that do that better I've never seen it um

[00:11:26] and then number four in his honorable mentions list was one I've actually brought up before

[00:11:30] because it's by the same producers as lost and that's once upon a time podcastica has done once

[00:11:37] upon a time they did mm-hmm it was with the first podcasts that was with uh the walking dead cast um

[00:11:46] it was before Jason really like opened up podcastica to other avenues I think that it was the once

[00:11:54] upon a time podcast the walking dead cast and under the comic covers I think that's it those

[00:12:00] were like three originals I never knew they did they did once upon a time podcastica knowledge

[00:12:07] the more you know those are some those are some really good suggestions I think

[00:12:13] I think the good place is a really strong contender yeah the good place in the wire I'm in

[00:12:18] and justified maybe I think the good place in the wire maybe that might be the next two

[00:12:24] that we do um and I think that's a good plan maybe I'll watch the wire as we're doing the good

[00:12:29] place so that I'm set to go and that way you have something happy to offset the wire

[00:12:35] yeah because you'll binge it I binge it is hard is is the wire Omar

[00:12:42] yeah Omar coming Omar coming I know that I know that actor sadly passed away but

[00:12:49] yeah last year I believe yeah I think so so was it last year of the year before he was incredible

[00:12:56] on that show incredible Idris Elba is incredible um the guy that played Julius from remember the

[00:13:05] Titans whose name is completely it's wood I think his name his first name is wood would Harris

[00:13:13] would her else whatever anyways he's great in it um thanks rightic isn't it oh yes he is so is um

[00:13:24] Seth seth Gilliam thank you seth Gillian I'm having I'm having trouble with names today um wood Harris

[00:13:30] Chad what Harris thank you I was I got it didn't I did I say wood Harris what Haroldson

[00:13:36] did you okay I if you did I missed it if I did I feel like a wizard but yeah uh Michael Kenneth

[00:13:42] Williams was Omar and he he passed away 2021 oh Michael B Jordan isn't it he's like really

[00:13:48] he's like 12 oh yeah it's on my list I mean it had me sold at Idris Elba I mean come on

[00:13:56] Idris Elba that I I could watch a movie with uh I could watch a buddy movie with Idris Elba playing

[00:14:03] partners with Idris Elba like and I'd be yep I'd be totally fine although I will say that I tried

[00:14:08] to watch Luther and I was not a fan um I don't know this would be the last thing I say about

[00:14:16] the whole Idris Elba thing and then we'll move on um during the pandemic I don't know if anybody

[00:14:21] else saw this but what everybody was in quarantine Idris Elba did a four and a half hour long DJ set

[00:14:30] yeah because he's a DJ with fat boy slim and I watched all four and a half hours of it that is

[00:14:38] awesome I I had it on like because I have dual monitors in my studio so I was working on one thing

[00:14:45] and I had the the set they kept swapping like Idris would do a little bit then fat boy slim would come

[00:14:50] out and do a little bit and I would I wonder if that's still on his Facebook page I wonder

[00:14:56] I did uh that's funny that you did that because I did happy hour with Samantha Ronson every day

[00:15:02] oh really yeah she uh she did outside it in like her outside backyard she did like a happy hour

[00:15:11] DJ set every single day and it was like the happiest part of my day it was wonderful I wonder

[00:15:18] I'm gonna have to do a deep dive on his Facebook page because that's where he did it it streamed

[00:15:22] live on his Facebook page I want to see if it's still on there because if it's still on there

[00:15:27] I may go back and revisit that uh revisit right that's why I said it uh but before um one more

[00:15:37] thing before we dive into the actual season finale is we mentioned last week you know Greg has

[00:15:42] been playing catch up with his voicemails so rather than save he's got two more he's got beard after

[00:15:48] hours and no weddings in a funeral that he sent us feedback for so rather than play them during the

[00:15:52] feedback section we're gonna play them now um and here and listen to those and then we're just

[00:15:58] gonna dive right into the finale and and cover all that so because there might be some good things

[00:16:04] he says in these that might play into our conversation so figure rather than save them let's play

[00:16:10] them now so let's start with uh Greg's feedback for beard after hours okay

[00:16:17] beard after hours I've been looking forward to this one and one of the reasons I have is because

[00:16:25] the basically every scene with Tieri Onri uh and the the imagination of of beard

[00:16:37] basically thinking of every insult that he could possibly every insult that he's thinking to himself

[00:16:43] he just puts it he manifests it in these announcers talking about him uh I

[00:16:52] I love it I mean I love the personification of self criticism um and especially when you could do

[00:17:00] it kind of comically uh it's not not as comical when someone is just talking to themselves uh but

[00:17:07] this was uh this was good um and you know you got like I said before you guys covered quite a bit

[00:17:13] and quite a bunch of great stuff on on the podcast but uh yeah this is I just I just wanted to

[00:17:20] talk about how good of a comedian of a physical comedian run hunt is he's just phenomenal

[00:17:27] I I love it and I can only imagine that Brendan Hunt was like oh what crazy shit can I

[00:17:34] you know can I volunteer to do as beard uh I know you talked about the the hula hooping and the

[00:17:40] skill of hula hooping um but uh yeah I thought it was great and uh moving on all right bye

[00:17:47] I just I want to see a video of Brendan Hunt hula hooping for just like and like an hour

[00:17:55] an hour that's a long time to ask somebody to hula hoop but I wonder if he could do it

[00:18:03] of course he can maybe I don't know I don't I'm sure he can if he can bring a hula hoop from

[00:18:09] his waist up to his neck and into his hand I'm pretty sure he can hula hoop for an hour

[00:18:13] it's so funny that you said that because that's exactly what I was picturing the moment you said

[00:18:17] that yeah is that move where it goes up his body to his neck and up his arm yep yep uh but let's go

[00:18:25] we got one more and then we'll move on to the finale this is Greg's feedback for no weddings and a

[00:18:29] funeral okay sort of caught up now uh no weddings and funeral uh I I agree with you guys I

[00:18:41] absolutely agree with you guys um and it's funny because I uh I didn't notice it until you

[00:18:47] guys had discussed it but um I don't think I realized that uh the salmon or beck not salmon

[00:18:56] or oboe the um the ted and rebeca events had perhaps happened on the exact same day

[00:19:05] uh I mean they were both at least on Friday the 13th but uh I was just I was like oh my god like

[00:19:15] what are you serious like this is yeah it's bonkers um and again I don't know that they're

[00:19:22] happening on the same day but it was still a very harrowing thing but but the the I think that I

[00:19:31] didn't notice how well it was put together and like uh assess how well it was directed in inner cut

[00:19:38] and all that until you guys talked about it and then I rewatched it and I was like oh my god like yeah

[00:19:43] I didn't it was so seamless the first time I watched it I was just like oh this is just the way

[00:19:48] that things go and you know this is just the way you put together a show it's just show that

[00:19:54] I love in a door um but yeah that was uh that was pretty pretty harrowing uh just to listen

[00:20:05] to both of their confessions or or whatever you want to refer to it as um and and you know the we

[00:20:14] kind of end on on a bit of of a high note uh you know and then that's just like the ending of positivity

[00:20:22] that's why I love the show even when it doesn't end positively and uh all right well

[00:20:32] on to the next one which I'm really looking forward to because yeah all right bye

[00:20:39] did you run out of things to say i think he did

[00:20:43] he's like he didn't know positive no yeah but uh yeah no but thank you for that Greg I appreciate

[00:20:52] you playing catch up with the uh the feedback as well yes although between these two feed these

[00:20:58] two voice mails and the two more that you left for this episode uh one including spoilers uh

[00:21:04] you've basically become our co-host of this episode so welcome Greg to the podcast

[00:21:10] welcome Greg

[00:21:12] welcome Greg

[00:21:13] we should have Greg on-door in season three

[00:21:16] thanks thanks a lot i'm glad to be here

[00:21:19] i can't i can't do that it's so deep like i cannot

[00:21:27] um real quick i just

[00:21:31] Greg needs to read bedtime stories like that needs to be a job that he does

[00:21:37] i was i was just reminded of a little outtake that you and i had last week

[00:21:46] that had us absolutely crying and i wish i had recorded yeah no i don't even what was it about

[00:21:55] it was you trying to say ballad of song bird and snakes oh my gosh yeah yep

[00:22:01] oh my god that's the hardest i've ever laughed i think i was crying i was still crying from

[00:22:07] that like 10 minutes later yeah it was basically Kristen just trying to say ballad of songbirds

[00:22:16] and snakes but almost like she had a stroke uh in the middle of it but the best part was

[00:22:24] i was just i was letting it go because i i knew she was probably just on time but she's just like

[00:22:30] so some ballad said what you just with that what questioning yourself i i lost it at that

[00:22:41] moment i had lost it yeah oh we did not you did not return very easy it's 21 minutes into

[00:22:47] this podcast i haven't even talked about teblas so yeah well we covered some other stuff so now

[00:22:52] we're gonna get into the actual season finale talk so obviously before we do that if this is a

[00:22:58] first time we skipped forward welcome to the podcast yeah um but if you if this is your first time

[00:23:05] watching Ted Lasso and you want to avoid the spoilers just check the show notes because there will be

[00:23:09] a little bit of spoiler talk as we go forward i don't know how much but the i i have a couple things

[00:23:15] that i'm going to make sure to mention uh so just check the show notes to find out when to come

[00:23:21] back for uh favorite quotes and feedback but let's dive into it let's dive into it inverting the pyramid

[00:23:27] of success um season finale of season two i'm gonna hold off on the whole Nate stuff okay i do want to

[00:23:38] start off by saying that Beard's book which was inverting the pyramid of success the soccer book um

[00:23:45] he has been reading that often on i think we see him reading it like in the first episode

[00:23:50] on the plane and at this point in the finale it is all kinds of tabbed up there's like a hundred

[00:23:57] different colored tabs um around his book so it's nice to see that you know um Beard hasn't changed

[00:24:05] and he is constantly working on being better as a coach um so that was like my first note that i had

[00:24:14] well it's funny that you bring that up too because i do have a note in here too about Beard actually

[00:24:19] reading uh in inverting the pyramid but a couple other things i noticed too is we've talked about it

[00:24:25] in the past from what we've noticed but i notice it even more instinctively in this is looking at

[00:24:31] different coaching styles you know um i mean obviously we have Ted appall like making an

[00:24:39] apology to the team about everything that's happening so he's very forthcoming and upfront with

[00:24:44] the entire team but even right before the game you know it just looking at the stark differences in

[00:24:50] coaching styles between Nate and Roy. Nate is in the office and he doesn't leave the office

[00:24:57] Roy is in the locker room he's in the locker room pumping up the team he's fist bumping all the players

[00:25:04] going around pumping them up because he's a player yes but he like these are two really good stark

[00:25:12] differences in coaching styles right between these people Beard and Ted they're the they're the

[00:25:19] captains i mean they are there's a reason why they they're in the office but they even go out

[00:25:26] into the locker room time the time right Nate the team is an object to him at this point

[00:25:33] he they're not players he's not on the team at this point no he's not well i mean look i know that

[00:25:39] you said you want to save it but i mean if we're talking about anything in this episode

[00:25:43] we are talking about the fact that Nate has not only uh separated himself from the coaching staff by

[00:25:51] his attire but he you can completely tell that he has lifted himself out he is done with aFC

[00:26:00] Richmond from the beginning of this episode he all right fuck it we're just going to talk about

[00:26:06] so sorry no it's fine you know what it's hard not to it's the elephant in the room for this

[00:26:12] episode it really is um he he has you're right he has removed himself from aFC Richmond and I think

[00:26:20] we can talk about this now because we mentioned it in spoilers leading up to this point but now

[00:26:25] we've gotten to a point where we know how this episode ends right there is the conversation with

[00:26:30] Rupert at the funeral where he whispers into Nate's ear and the more I watch this the more I start to think

[00:26:39] that you're you're absolutely right in something that you said earlier in an earlier episode might

[00:26:46] have even been last week where Nate Rupert was using Nate as a weapon against aFC Richmond yes

[00:26:55] against Rebecca in particular you're right but use but you know throwing a bad apple into the

[00:27:03] bunch and using Nate as that bad apple like he you know he knew Rupert knew what he was doing

[00:27:12] into me this he corrupted Nate in telling him probably in whispering in his ear you are better

[00:27:20] than they then they then they make you feel Ted has done nothing to help you Ted is abandoned you

[00:27:27] you're you're wasting your talent with this team you know and I might have something for you

[00:27:34] you never what you had never won a game you won all the games everything that Nate says to Ted at the

[00:27:40] end I don't think that Nate really thought those thoughts up no this is this is like the devil on

[00:27:51] your shoulder yeah like Rupert might as well be behind him going yeah yeah keep going keep going

[00:27:57] don't forget this part oh don't forget this part you know yeah well I mean I think that's basically

[00:28:02] it I think this is Rupert whispering in his ear while he's talking to Ted um you know while anybody

[00:28:08] that's been I'm so sorry go ahead anybody that's been in an abusive relationship knows the

[00:28:14] markers of an abuser and I mean I don't care how charming and rich um Rupert is Rupert is an

[00:28:22] abusive man he's not physically abusive but the mental and emotional abuse that he puts people

[00:28:28] through is just as um what's the word I'm looking for is just as damaging damaging

[00:28:37] thank you is just as damaging um and make no mistake that's what he's doing with Nate is what he

[00:28:45] couldn't do he couldn't penetrate Rebecca anymore and he and that was his favorite thing to do I

[00:28:51] mean he tore down Rebecca during their marriage during your 12 year marriage he made her into this

[00:28:57] subservient sniveling uh uh uh uh co-dependent woman and Rebecca has risen above that with the people

[00:29:06] that she's put around her a lot of that has to do with Ted a lot of that has to do with Ted um

[00:29:13] but he saw at the funeral that he couldn't get through to her anymore she has risen so far above his

[00:29:23] abuse that it's not fun for him anymore so how can he penetrate um Rebecca now well obviously is

[00:29:33] to kill the team how can I kill the team well Nate looks like he's a weak link in all of this

[00:29:38] I'm gonna go after him and see if I can poison the team that way yeah yeah you're right he

[00:29:44] he immediately once his target was off of Rebecca directly his attention diverged to a new target

[00:29:51] and it's basically he is the witch Ted and Rebecca are snow white and Nate has become the poison

[00:29:58] apple yes very good yes yes and and he is handing what looks like a juicy apple but is really poison

[00:30:08] and that's where Nate comes in and he has converted Nate into he he has he has infected Nate so much

[00:30:17] with false positivity that it has corrupted Nate and Nate has ended up basically putting himself

[00:30:27] on a pedestal above everybody else nobody has put Nate on a pedestal other than Nate

[00:30:34] Nate has done it Rupert hasn't even done it he has just given him a the proper amount of false

[00:30:43] accomplishment that Nate has done it himself he has built this pedestal he's put him on

[00:30:49] yeah but when Nate doesn't realize and won't realize until next season is that

[00:30:55] this is a very shoddy built pedestal um well and did you see it's gonna crash one of the last shots

[00:31:03] of the of the show is Rupert again whispering in Nate's ear yeah yeah it's the devil and it's

[00:31:10] the devil on your shoulder he's going to continue to fill him with this false sense of entitlement

[00:31:16] and an accomplishment to keep Nate feeling the way he feels yeah even though Nate is he's not

[00:31:24] these things that he believes he is mm-hmm I mean and it's it's gonna be an interesting journey

[00:31:29] for Nate next season because he's you know I don't want to say too much but he's gonna go

[00:31:35] he's on a journey yeah he's on a journey and it's a journey that not a lot of people are okay with

[00:31:44] not a lot of people or yeah I mean there are some people it becomes very decisive by the end

[00:31:48] of the season how people feel about Nate what did I say decisive oh divisive yes that's what I meant

[00:31:56] yeah there's a I'm stupid there's a lot of people that are split on their feelings for

[00:32:02] Nate by the end of the season yeah we know it was some friends last night and we started talking

[00:32:07] about this because they're big lousyle fans as well and I said yeah I'm preparing for the season two

[00:32:12] finale and blah blah blah and we all talked about the fact that like none of us none of us

[00:32:17] ever came back on Nate I did I know when we get to the end of season three that's gonna be a good place

[00:32:27] a good conversation between you and I because yeah I did come back around on Nate again not saying too

[00:32:34] much for people that haven't watched but yeah there's it's people are split on on the feeling of

[00:32:41] Nate by the end of this series right so we'll see how it is but you know we talk about everything

[00:32:49] with Nate and we talked about everything leading up to the season watching it from an analysis

[00:32:54] perspective as to who was really to blame you know is Ted at fault is Nate at fault who where does

[00:33:01] the fault lie and you know the conclusion we basically came to up until this point is that yes

[00:33:06] there is fault from other people yes Ted is to blame for some of this he's not completely the blame

[00:33:12] it's not all on Nate but it is not all on Ted either right but the fault does lie with other people

[00:33:22] it's something that we didn't see until revisiting the series however that being said in that moment

[00:33:30] where Nate and Ted confront each other about this and I have a clip we're gonna play it

[00:33:37] because I feel like we need to hear it I'm just gonna play the clip so this is the actual

[00:33:45] the final I'm gonna call it the final confrontation even though it's not it is for the season

[00:33:50] the final confrontation between Nate and Ted. Hey Nate. Hey. Everything okay

[00:34:00] Yes Ted everything is okay

[00:34:08] What is it? What I do

[00:34:12] What are you talking about? Oh come on man your man has helped me I just want to know why

[00:34:16] Huh what have I got to learn here

[00:34:20] You wanted to read it? Yeah please

[00:34:23] Okay I'll tell you what you did

[00:34:30] You made me feel like I was the most important person in the whole world

[00:34:35] and then you abandoned me

[00:34:40] Like switch out of light just like that

[00:34:43] And I worked my ass off trying to get your attention back

[00:34:48] to prove myself to you

[00:34:51] To make you like me again

[00:34:54] But the more the more I did the less you cared it's like I was fucking invisible

[00:35:00] Haven't even got the photo I gave you for Christmas up in your office just picture of dumb Americans

[00:35:05] And now you're gonna play Nate's false knife or when the team fuck up which they will

[00:35:09] Okay, he can blame it on me. Well no fuck that

[00:35:15] Everybody loves you

[00:35:18] The great Ted Lasse Roy I think you're a fucking joke

[00:35:22] Without me you wouldn't want a single match on the woodish ship your ass back to Kansas where you're fucking belong with your with your son

[00:35:27] You sure as hell don't belong here

[00:35:33] I do I belong here

[00:35:37] This didn't just fall into my lap right I earned this and now you didn't know

[00:35:42] And about until you how important you were me enough. I'm sorry about that. No, no, you're not your full of shit

[00:35:47] Just fuck you Ted

[00:35:50] All right

[00:35:53] So all Rupert's words okay

[00:35:56] Yes

[00:35:58] So I want to save my peace and then I'll let you say your peace because I yes

[00:36:02] Watched your face as that clip was playing and I'm like oh Kristen's got some of the same words I do

[00:36:07] um

[00:36:08] So as I said like leading up to this we we knew other people to were to blame this wasn't just all Nate thinking negatively

[00:36:17] Right so going into this I was like okay

[00:36:20] It's gonna be so interesting for me to watch that moment again and see how I feel

[00:36:26] Watching that moment again

[00:36:29] Still fucking pissed off at Nate. Yes still hated Nate even knowing Ted was to blame for some of it

[00:36:37] Hmm, I still wanted to punch Nate square in his face

[00:36:42] Stupid face is stupid face

[00:36:46] The the line that really made me angry like leading up to this

[00:36:52] Is when he says and I watched your reaction what it said was you don't even have the picture

[00:36:57] I gave you on your desk. It's just a picture of dumb Americans

[00:37:01] That says fucking family this family you moron

[00:37:06] You really think you are bigger than his family in that is inflated ego

[00:37:14] If I just and it you know for any shrewd watcher

[00:37:18] We all know that no weddings in a funeral that pictures on his dresser at home

[00:37:25] Yeah

[00:37:27] Yeah, that says something to me but he's not a personable man Nate you know

[00:37:34] I mean we haven't seen his house ever have we we haven't seen where he lives

[00:37:38] We don't until next season right so we don't know like what's at your house Nate do you have anything at your house

[00:37:44] Do you live like a monk do you

[00:37:46] You know

[00:37:47] Have pictures on the walls or anything like that

[00:37:51] Well, I mean, and it's interesting that you say that because you're right that picture is on his dresser at home

[00:37:57] Which is probably where he spends the other half of his time

[00:38:01] So the picture of his family on his desk at aFC Richmond is to remind him why he did this why he went to Europe

[00:38:09] Why he took this job the pictures that are at home are his reminders are the things he loves while

[00:38:15] He's there. Yeah, cuz he has dark moments at home when he's by himself

[00:38:20] And that is a really positive moment from his time in London

[00:38:25] Yeah, and Nate you're right Nate doesn't see that

[00:38:29] He doesn't think about the things he can't see it's only what's visibly in front of him

[00:38:34] Mm-hmm

[00:38:35] He doesn't he's no more than a surface thinker but he wants the status

[00:38:41] More than anything

[00:38:42] That's why he wanted the window table at taste of Athens. That's why he wanted the nice the nice suit

[00:38:47] That's why he didn't want anybody to know that Ted gave him the suit or that he used to be a kit man

[00:38:54] You know, he looks down on the kit man now that he's a big tough coach

[00:38:58] You know he wants the status but he wants the status without the work

[00:39:03] And okay you earned what man you were a kit man

[00:39:07] You would have always been a kit man you never would have been a coach if it wasn't for Ted

[00:39:12] Ever

[00:39:14] In my role

[00:39:15] No, you're not wrong at all and I said the same thing upon first watch and I said it upon this watch is

[00:39:20] You're right like when he says you wouldn't have won these games if not for me

[00:39:26] Okay, you wouldn't be the assistant coach if not for Ted

[00:39:31] And even when they try and even when they tried to give him the coach position with the whistle and everything

[00:39:38] He went off on Rebecca and nobody said a word

[00:39:43] Oh, yeah, that's right

[00:39:45] He did he we saw it very early like there. There has been some

[00:39:51] Indicators along the way as to the kind of person then they is and that was one of them

[00:39:56] Yeah, absolutely, you're right

[00:39:59] So I don't know I mean him wearing you know, we see him at the beginning of of the whole series and

[00:40:05] Ted's out there on the field and he just wants to like get a sense of Nelson road, right?

[00:40:10] And what does what does Nate do

[00:40:12] Comes out get off the field get off the field. Oh my gosh

[00:40:15] You got to give respect to the field and respect to the shoes and respect to this

[00:40:19] Like he is all about that by the end of by by this episode. He's in a suit

[00:40:24] With dressy shoes and he was on the field like he was walking on that grass in the wrong shoes

[00:40:31] He has completely lost sight of

[00:40:34] What he loves the most which is the game of football

[00:40:37] Well, not only that but I think even even going into like going back to his coaching style and things like that

[00:40:44] Like he he says during that speech like

[00:40:47] You know you're gonna run this false nine you're gonna run my false nine and when it fails which it will

[00:40:53] So he already has no confidence in this team whatsoever

[00:40:56] Um, you're gonna put the blame on me. Well fuck that

[00:40:58] Well, you know if you look at the timeline of this episode and the false nine in particular

[00:41:04] When they go in and they say that they're gonna the run the false nine

[00:41:09] Before Ted's even in the room Nate says under his breath will you be fools not to

[00:41:14] He doesn't say it under his breath

[00:41:16] Well, he says it he says it without Ted in the room

[00:41:19] No Ted and Ted and Beard looked at each other like

[00:41:22] Oh, no, that's right Ted wasn't yeah. It was an uncomfortable moment

[00:41:26] Yeah, that's right Ted was in the room. He said it

[00:41:28] He says you'd be fools not to but then later on when he sees it's not working

[00:41:33] He not only doesn't have confidence in the team

[00:41:36] I think he loses a little bit of confidence in himself

[00:41:39] You think so because I don't

[00:41:41] Well, because okay, so maybe it's not that he loses confidence in himself

[00:41:45] He

[00:41:46] Automatically goes into this mindset where oh well

[00:41:49] I'm gonna take the blame if this doesn't work

[00:41:52] Which is so funny because what was it like a week a week before that two weeks before that

[00:41:57] Um, he was going on and on and on about the fact that you know when it works

[00:42:01] You know who's gonna get all the credit and you know

[00:42:03] And then Beard's like well if it doesn't work who gets all the blame Nate yeah, he does

[00:42:08] Well, we talked about that last week right but but

[00:42:11] He has lost sight of everything

[00:42:15] Well, and I think what it is is that when you talk about status and

[00:42:20] The status that Nate wants I think it is because Nate has put himself on such a high as of a pedestal

[00:42:27] That the reason why he has switched his thinking from

[00:42:30] You know

[00:42:31] When Beard says who's gonna take the blame when it doesn't work as Ted

[00:42:35] The reason why Nate thinks he's gonna take the blame if it doesn't work

[00:42:40] Is because putting himself in that suit and coming up with these plays

[00:42:45] Nate's already in the mindset. He's the head coach

[00:42:48] Oh 100% and he wants that to be known on the field in front of the cameras too

[00:42:55] Yeah

[00:42:56] But it's funny after that speech Ted when when when they make that goal when Sam makes that goal

[00:43:03] Ted goes back and he tries to bring Nate into it into the celebration

[00:43:08] And Nate is just pouting like a child

[00:43:11] Well, not only that but Roy does the same thing like when you know Roy's patting him on the shoulder

[00:43:16] Like he's congratulating him. They're all acknowledging that this is Nate's play

[00:43:21] This is all Nate's doing yeah the only person not acknowledging it at that point is Nate

[00:43:27] He's written it off so I think

[00:43:30] I think that Nate

[00:43:32] Wanted the team to spectacularly fail so it would have been easier for him to leave

[00:43:39] Um, you know, he was the leak about

[00:43:41] Ted's anxiety right instead of Ted getting angry and lashing out and trying to find who

[00:43:48] who the uh

[00:43:49] The tattle tale was or whatever and maybe Nate was trying to get fired so that he would be like well they got rid of me

[00:43:55] Though though rue the day they got rid of me, you know

[00:43:59] Nate or Ted

[00:44:01] Ted approaches the whole thing head on

[00:44:04] Talk he talks to the cut it talks to the team. He apologizes to the team

[00:44:08] He makes that really great choice uh speech about choices where

[00:44:13] It's he's not acting like it has affected him or his witch hunt to find the

[00:44:20] The mole so to speak right and Nate is affected by that and Nate's affected by that because I think Nate expected

[00:44:28] Him to explode for him to

[00:44:31] Rat out the the source and to kick him off the team and get angry and to to prove once and for all that Ted is the

[00:44:38] Bad guy that that Nate only Nate sees

[00:44:42] But that didn't work and it backfired and I think you're right

[00:44:45] I think

[00:44:46] Because there's another moment in this episode too and we'll

[00:44:50] We'll talk about it a little bit deeper as we go forward because it's actually a really funny moment

[00:44:54] But there's a point leading up to it that happens where I think you're right

[00:44:57] I think Nate is honestly glutton for punishment. Hmm. I think he really spit on his face

[00:45:04] I think he does want to be punished and it's weird, but you know in there's the moment where

[00:45:11] Roy is talking about

[00:45:13] You know where where Roy becomes a a diamond dog finally which we'll talk about that a little bit later

[00:45:20] But when you know he talks about how Jamie says it and I wanted to punch him

[00:45:24] But I forgave him

[00:45:26] You know and then Nate admits to Roy I kissed keely

[00:45:31] And Roy's like it's it's okay Nate. We're good. And he's like well if anybody should be headbutted

[00:45:35] It's me like he wants Roy to punish him

[00:45:38] He wants a reason to leave the team I think he wants to be able to go to the media and talk about the hostile environment

[00:45:46] That is that team and he can't and it frustrates him

[00:45:51] Until he finally rips that sign down which pisses me off even more

[00:45:56] Right, but that is out of anger for the fact that he can't penetrate this very solidified team that he has chosen

[00:46:04] To extract himself from

[00:46:07] Hmm

[00:46:08] And so I think that that's what this culmination of anger is is that

[00:46:13] Everything he thought that he could do or that maybe even Rupert told him to do

[00:46:18] Is not working

[00:46:20] He cannot poison the team. He tried he tried and it only did the team stronger

[00:46:26] And closer

[00:46:28] Well even in that moment because you talk about the ripping of the sign which is such a sad moment to see that

[00:46:33] But like in that moment where macadu steps through the team and he puts his hand up on the side and everybody joins him

[00:46:39] Which is such a great moment moment of this series

[00:46:43] It is if you look in the background

[00:46:47] Everybody is on board

[00:46:49] Nate is glancing to the side as we actually backed it up because I said did you see Nate's face and Dave's like no

[00:46:54] And I said back it up when we back to the after we paused it and I'm like look at his face as in like he's

[00:47:00] Disgusted by this he is absolutely he's embarrassed for them

[00:47:05] Yeah, which I don't like there's no reason to be embarrassed for it

[00:47:09] But the fact that you're right he's in he's he's disgusted by this because he realizes that's what he can't break

[00:47:17] Their belief their belief and that's why he tears the sign

[00:47:22] He tears it in half and leaves it on Ted's desk

[00:47:26] That's the bigger insult to it is the fact that he puts it on Ted's desk

[00:47:30] Mm-hmm and leaves it there for him to see yeah, I mean but it's like

[00:47:36] I guess maybe I can see how and and I'm just gonna play devil's advocate for like one

[00:47:42] one thing just one

[00:47:45] In this episode

[00:47:46] Is that if you're already really really angry and you're looking for fault in

[00:47:51] In somebody like Ted and Ted is really genuinely trying to just

[00:47:58] Keep Nate a part of this master plan to get back into the premiere league

[00:48:04] I can see how he thinks how Nate thinks because his mind has been twisted and brainwashed by Rupert and by his own self-loving

[00:48:12] um

[00:48:13] That

[00:48:14] Ted is trying to

[00:48:16] Pin a failure on Nate. I can see that I can see how you can be so poisoned in your mind and so paranoid

[00:48:24] That that that is the impression that you get fine. I get that but on the other hand

[00:48:32] Ted is trying really hard to get his life back together now that he has gone to therapy

[00:48:38] He's addressed his anxiety. He's addressed the things that have happened to him

[00:48:42] To make him into the person he is today with dr. Sharon and

[00:48:46] You see him actively trying to keep his team rally to round him and that includes Nate

[00:48:53] So for everything that

[00:48:55] Ted has done to Nate and I'm using that in quotations air quotes to Nate

[00:49:01] um

[00:49:02] It's because Ted has just he's been dealing with so much of his own stuff that goes beyond him just being away from his family

[00:49:10] You know dr. Sharon

[00:49:14] On the team for this whole season

[00:49:17] has been

[00:49:18] This huge healing experience for Ted

[00:49:22] And Nate has not had that healing experience because he hasn't sought out dr. Sharon

[00:49:28] He never saw dr. Sharon not once

[00:49:31] and I wonder what

[00:49:33] Things would be like if maybe everybody had been required to go to dr. Sharon

[00:49:40] During the season

[00:49:41] I don't know that's that's a good observation

[00:49:43] I don't know if they did make it a requirement, you know

[00:49:47] How things would have changed but you do bring up a very good point to and it's something that I didn't even really consider

[00:49:52] Is that all of this is happening

[00:49:54] You're right Ted has had so much to deal with in his own life

[00:49:58] you know

[00:50:00] Pretty much his entire time since he's been there

[00:50:04] But throw in the fact that Trent crimson's article is published and all of England knows

[00:50:11] Now that Ted has panic attacks and that and you know, you look at what Ted went through that day

[00:50:19] Leaving the bar look well

[00:50:20] It might have been a matter of a couple days

[00:50:22] but

[00:50:23] Leaving his own home to paparazzi which is probably the first time that has happened yep

[00:50:28] Everybody on the street that he is walking down has a copy of that paper or one of the papers with that article

[00:50:35] Yeah, and everybody is asking are you okay? Are you sure do the job

[00:50:41] You know the people that are on sky sports one are talking about it everybody is addressing

[00:50:47] This huge revelation in Ted's life

[00:50:50] That doesn't matter to Nate

[00:50:53] No, this is this is a point in Ted's life where he has to deal with more shit than he ever has yeah

[00:51:01] And that just is the selfishness of Nate and his right

[00:51:06] He doesn't see what Ted goes through in his own life. It's all what matters to Nate

[00:51:11] Right and honestly, I mean coming from somebody who teaches you know teenagers

[00:51:16] It's a very juvenile and immature way to look at life

[00:51:20] Because that is what teenagers do teenagers are

[00:51:24] Very self-absorbed they only see their life through their own lens

[00:51:28] They don't know how to look at different perspectives

[00:51:31] It is not until you're older and you're taught how to do this that you really understand that not everything is about you

[00:51:38] And it's almost like he's been emotionally stunted

[00:51:42] Somewhere along the lines he was told that he wasn't worth more than a kit man

[00:51:47] And he should never go for it and then somebody gave him they yes

[00:51:50] You are worth more than a kit man

[00:51:53] And then that that immaturity in the overflated sense

[00:51:57] um

[00:51:58] Of the over overflated ego

[00:52:02] combines into this really toxic

[00:52:05] Personally that that Nate took on and Rupert jumped on

[00:52:11] Well, it's even like I mentioned episodes ago with with Keely and Rebecca

[00:52:15] Giving him like these confidence boosts that Nate as a personality was just not ready for he was not mature

[00:52:23] Enough or emotionally grown enough to handle this kind of a confidence boost

[00:52:28] He didn't know how to handle it properly

[00:52:31] And that plays into the whole toxicity of everything as well

[00:52:35] But you mentioned, you know, this whole

[00:52:37] Childish mentality of someone who was never really emotionally supported and

[00:52:42] Again without going to spoiler

[00:52:44] Spoilery we're going to find out a lot about that in Nate's past

[00:52:49] But we've sat in a little bit of that already. We've seen how his dad is toward him

[00:52:54] We've seen that as mom over that true

[00:52:57] We've seen that we've seen Nate come

[00:53:00] Come home and to have breakfast with his family and his dad could not be more bored

[00:53:07] With the fact that he's all over the news after a really good win

[00:53:11] Yeah, I forgot we did see that this season

[00:53:15] Yeah, so we did we we have already gotten some of that

[00:53:19] It's definitely going to be explored more next season but I mean we've seen it. We've seen

[00:53:24] I mean

[00:53:25] Reasons why Nate is the person that he is yeah

[00:53:29] And yeah, you know to see all this come to a head and blow up the way it does

[00:53:36] Again, I you know analyzing it more this time thinking like okay

[00:53:41] Maybe I'll think differently when I see this situation play out again. No

[00:53:45] I'm still just as pissed as Nate at Nate as I was the first time

[00:53:48] Oh so angry yeah the whole time

[00:53:50] I mean and just looking at him you're just like disgusted with him you're disgusted with and he's wearing

[00:53:56] The suit that he got with Keely which we know is

[00:54:01] Unbelievably overpriced

[00:54:03] But he's decided he wants everybody to see that he is wearing like a $5,000 suit or whatever it is you know

[00:54:10] Yeah

[00:54:11] Yeah, I mean he the fact that he just wears that

[00:54:15] I we've taught we've said this before the fact that he wears that when everybody else is wearing aFC Richmond colors

[00:54:21] He's already not on this team, but that's that's just the thing. I mean that when when Jamie

[00:54:28] Finally bonded with the team

[00:54:30] He said something that I believe is a real theme of the entire season of this entire season is that

[00:54:37] um

[00:54:38] Team mates should wear the same kit something I'm paraphrasing here and

[00:54:43] That's true they all wear the same kit the coaches wear the same kit the players wear the same kit

[00:54:50] Even even the kit man

[00:54:52] Where's the same kit? Yeah, well where's the kit too? Yeah, so

[00:54:57] As a former kit man and as somebody who has really who loves football the way that Nate loves football for him to refuse

[00:55:07] To be a part of the team in a kit sort of way

[00:55:11] Is very telling of what's going on with him from the beginning

[00:55:15] I mean we saw this went the from the first time like he was wearing the suit

[00:55:18] But he was still wearing the jacket over the suit like he was still kind of a part of the team

[00:55:22] And then all of a sudden the jacket disappeared and he was just wearing the suit. Yeah

[00:55:27] Yeah, I mean like look I

[00:55:30] I look at it this way and I think this is just coming from personal experience anytime I played a sport

[00:55:36] I was psyched to get the jersey. Oh

[00:55:39] It's like the best day of practice when you when you get the jersey and you realize

[00:55:45] I'm on this I am on this team and even like when you look at baseball and the baseball coaches

[00:55:51] They wear baseball uniform

[00:55:53] Well, it's one of the reasons why fans buy jerseys and wear jerseys to games because you want to be a part of the team

[00:55:58] You want to be part of the team and you say we're gonna win. We're gonna beat you. We are doing this. Yeah

[00:56:05] I think I didn't I didn't even tell you this yet

[00:56:08] I ordered an AFC Richmond kit finally. That is amazing with with the black mark across

[00:56:14] Well, no, I ordered the I ordered a coaching kit. No, no

[00:56:18] I'm just saying like I love that scene with Sam and he sees that all of those boys are playing with Obesania jerseys

[00:56:25] We're gonna talk about that right

[00:56:27] But one of them was wearing one that they had actually put the tape over

[00:56:32] You know, so it's just

[00:56:34] It just furthers my point

[00:56:37] That

[00:56:38] The team wears the same kit. Yeah

[00:56:41] Nate decided halfway through this season

[00:56:44] He wasn't on the team anymore. Yeah, he hasn't been a member of this team for a while

[00:56:48] but he just needed a

[00:56:50] direction

[00:56:52] He didn't want to be there anymore

[00:56:54] Rupert gave him the help

[00:56:58] I know I could be totally wrong. I think you're right and I mentioned this before

[00:57:04] This has been the devil on your shoulder situation with Rupert

[00:57:07] Rupert saw an opportunity to weasel his way in

[00:57:10] And he did and it shows

[00:57:13] By the end of the episode in that the final scene

[00:57:17] Is that Nate is the new head coach of West Ham United

[00:57:20] Rupert's new team

[00:57:23] What a dick move

[00:57:26] On so many levels like on so many levels what a dick move first of all Rupert is setting Nate up for failure

[00:57:34] West Ham

[00:57:36] Isn't that like a huge team yeah, it's a huge team they're like

[00:57:41] Usually towards the top of the the standings every season you don't like he

[00:57:47] That it's just does he want to fail does Rupert want to fail does he think that he's going to succeed with Nate

[00:57:55] I think I'm being honest. I'm being honest here

[00:57:58] I know and I know you are and I think he does because why would he make him head coach

[00:58:03] Because he wants to get one over on Rebecca so is he is he just acting really short-sighted or does he have like a grand plan here

[00:58:13] Because he does well that's for spoilers

[00:58:16] We're gonna talk about that in spoilers. Yeah, so I mean

[00:58:20] There's a lot to break down with Nate in this episode and I think we I think we did a pretty decent job

[00:58:24] I think so and I have more for spoilers with that um can I go to

[00:58:30] Um a theme

[00:58:32] Sure the episode yeah, because I think that the the theme really encapsulates a lot of our characters

[00:58:39] And that is the choices that we make you know this the theme is very in your face

[00:58:44] It's very it's set up beautifully with Ted talking to the team about

[00:58:49] We are the choices that we make and I think that that is such

[00:58:53] Good advice for everybody everybody we can make any choice that we want and

[00:58:59] And we are given the choices and depending on who we are

[00:59:04] We kind of say who we are by the choices that we make you know any and he's speaking to Nate in that moment

[00:59:10] Um

[00:59:11] But he's also speaking to the team he's speaking to himself blah blah blah, but when you look at that

[00:59:15] When you look at choices that were made big huge choices that were made throughout this episode you have

[00:59:21] um

[00:59:23] Of course Nate Nate made the choice to leave duh okay. That's out of the way

[00:59:27] We've got Ted Ted made the choice to confront this article head on with the team and

[00:59:33] To start off his after game press conference by addressing the article right away

[00:59:39] And and I want to make quick mention of this too that one of the things I love about not only this series

[00:59:45] But the cast and crew and the writers the creators of this series is that when that happened after when season two ends with that press conference

[00:59:54] And Ted

[00:59:55] Makes it a talking point about addressing

[00:59:59] anxiety and mental health in sports

[01:00:02] This is the reason why the cast and crew of Ted lasso visited the White House

[01:00:08] After that they made it a real life topic

[01:00:12] They don't into that

[01:00:14] Yeah, and what's interesting is that I was just reflecting on this last night

[01:00:18] I'm so glad that you brought this up because

[01:00:20] It's 2024 now and this would this aired in 2021 and

[01:00:27] We've come so far

[01:00:29] Since since this episode because now we do talk about mental health and mental health awareness so much more

[01:00:37] Then we used to even three years ago

[01:00:40] So many people have come forward since not just Ted lasso but

[01:00:44] And I think the the pandemic and the quarantine really shined a brighter light

[01:00:50] On it 100% so many people now address and confront and admit

[01:00:57] anxiety and depression and

[01:01:02] Yeah, you're right. We've come a long way

[01:01:05] Because even this is in just three years right because I'm watching this and I'm like wow

[01:01:10] This seems so normal now

[01:01:12] And it's only a few years removed and I remember thinking the first time I watched this was

[01:01:17] I'm so glad that they're bringing this up. This is so important

[01:01:22] Yeah, and we're just a few years past that and

[01:01:25] It was regarded as so important and here we are and we talk about it more openly now which is great

[01:01:32] Yeah, I started this episode talking about my past couple days this week exactly

[01:01:38] With exactly more people are open about it and and address it and you're right

[01:01:42] Yes, and I think that's wonderful. Yeah, I agree

[01:01:46] Going

[01:01:48] Going a little bit further with choices. We have Roy and Keely have both kind of made choices by the end of this episode

[01:01:55] I have a real big problem with the Roy and Keely. I know subplot

[01:01:59] So I'm just going to say they both do make choices

[01:02:02] Keely's going to go and work on starting her her PR firm Roy is going to go

[01:02:10] On his island. I'd I forget where they're going my work. Well, he doesn't think I don't think he goes

[01:02:14] He leaves the tickets behind oh, that's right

[01:02:18] Um

[01:02:19] For six weeks. That's the plan right

[01:02:21] um

[01:02:22] And the choices that they're making it's so weird to me that Roy thinks that oh are we breaking up? Why

[01:02:29] Why would that be whatever I you know what we're going to talk about that later

[01:02:33] um

[01:02:33] We have Jamie and Danny

[01:02:36] Jamie decides and makes the choice not to do the game winning kick and he gives it to Danny

[01:02:42] I because he knows that Danny needs that

[01:02:46] I love that moment so much because how did this season start a dog died because of Danny Rojas

[01:02:54] Yeah, I knew dog has a helmet. I love that moment

[01:03:00] So much in this episode because it is not only a great moment for Danny

[01:03:07] but it is a

[01:03:09] huge

[01:03:11] education as to how much Jamie has grown yes in such a short amount of time yes

[01:03:19] Yes, that's the last so effect right there. Yep Ted lasso um

[01:03:25] And then you have

[01:03:27] Jamie and Roy in

[01:03:30] which

[01:03:32] Seriously

[01:03:33] Anytime that Jamie and Roy are Roy are together is just my favorite and next season we're getting like so much Jamie and Roy

[01:03:41] That I just can't even like I wish

[01:03:44] We could just start watching right now like right now this second um

[01:03:49] But I just love it when they're in the kit room and they're then they're talking to you

[01:03:53] And I the minute they walk into that room, I go where's Will?

[01:03:57] Will you know

[01:03:59] It's in a running joke that will is always in the room whenever they go into the kit room

[01:04:06] And I just love in this particular moment where he's like whoa

[01:04:10] I was just so

[01:04:12] stunned I couldn't move when you came in here. I get it. I wouldn't I'd be all know what do I do? How do I melt into the wall?

[01:04:20] And then and then Jamie gives his heart felt apology and Roy's just like

[01:04:26] And he just

[01:04:29] Because and I think that's like a great indicate that moment right there too is also a good indication

[01:04:35] Not only of Jamie's growth

[01:04:37] Because he could admit what he did was wrong and he knows he shouldn't have done it

[01:04:41] You'll never do it again, and not only does he admit it

[01:04:44] He's admitting it to the person he should be admitting it to

[01:04:48] Yes, both people because he's already said something to keely about it

[01:04:52] Now he's saying it to Roy the other person affected by this

[01:04:55] And the growth in Roy in that the old Roy would have just punched him

[01:05:00] Or had but in him

[01:05:01] Well and he did by the end

[01:05:03] He tossed he gives up the little headbutt at the end

[01:05:06] And then they got to celebrate because he's just like I had to do it. I'm sorry

[01:05:09] We'll do that for so I could do this

[01:05:12] Yeah, got it out of the way and now we're good

[01:05:15] And that's growth for Roy's point of view too

[01:05:18] Do you see how confused Jamie was too?

[01:05:20] Like his face when they're like jumping and dancing

[01:05:24] Yeah

[01:05:25] It's it's god I love it

[01:05:27] And then you have finally

[01:05:29] The last choice that was made was Sam Obasania's choice

[01:05:33] And the fall out of that

[01:05:36] and and the immediate validation of his choice

[01:05:41] immediate yep

[01:05:43] And I love to in that moment which we can we can talk a little bit about that because it's very quick

[01:05:49] So we can kind of talk about that now is one of my favorite moments you're right

[01:05:53] The immediate gratification in Sam just kind of smirking and knowing like yeah, I made the right choice

[01:06:00] Ted Lasso or you

[01:06:03] In that in in that whole like scene where like Sam Richardson is or Edwin Nicole Fu is like strangling the mannequin

[01:06:11] And fake shitting on it and everything it's so

[01:06:15] It's so childish

[01:06:17] But I love the fact that when you know

[01:06:21] To buy your child at home and then I'm going to burn it to the ground

[01:06:25] But I love in that when he when he goes right after Sam tells him no

[01:06:30] And he immediately goes into that childish tirade

[01:06:33] Sam's like medium talent

[01:06:35] Like that's the only thing that

[01:06:37] Fathers him is the fact that he called him in medium talent because Sam knows he's not a medium talent

[01:06:43] 100% knows his his his refrigerator has a television on it right. I think I have that same refrigerator

[01:06:50] Um yeah, Sam

[01:06:52] I mean, that's the great thing about Sam Obasania is that he's a great player and he knows it but he's not bragging

[01:06:57] Docious about it

[01:06:59] Well, he has an amazing father. Yeah, he knows his worth

[01:07:04] Mm-hmm

[01:07:06] You know and but he but he doesn't flaunt it

[01:07:10] He doesn't have to he proves it he proves it in his actions

[01:07:14] But going back to that moment that you mentioned earlier in the moment that when he finally does make the decision

[01:07:21] And it's right after that conversation with his father and his father tells him

[01:07:25] You know you wait for a sign from the universe and he immediately gets it

[01:07:30] And he sees all those play all those kids playing football on the you know on the field

[01:07:36] And he sees one of them is wearing the Obasania jersey with the black across the banter

[01:07:41] Um, that is a huge nod to invincible

[01:07:47] Um, yes

[01:07:49] Which is the Vince Papali movie with Mark Wallberg. I like that movie too

[01:07:54] Um, but that's a similar scene from invincible is when Vince Papali sees somebody playing on the street

[01:08:01] wearing his jersey

[01:08:03] Like it's a it's a sense of acknowledgement. Yeah

[01:08:06] yeah

[01:08:07] um

[01:08:08] I have a question because I didn't look too into it and maybe I should have

[01:08:13] Why did a kufu change Sam's number

[01:08:18] Oh

[01:08:20] What I don't did he I guess number was Sam's number is 24

[01:08:25] And I hope you don't mind that I picked your number for you and it was 10 it was 10. Yeah, I do remember that

[01:08:32] Um, I don't know. I don't know if there's a reason for it or not

[01:08:36] Why wouldn't like if because I know that an athlete's number is very special to them

[01:08:42] Well look it oh it hasn't happened yet never mind um

[01:08:46] Um

[01:08:47] So I don't I don't want to bring it up because there's a or wait

[01:08:51] I mean Kobe Bryant changed his number from 8 to 24

[01:08:54] For a reason he had to leave his old past behind that was a huge deal for him for him

[01:09:01] Michael Jordan will always be associated with the number 23. Yep

[01:09:06] Which is why LeBron James is such a tool

[01:09:08] Well look at Jackie Robinson Jackie Robinson will always be 61

[01:09:12] There's there's a reason why number 42

[01:09:16] 42 wait. Yeah, Jackie Robinson 42

[01:09:19] That was 60 who was the name of his movie is 42 42 you're right who was 61

[01:09:26] There's 61 as a number number and base is another number and baseball that's equally as important

[01:09:30] Um, I'm mind it I was probably just confusing

[01:09:34] players

[01:09:36] But my whole point is that numbers are very very important to an athlete. So it's interesting to me that he would change his number from 24 to 10

[01:09:46] Without like maybe it's just to show just how clueless he is about athletes about running a team owning a team

[01:09:54] You know, he's just a guy that likes to get whatever he wants. I don't know

[01:09:58] Oh, sorry 61 was the year that Roger Maris hit his 61st home run never mind. It's not a jersey number 42 is Jackie Robinson

[01:10:06] But no, I mean a small thing you did that you husband's gonna be so proud of me

[01:10:13] Um

[01:10:14] It yeah, and it's it you're right like jersey numbers are very important

[01:10:18] And I think that just as another indication that Edwin Akufu really didn't care as much as much about the game as he claimed he did

[01:10:26] I mean look the chopper is still sitting on the practice pitch

[01:10:30] In this episode who is the chopper?

[01:10:33] I know it's still sitting on the practice pitch

[01:10:37] Grass that means that grass has died

[01:10:41] Underneath yeah, yeah

[01:10:43] Yeah, so it's it's rude

[01:10:46] It's another good indication that just Akufu just did not have the love of the game that he claimed he did

[01:10:52] Um

[01:10:52] But yeah, jersey numbers are very important in sports. It's reasons why jersey numbers are retired

[01:10:57] Right, you know and when they're retired nobody ever wears them again

[01:11:02] Right. I mean Kobe Bryant's numbers have been retired in multiple

[01:11:07] Um

[01:11:09] Arenas yeah arenas oh, I think I think you're well actually no, I think Jordans were only in Chicago

[01:11:16] Yeah, well, I think maybe also in

[01:11:19] Washington cuz he's part of the wizard any play for the wizards too so

[01:11:24] um

[01:11:25] So maybe I think he changed his number when he played for the wizards. He wasn't 23 anymore. I think he was 44

[01:11:31] 45 well because of what it wouldn't be right. I mean

[01:11:35] He's 23

[01:11:37] Chicago forever

[01:11:38] Yeah, well you know unless you're LeBron James and you know you want to come in and

[01:11:43] Be

[01:11:44] Michael Jordan again. I don't know. I don't know why he chose 23 you know what I can't I can't

[01:11:50] Look I'm gonna say this and then I'm gonna leave it at this

[01:11:53] I know you have a love for Kobe and I do too like I think he's a an amazing he was an amazing player

[01:12:01] He still is one of the greatest

[01:12:03] Jordan will forever be number one for me like

[01:12:06] And that's okay as long as you don't say LeBron James. No, I don't say LeBron um

[01:12:12] But his but going back to Sam um

[01:12:17] I remember the first time I watched this I was so nervous about what he was gonna do

[01:12:20] Because I knew what a great opportunity that was for him to go and I'm just like no

[01:12:26] I love him so much he has to stay

[01:12:29] Well, I want to say too one of the other things that is is mentioned in that conversation with Sam and Akufu at the end when he tells him no

[01:12:37] And it seems like you can

[01:12:40] You can kind of see a change in Sam a little bit at this point is

[01:12:43] You know from what we know of Sam is that one of his ultimate dreams is to play for the Nigerian team

[01:12:49] Yes, and when Edwin tells him you will never play for the Nigerian team

[01:12:54] Sam's unaffected

[01:12:56] He he's not affected by this right because because he either won

[01:13:01] And it might be a little bit of both might be both column A and column B one. He doesn't believe that

[01:13:07] In his heart. He believes he will still play

[01:13:09] But even if what Edwin Akufu tells him is true

[01:13:13] He's okay

[01:13:15] Not having done it because of aFC Richmond

[01:13:19] Because he has a home with aFC Richmond

[01:13:21] Yeah, and because he

[01:13:24] I think he also know what like you said earlier. He knows his worth. He knows who he is

[01:13:29] And his family loves him his friends love him if he his teammates love him and for Sam

[01:13:35] That's all that really matters in his heart of hearts

[01:13:38] Yes, the people that he loves love him back

[01:13:42] That's it he doesn't need anything else

[01:13:44] Yeah, he has a dream but he also knows that all of your dreams can't come true

[01:13:49] And I think it's I think it was very important and very smart for the writers to have that moment at the end of the episode with Sam and Rebecca

[01:13:58] Hmm

[01:13:59] Because I'm sure it wasn't people's minds that is there a re is there

[01:14:03] Possibly a reason Sam is staying behind for Rebecca

[01:14:07] And because we know Sam still has feelings for Rebecca even though Rebecca ended things

[01:14:12] And Rebecca still has feelings for Sam even though they you know she rightfully called it off

[01:14:18] I'm sure there were a number of people that still had that we're questioning that as to his reasoning behind it

[01:14:24] And I like the fact that they addressed it and how they addressed it with Sam talking through Ted

[01:14:29] And not addressing him that I'm comfortable in that scene. It was hilarious

[01:14:35] But you know having Sam come up and say

[01:14:38] This is for me

[01:14:40] My journey here is not yet finished. I'd like to say it's because of you

[01:14:44] But it's not like I feel like it was very important and very good that they addressed that

[01:14:50] I just like it because Sam was just like I need to talk to Rebecca

[01:14:53] I don't know how to do this

[01:14:55] So I'm gonna talk to Ted

[01:14:57] Well, I love the fact that when Sam's like when when Ted was about to leave the room both Sam and Rebecca are like no

[01:15:03] No, no, no you you can stay

[01:15:05] Please stay

[01:15:08] Because

[01:15:09] Who knows what's gonna happen. There was so much tension created in that moment

[01:15:14] They did such a good job with that scene it was so good

[01:15:19] It's a fun it's a fun scene watching them do that yeah

[01:15:22] For Sam and you know Sam is also he's a player. He's not a coach or an owner

[01:15:27] So while he did have a relationship with Rebecca

[01:15:29] He still understands that there is a pecking water and that there is

[01:15:33] A hierarchy in this team and he respects it. He respects that boundary

[01:15:39] Immediately

[01:15:40] Yeah, my head coach is not gonna leave the room because a player has entered it. No. I am not better than my head coach period

[01:15:49] Well, I mean, yeah, and I agree with that

[01:15:52] I agree with that

[01:15:56] Let's I I couldn't remember I couldn't remember Sam Richardson's name

[01:16:01] And so I put my notes Sam slash dickhead

[01:16:06] Sorry, I had to share that before I crossed it out. It's funny how we have how we have some

[01:16:11] How we have some of our notes in here too um

[01:16:15] I know you have thoughts on it. So no, you just you say it first. I've been dominating this whole thing

[01:16:21] I was gonna say

[01:16:23] Let's talk about Roy and Keely

[01:16:26] That's why I said I know you have thoughts on it

[01:16:29] Look, this is an amazing moment for Keely. This is huge for Keely going forward into season three

[01:16:37] um

[01:16:38] Keely gets the news that they

[01:16:41] They want to back her and give her her own PR firm the banter people that's huge

[01:16:47] Yeah, these are the sponsors of ASC Richmond they want to give Keely

[01:16:52] Basically the keys to her own castle

[01:16:55] And they want to make her

[01:16:58] You know, they want to give her her own PR form this is

[01:17:01] Because Keely has been doing an amazing job with ASC Richmond

[01:17:06] The PR deservedly so

[01:17:08] Oh, this is rightfully deserved correct or Keely and seeing Keely's excitement for this is great

[01:17:16] Seeing I love the moment where she goes to Higgins

[01:17:20] And what Higgins tells her happy to be on list

[01:17:25] That's in my quotes by the way

[01:17:27] For this episode

[01:17:29] But like that advice that he gives her like

[01:17:32] Good mentor. Oh shit hold on I got to look it up because I want to I want to get it right

[01:17:37] It is amazing

[01:17:38] It's it's a fantastic quote, but you know, this is a huge moment for

[01:17:45] um

[01:17:47] You know for uh for for Keely

[01:17:50] And I love the reaction that both Rebecca and Roy have for her like everybody is proud of

[01:17:57] Keely rightfully so

[01:18:01] You know, this is something that

[01:18:06] We I've said it to death already, but she deserves

[01:18:09] Yeah, and it's so

[01:18:11] I think it says a lot about Keely too about the fact that she wasn't

[01:18:16] nervous about fighting with Rebecca or having some big dramatic blowout

[01:18:20] She didn't want Rebecca to feel

[01:18:23] Like Keely was ungrateful for everything that Rebecca has

[01:18:28] provided an opportunity for Keely

[01:18:31] Yeah

[01:18:33] That's a lot about Keely the woman

[01:18:36] Well, and I love the fact too like if there's a call back to the beginning of this series in season one

[01:18:42] When she does the photo shoot as to when she asks Ted

[01:18:46] Should I be a panda or should I be a lion

[01:18:49] And she tells Rebecca in that moment you helped this panda become a lion. Yeah, that's a great call back to the beginning of this

[01:18:58] Pandas are dumb

[01:19:02] um

[01:19:03] But it's

[01:19:05] Here it is it is uh

[01:19:07] A good mentor a good mentor hopes you will move on a great mentor knows you will yes

[01:19:15] I just made it up

[01:19:18] Oh, I like that. Yeah, I just made it up um

[01:19:22] But it's great it's true. It's absolutely true a mentor doesn't want you to stick around and mentors

[01:19:27] Doing what they do because they want you to move forward

[01:19:30] They want you to succeed because your success means their success

[01:19:35] But it's also a huge moment too in that when Rebecca tells this to Keely in you know when Keely tells Rebecca

[01:19:41] Like I love that Rebecca says, you know

[01:19:44] Make sure you do one thing and that's higher your best friend

[01:19:48] Like it's it's such a great moment for these two characters because we've said it from season one for the beginning of season one

[01:19:54] Even before we knew the real Rebecca the Rebecca Keely stuff

[01:19:59] Is some of the best it's some of the best stuff in this series. Yeah

[01:20:03] And from over and well that's what I was gonna say with Rebecca saying make sure you hire your best friend

[01:20:08] That's Rebecca saying I will be your first client

[01:20:11] Yeah

[01:20:13] Yeah, cuz I was like higher her

[01:20:15] Well, this is when Rebecca also finds out the news that rooper bought Weston United

[01:20:20] And she's like don't go work for him. She's like he can't afford me

[01:20:27] Not to mention you know

[01:20:29] When pigs fly

[01:20:31] Yeah, but you know continuing on with this with with Keely

[01:20:35] You know we get the moment where

[01:20:37] Rebecca where Keely tells this to Roy and Roy is also

[01:20:42] Rightfully incredibly proud of Keely

[01:20:46] and

[01:20:47] But you can sense that kind of hesitation in Roy in that he says like you're gonna be too busy for me

[01:20:54] And Keely's like you just shut up right now about that like because I love you

[01:20:59] And I'm not like this will change nothing

[01:21:03] and

[01:21:04] You know, I think Roy kind of sensed maybe this is one of the reasons why

[01:21:08] There is a separation between Roy and Keely by the end in that

[01:21:12] When Roy tries to take this vacation and he does so he sets everything up so that you make sure there's Wi-Fi so she can work

[01:21:21] And Keely says no, I've already started like with with this job. I can't take the time off

[01:21:27] I think Roy is getting confirmation in his own head

[01:21:30] Of what he said is right and that she's gonna be too busy for him

[01:21:35] It doesn't drive with me. I'm sorry. She I know it's I know it doesn't

[01:21:39] But she would have told him that she started a week ago

[01:21:42] She would have told him what those plans were this is a couple

[01:21:46] That is very strong very strong and very solidified and now all of a sudden we're supposed to think that they're broken

[01:21:52] How come you can't how come you can't be an independent woman and have a successful and stable partner

[01:22:01] How come we have to draw the line

[01:22:04] She can have a whole photo spread about only her and her success is professionally

[01:22:10] And she can still be in a healthy devoted relationship. Why is that not

[01:22:15] Portrait is something that is attainable. I don't understand it

[01:22:21] Oh no and I get your I get you I get your point of view on that too

[01:22:25] But I think one of the things that we didn't talk about last week and

[01:22:28] We should mention this week is that variety changed the article

[01:22:34] That article was initially supposed about players and their significant others

[01:22:40] And when the article was released it was all about how powerful keely has become they changed the article

[01:22:49] Rightfully because that is who keely is

[01:22:53] That is probably a better article for variety. Oh, I have a spoiler hang on let me write it down real fast

[01:23:00] Before before you forget it. Yep when we get into that

[01:23:04] um

[01:23:04] But that article was initially that article in photoshoot was supposed to be about players and significant

[01:23:09] Others that's why it was Roy and keely together

[01:23:13] Um

[01:23:15] Variety changed the article

[01:23:17] That's never addressed

[01:23:20] Um

[01:23:21] It's become it when it was published. It was about how powerful of a woman keely is

[01:23:26] And there's nothing wrong with that because keely is that powerful of a woman

[01:23:29] Yeah

[01:23:31] And I want to say too um, I don't think we praised Juno Temple enough

[01:23:36] For her acting I think she does really great

[01:23:38] I think she does really great when she gets the news

[01:23:41] And like her reaction to that like I'm like oh god like she's fucking brilliant

[01:23:46] Yeah, I love I love uh Juno Temple so much

[01:23:50] Yeah, she's great. She's really great

[01:23:54] Um

[01:23:55] Let's see so so I mean yeah it's gonna be interesting to watch

[01:24:02] Roy and keely next season

[01:24:04] Um because where we're left off

[01:24:08] There's

[01:24:10] hesitation

[01:24:11] They're not broken up

[01:24:13] But we don't know where they stand

[01:24:16] They kind of leave it

[01:24:18] a little bit

[01:24:19] Left unknown because as I said earlier

[01:24:22] Keely tells him to take that well deserved break

[01:24:26] And go off on this six-week vacation on his own

[01:24:29] But when he leaves the office he leaves the tickets on the table on the desk

[01:24:34] They're left behind in her empty office

[01:24:37] So I don't remember if it's mentioned in the season three premiere

[01:24:41] But I'm left to guess Roy's not taking that trip

[01:24:47] Because he I don't because who he doesn't want to do it alone

[01:24:51] Yeah, it was intended to be with keely

[01:24:56] Um

[01:24:58] I only have one more thing before spoilers

[01:25:01] I have a couple um go ahead with yours

[01:25:05] Um, I really

[01:25:07] love the fact that Ted

[01:25:11] Talks to the team about the article

[01:25:14] I really really really love that

[01:25:16] I love the fact that that he said

[01:25:17] I'm sorry that I didn't trust you guys

[01:25:21] Enough with what I was going through

[01:25:24] He puts them on an equal playing field

[01:25:26] Which I think is beautiful

[01:25:28] And it's something that Nate doesn't understand

[01:25:30] And he looks like he has no idea why he would

[01:25:35] Nate looks like

[01:25:37] Many times through the season

[01:25:39] Why are we talking to the players about what they think about what they want

[01:25:43] Like when Roy was like

[01:25:45] Hey, why don't we ask the guys that are actually doing the false nine

[01:25:50] What did they think?

[01:25:51] How did they want to change the second half

[01:25:53] And Nate just looks like why would we why would we stoop so low

[01:25:58] You know yeah

[01:26:00] I thought it was brilliant because Roy knows that

[01:26:02] As a

[01:26:03] As a

[01:26:04] Retired player that these players have thoughts

[01:26:08] They're the ones playing the games ask them

[01:26:11] Get their input

[01:26:12] And it's so funny because they all looked so confused

[01:26:16] That Ted would ask them what they thought

[01:26:19] Yeah, what do you guys think?

[01:26:20] Mm-hmm. Yeah

[01:26:23] That's the reason why after

[01:26:25] Ted does his speech on the pitch about

[01:26:31] Um

[01:26:32] About you know, I didn't trust you enough with my struggle blah blah blah

[01:26:36] That the whole team is like we love you coach

[01:26:38] We have your back

[01:26:40] We have no problems with what they're saying about you in the news

[01:26:43] Because we know you we trust you and we love you

[01:26:47] And and and watching that backfire

[01:26:50] On Nate again

[01:26:53] Was was wonderful

[01:26:54] But then he solidifies that by trusting them

[01:26:58] In the halftime of the game by saying you know what

[01:27:00] I'm going to back up the fact that I I know that I should have trusted you

[01:27:03] Before I'm going to trust you again

[01:27:05] What do you think what do you think we should do in this second half

[01:27:10] Yeah, he backed it up

[01:27:12] Well and I also love the fact to go back to you know

[01:27:15] When he tells the team and he apologizes to the team flat out about the article that they read and everything

[01:27:21] I love how Collins like we're going to find this person

[01:27:23] We're going to beat him with socks with soap like I love the reaction on Nate's face

[01:27:29] Because he is the man. They all want to crucify in that moment

[01:27:34] But they don't know that it's Nate um

[01:27:38] He really thought that was going to go a different way

[01:27:42] Who thought it was gonna go Nate Nate really thought that that article was going to go a different way

[01:27:48] Oh, he thought everybody was gonna turn on Ted

[01:27:50] Yeah, I think he thought maybe he could have gotten the head coach position at Richmond

[01:27:56] Oh, yeah, you might be right

[01:27:59] That could have been his way to house Ted so that he takes over

[01:28:03] Because if he goes then beard goes

[01:28:05] Well okay in his mind in his mind

[01:28:08] Well, okay

[01:28:10] Let's play into that then with bringing your work shop this

[01:28:15] Let's bring Rupert into this now

[01:28:17] Maybe that was the initial plan was to get Ted and beard out of there so that Nate could take over

[01:28:23] And now Rupert has an inside man inside aFC Richmond

[01:28:26] To destroy the team to destroy the team interesting

[01:28:30] Because he bought West Ham United so now he can destroy aFC

[01:28:34] AFC Richmond because he has another team

[01:28:36] Yeah, and if they have a weaker coach, they can really destroy aFC Richmond

[01:28:41] AFC Richmond doesn't get promoted

[01:28:44] And we and I stay on top with a superior team in West Ham United

[01:28:50] So maybe

[01:28:51] Maybe that was the plan maybe this is the backup plan

[01:28:55] Making Nate the head coach of West Ham was the backup interesting

[01:28:59] Yeah, I kind of like that actually I do too

[01:29:02] Now that we're now that we're workshopping this yes

[01:29:06] That's what I say to my students okay. Yeah, let's workshop this let's play it out

[01:29:09] I

[01:29:11] Kind of like thinking about that that that was the initial plan

[01:29:14] Was for Nate to become the new head coach of of aFC Richmond

[01:29:20] Yeah, and use Nate to destroy the team from the inside yeah

[01:29:24] Kind, oh yeah, okay. All right. We'll see

[01:29:28] um

[01:29:30] I have just a couple little things sure uh, I love the fact that

[01:29:34] I

[01:29:35] Love the fact that going back to you know, the article being published

[01:29:40] um

[01:29:42] Seeing the people in the town there are obviously people that are

[01:29:46] Against Ted now because they think he's not proper to to to coach the team

[01:29:52] But there's still other people that and this is the last of effect

[01:29:57] That still support him

[01:29:59] Like like the one shop owner saying like are you okay? Are you sure like that's like

[01:30:04] Kind of riding the line a little bit

[01:30:06] But even the guy that calls him a wanker

[01:30:09] Concently says like

[01:30:11] He initially calls him out on it, but then he says hey do the job you'll be okay

[01:30:16] Mm-hmm. Like even this guy's kind of turned around on Ted a little bit

[01:30:20] Well, it's it I think that they all love him

[01:30:22] I think that what you do is you ras the gaffer

[01:30:25] And they feel that they have a good enough relationship with Ted

[01:30:29] Living where they do and living where he does

[01:30:32] That they can do that

[01:30:33] But that older gentleman when he turned around

[01:30:37] He was give it he was like listen man is gonna be fine. Yeah

[01:30:41] Yep, we even we support you and even may

[01:30:45] Oh, I heard taking that paper was the best like don't worry about it at all wash out in the cycle

[01:30:51] It always does and then ripping the paper out of that guy's hands. I was done with it anyway

[01:30:56] It was just um

[01:30:58] I love maze

[01:31:01] Love for this team. Yeah

[01:31:03] I just love May like in

[01:31:06] Like she she speaks truth and I just

[01:31:09] Jeremy and Paul and may I just the show wouldn't work without the four of them and I

[01:31:14] I've made a conscious decision that I it is my goal

[01:31:18] Sometime within the next five years. I want to get to that village

[01:31:22] I want to go visit I want to go you know what it's called

[01:31:25] Um, no, but it does exist

[01:31:28] I'm sure I mean it's it's definitely a real place

[01:31:31] It might actually be a Richmond. I don't know um

[01:31:33] But I will look into it and I have never been overseas

[01:31:36] But it will be within the next five years

[01:31:39] It is a goal of mine to get over to Britain

[01:31:41] We should go to the UK. I would love you when I should go. I love it

[01:31:45] Going to Ted Lasso pilgrimage

[01:31:47] Yeah, first then we'll go to Hawaii and have a lost pilgrimage

[01:31:52] That would be awesome

[01:31:53] Hmm, be awesome. What are we going to do for the wire then I'm not going to Baltimore

[01:31:59] I only live like

[01:32:01] Two out not even two hours from both not going to Baltimore

[01:32:05] Um

[01:32:07] Okay, so let me see what do I have? I love the fact that

[01:32:11] You know

[01:32:12] Beard is the constant best man for Ted man like when he says like I assume you know

[01:32:17] What all this is about and beards like nope and then you see he has the paper in his pocket

[01:32:22] He very clearly knows and not only knows

[01:32:25] He knows from the moment he reads the article

[01:32:28] Nate is the source. He know well of course he does

[01:32:32] Roy and

[01:32:33] Leslie are not going to say a word

[01:32:36] But he has watched Nate

[01:32:37] He has observed Nate this entire season

[01:32:40] And I got to tell you some of this is on beard

[01:32:42] Beard should have squashed this a long time ago when he saw it happening

[01:32:46] He saw this happening if there's anybody that is at fault

[01:32:50] It's beard. I think no and I said that at the top of the episode that there are other people to blame for this entire thing

[01:32:57] Yeah, the blame does not fall completely on Nate and Ted

[01:33:01] Yeah, be right stop is happening the entire season and I love it though when he said you don't want to headbutt me and

[01:33:10] Beards like oh you want to be headbutt at all. I'll do that

[01:33:13] I'll just and Nate knows in that moment that beard knows and beard hates him

[01:33:18] I think he is terrified of beard after that moment. I think beer

[01:33:22] I think Nate already knew the beard knows because beard says the Nate see the paper today

[01:33:27] Like he he knows right then and there

[01:33:30] He's calling Nate out right then and there

[01:33:33] He is staring him down

[01:33:35] Yeah, and making an enemy out of beard seems like a bad idea

[01:33:41] Yes, it is

[01:33:43] um

[01:33:45] We talked about Jamie giving Danny the penalty shot because just how amazing of a moment that is

[01:33:50] um richman very obviously get promoted by the end of this so they're heading back up to the league

[01:33:55] um richman till we die

[01:33:58] The only I have three more quick things to mention and then we'll move on to spoilers um

[01:34:03] Just Roy

[01:34:05] hesitantly becoming a diamond dog is just that was the best it is one of the best moments of the entire episode

[01:34:12] But beard when he walks out and be like oh my god

[01:34:16] Well, I have that in quotes so we'll we'll talk a little bit more abandoned quotes because there's some great quotes from that moment um

[01:34:26] Sam's restaurant. I mentioned this in spoilers last week. Yes

[01:34:31] Sam's restaurant that he buys is the same restaurant that Edwin Akufu

[01:34:37] Made a fake Nigerian restaurant Sam decided to make it real

[01:34:42] He buys the restaurant because he wants to turn it into a Nigerian restaurant

[01:34:47] And I love that about Sam like why can't something that

[01:34:53] Edwin faked

[01:34:55] Actually be a reality

[01:34:57] Yeah, you know, if anything it gave him the idea

[01:35:01] Yeah

[01:35:02] So some good did come out of the whole interaction with Edwin Akufu

[01:35:06] I think a lot of good came out of it

[01:35:09] Sam realized that he wants to be at Richmond

[01:35:12] Given the opportunity to go back to Africa and play for his home continent

[01:35:18] He would rather stay

[01:35:20] At AFC Richmond

[01:35:22] He wants to be there. He's not just there because he was told to go there

[01:35:26] He wants to be there

[01:35:27] He sees the effect that he is making on people

[01:35:31] And I think that that's really Sam's ultimate objective is just to have a positive effect on people

[01:35:38] Yeah, no, I I think you're right. There's other good that came out of it

[01:35:43] Um, then just that um

[01:35:46] And the only other thing I have too is we finally get to see Trent Creme again

[01:35:52] Independent

[01:35:53] Trent Creme independent

[01:35:55] You know my dad made the same joke. Well, he sounds like a good guy. Yeah

[01:36:00] You know, it is just

[01:36:03] Yeah, it's um I love seeing Trent and

[01:36:08] The Trent story is far from finished

[01:36:12] Like yeah wait

[01:36:15] To get into season three. I know I want to go downstairs and watch season three like

[01:36:23] Oh, but that's all I think that's all I have other than a couple things for spoiler territory

[01:36:28] Yeah, I have spoilers. Okay, so then with that being said

[01:36:32] Uh, we're gonna dive into spoiler territory

[01:36:34] So if this is your first watch and you want to avoid it just check the show notes to find out when we're gonna come back

[01:36:39] So you don't have to you don't get anything spoiled

[01:36:43] Um, I'm gonna throw a quick one out there

[01:36:46] If that's all right. Yeah

[01:36:48] Uh

[01:36:49] Susie Campbell

[01:36:51] From the dog shelter

[01:36:53] hits on keely

[01:36:55] And keely kind of likes it

[01:36:58] This is a little indication as to

[01:37:01] Another side of keely. We're going to discover next season

[01:37:04] Well, she's already said that she was bisexual. Oh did she? Yeah, I don't remember her saying that yeah when uh when

[01:37:12] She was talking to rebuke about

[01:37:15] Relationships or something and she was just like oh no

[01:37:18] I i've i've been there before

[01:37:21] I just wouldn't with you or something like that like we're friends or but you're hot enough or it's a season one quote

[01:37:26] It's like a throwaway quote, but she does she has already established it. She's bisexual

[01:37:30] Okay, I must have yeah, I guess I just didn't remember that

[01:37:33] However

[01:37:35] Talking about this season three keely

[01:37:40] We know who keely's boss is

[01:37:43] We do we know that jack is her boss yes

[01:37:48] Jack is her boss in this episode

[01:37:51] Did jack orchestrate the change in the variety article

[01:37:57] Oh, is this what you wrote down yeah

[01:38:01] That hmm. I didn't think about that. It's interesting right? Yeah

[01:38:08] Huh

[01:38:09] Yeah, I uh, I didn't think about that because jack is as we learn

[01:38:16] Jack is a very

[01:38:18] Controlling and domineering person yes who is only

[01:38:23] Only

[01:38:24] concerned with optics and perceptions

[01:38:29] It's and it's and jack is a very interesting character because we

[01:38:34] At one point in the beginning you kind of want to like jack

[01:38:39] Mm-hmm. You're going to discover that you kind of don't I know

[01:38:45] Aurora disagrees

[01:38:49] I

[01:38:51] So that was the spoiler that I just thought of and just like a little question maybe

[01:38:57] um

[01:38:58] But it is interesting it was supposed to be on couples

[01:39:01] And then she gets this job with banter

[01:39:04] And now all of a sudden the variety article is only about her

[01:39:10] Yeah, cuz yeah, you're right jack is yeah, you're right jack is her boss already at this point

[01:39:14] We just don't know it yet right we yeah, we just don't know it yet

[01:39:19] Um

[01:39:21] I'll mention one of my other spoilers and then it's the other other one I have and then we can kind of you can hold on

[01:39:27] I wonder if it's the same one that I have um, I don't know

[01:39:31] Mine has to do with Jamie. Oh no mine has to do no okay go so

[01:39:36] Jamie giving Danny

[01:39:39] The penalty shot yeah is a

[01:39:42] We're gonna see that again

[01:39:44] It is in the series finale

[01:39:46] Only this time it gets passed on to a third person

[01:39:50] Jamie takes the penalty he gives it to Danny

[01:39:53] Danny then does what Jamie did for him last season and he gives it to someone who needs it and he gives it to macadu

[01:40:01] And macadu is the one that takes the penalty kick who need it yeah, yeah

[01:40:06] It is the passing of the passing the kick to the person who needs it the most

[01:40:10] It's not who needs the win. It's who needs the confidence boost yeah

[01:40:15] Jamie gave it to Danny because he knew Danny needed it and he said I believe in you didn't he said something like that

[01:40:21] He said you got this mochacho. Yeah, I love jay would tart

[01:40:26] And then it happens again

[01:40:28] Jamie gives it to Danny in the season in the final game

[01:40:33] And then Danny looks over he sees macadu who's never taken the penalty shot before

[01:40:39] Hmm, and he gives it to macadu

[01:40:41] And Isaac takes the shot macadu needed it yep. Yeah, he had macadu has a rough Thursday. Yeah

[01:40:51] And he and and macadu takes this and macadu takes the shot

[01:40:54] It is it is such a great indicator of how cohesive this team is that they look at a penalty shot as a confidence boost

[01:41:04] Because they all can make it yeah

[01:41:07] All of them everything one of them right down again

[01:41:09] They just need to see it

[01:41:13] I mean the game the game is on the line

[01:41:16] Yeah, but they still on the line

[01:41:19] But they still pass the shot

[01:41:21] Because they have that much confidence in their own teammates

[01:41:25] That who gave them that confidence in their team

[01:41:29] Ted yeah, he laced them all together into one little hoop

[01:41:34] The last away um

[01:41:36] So

[01:41:39] Dave gave me this last night and I was like holy shit. I totally forgot about this

[01:41:46] Nate's under the desk

[01:41:51] Wait

[01:41:52] When Ted goes in and he sees the ripped up sign Nate is under that desk

[01:41:59] Remember

[01:42:00] Was he there then I thought that was a different moment

[01:42:03] No, it's this moment he's under the desk

[01:42:08] I thought that was I thought there was a moment where Nate broke back in

[01:42:12] Was it oh was it darn it I was so excited. I don't know but I'm gonna find out as we're talking so keep

[01:42:20] Talking about it. Well, I don't know how much I can keep talking about if it didn't really happen but in my mind

[01:42:26] Ted goes into the debt

[01:42:28] Ted goes into the office and he sees that the belief sign has been ripped in half and put on the desk

[01:42:32] And Dave goes oh my gosh nates under the desk. Oh no, you're right. I'm looking at it right now

[01:42:39] Um, I'm looking at that that particular clip and seeing the team doing a Congo line

[01:42:44] Right through the office and you're right

[01:42:46] You see the ripped up belief sign and

[01:42:49] Nate is under the desk Nate's under the desk. He is there the whole time they're celebrating without him

[01:42:54] He is missing out on this two season culmination of success

[01:43:00] I'm sorry. I just I'm still watching it and there's a moment where

[01:43:04] He stays under the desk even as the cleaning crew comes in because he doesn't want to be revealed

[01:43:10] And you see him non-celently push the trash can out from under the desk for this clip

[01:43:19] I forgot about that

[01:43:21] What a wanker

[01:43:22] That's a good call from from Dave you're right. Yeah, Nate it mates under the desk

[01:43:27] They're under the desk

[01:43:29] I just lived out because Dave's like they're under the desk. I'm like I totally forgot

[01:43:34] Yep, I forgot about that too. You're right. He didn't get out in time

[01:43:39] Right. Well, they were coming in and he was like oh no, no, what do I do?

[01:43:42] Yeah

[01:43:45] The dumb ass that he is yep

[01:43:47] It's so good. That's a good pickup by Dave

[01:43:50] Yeah, Dave is Dave

[01:43:52] Would be a very good podcaster

[01:43:55] Um anything else from spoilers on your end

[01:43:58] Uh, no. Oh yes, just a question really

[01:44:02] um

[01:44:04] In the third season Sam does not make the Nigerian team

[01:44:08] He stays behind if I remember correctly when they are playing okay

[01:44:13] So national break this is this is the moment I almost I almost said and I realized it hasn't happened yet

[01:44:19] Because when we were talking about Jersey numbers. Okay, Sam doesn't make the Nigerian team you're right

[01:44:24] He doesn't go home to play but Jamie does

[01:44:27] And Jamie wears Sam's number 24

[01:44:31] because

[01:44:32] In a in solidarity with Sam because Sam didn't make it right

[01:44:37] He's showing Sam support by wearing Sam's number

[01:44:40] Kali Jamie Jamie is a good good dude. He's a good dude

[01:44:44] Even though he wore that ridiculous outfit in the season finale

[01:44:48] The icon thing and the two small red puffer vest and the stupid fanny pack every every item of clothing on his body

[01:44:57] I was like you are a walking

[01:45:00] prank on yourself like I don't understand

[01:45:04] But at the very at the last in the last episode of season three

[01:45:08] He does make the Nigerian team because we see a picture of him on the Nigerian team

[01:45:14] We see the video we see the video of them taking the picture too

[01:45:18] Okay, so he it is true

[01:45:22] Dick head ochre four. What's his name? A kufu a kufu. Thank you ochre four is a basketball player

[01:45:28] I believe yes a kufu does make that happen

[01:45:31] He does ensure that Sam is not on the Nigerian team but it also has to do with the fact that Sam gets

[01:45:39] Uh on the twitterverse and starts talking about politics in his home country. Yes

[01:45:46] Um, I mean, this is not the last we've seen of Edwin a kufu. No, no, no

[01:45:50] No, in fact a very wonderful food fight happens because of Edwin a kufu

[01:45:55] Yes, I love it

[01:45:58] It's one of my favorite moments to season three. Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that

[01:46:02] I would agree

[01:46:03] But yeah, like I that was one of the things I almost brought up and I held back because I realized it hasn't happened yet

[01:46:09] Is when Jamie wears same number during that?

[01:46:12] Oh gosh, I just want more Ted Lasso because I want more Jamie

[01:46:16] Todd what aFC don't dumpster. He's isn't even doing anything. I looked on IMDv and he was

[01:46:22] Ero and directed and starred in a short

[01:46:26] He doesn't know yet. He needs more yeah

[01:46:31] Isn't he an Emmy winner now too? Did he win an Emmy? I don't remember if he won the Emmy or not

[01:46:36] I don't I can't remember um

[01:46:39] So is that everything um the only the only other thing I'll mention for spoilers too is just I mentioned it

[01:46:45] I kind of already man

[01:46:47] Seeing Trent Crim as part of the team

[01:46:51] Next week. Can't wait. I can't wait

[01:46:54] writing writing the book about aFC Richmond and

[01:46:58] Being in the locker room pretty much every app he's in every episode next year

[01:47:04] Trent Crim already had that idea. That's why he was waiting outside

[01:47:10] Well, you know what I kind of love about that moment that he lost his keys he lost his he no he locked him in the car

[01:47:17] It's the moment that he the moment he quit being a journalist

[01:47:22] All his intuition went away. Oh, yeah, that's what Dave goes

[01:47:26] Doesn't seem like Trent Crim would do that. I go. No, that's that's the point

[01:47:29] He's lost. He has no idea what he's doing with his life anymore

[01:47:33] He locks his keys in the car

[01:47:37] so good

[01:47:39] All right, so then with that being said welcome back to everybody else coming in and we're gonna go over some of our favorite quotes from the episode which I have a couple um

[01:47:50] I love

[01:47:52] It's

[01:47:54] Um, where's it at and I know I have it

[01:47:58] Tch

[01:47:59] No fellas look. I'm gonna nip that talking to bud right now. It's bud not bud coach

[01:48:05] Is it oh because of flowers, right? Horticulture, baby

[01:48:08] Horticulture, baby

[01:48:13] I love

[01:48:16] I love that Ted is so thrown

[01:48:20] That he used salt and set of sugar

[01:48:23] And it ends up being good and she's like no, no, no

[01:48:26] It's interesting

[01:48:28] She's a sneaky salty bitch

[01:48:31] Like Heather Locklear on the rose place, right? Well shortbread doesn't have a lot of sugar in it to begin with

[01:48:38] I've never made it so it well because because I thought about that. I'm like

[01:48:42] Wait a minute. What is that recipe and it is it i mean it is it's

[01:48:47] It's a very simple recipe there's only ever like a quarter teaspoon of salt and in any baking thing yeah

[01:48:54] um

[01:48:55] And probably there's like a tablespoon of sugar in

[01:48:59] In a shortbread recipe

[01:49:01] So if you were to get that mixed up, I can see how that would be really shocking at first however salted

[01:49:08] desserts are generally pretty good

[01:49:12] Um

[01:49:13] Yeah, I I actually I bought them last night while I was grocery shopping

[01:49:18] I had and I tried one of them and I was immediately wanted to get more they are

[01:49:23] Dark chocolate Graham cracker bites, but they are coated with sea salt yeah do it and I like I

[01:49:31] I bought I bought them I bought them last night so they're in my kitchen right now

[01:49:34] And I I opened the bag to try one and it was so good. I was like oh, I can finish this whole bag right now

[01:49:40] But yeah, salt and desserts is can be really good yes

[01:49:44] I think so I know people who puts like sprinkle sea salt on ice cream

[01:49:48] Which could which could work too anyway back to um that sounds delicious

[01:49:55] Even if like a basic like just vanilla or chocolate and just sprinkle some sea salt on top oh

[01:50:00] So good anyway

[01:50:05] Sorry stop making fun of me. I can't I can't

[01:50:09] Any on your I have more but what's uh

[01:50:12] Any for you well Sharon saying hi Ted remember the truth will suit you free

[01:50:16] But first it'll piss you off

[01:50:19] Totally I love that we got to hear from Dr. Shayer. Yeah, yes, and she sent an audio message of course she did

[01:50:28] Um

[01:50:30] Yet we said it earlier but uh

[01:50:33] I'm flattered that you came to me instead of Ted early. Well they're training well instead of Rebecca then

[01:50:39] She's the one I'm afraid of telling

[01:50:41] I'm happy to be on the list happy to be on the list

[01:50:43] Ha

[01:50:45] If my father had a panic attack at Normandy we'd all be speaking German

[01:50:53] And then at Rebecca's dad's funeral jamey fucking tart tells her he's fucking in love with her whoa and he's still alive

[01:51:04] I'm fucking for gay

[01:51:06] Ha

[01:51:10] Um and in that same moment too

[01:51:13] I know I said I fucking hate doing those things and I do fucking hate doing those things

[01:51:18] But in the end they didn't use a single picture of me within with me in it and it hurt my

[01:51:25] Feeling

[01:51:27] My feeling I love that so singular yeah

[01:51:32] I

[01:51:37] I can't sorry. I kind of froze when you two came in here and I just I didn't know what to do all right

[01:51:43] Yeah, no it definitely sounds both helpful and compassionate

[01:51:50] Um wait

[01:51:52] So sometimes the fucking diamond dogs is just chatting about shit and no one has to fucking solve anything and nothing fucking changes

[01:51:59] Sometimes yeah

[01:52:00] That's cool

[01:52:06] They get so excited by acknowledgement from Roy

[01:52:11] I would that would be all I wanted

[01:52:14] Was for him to be in my my super secret fun club. He's the cool kid at school

[01:52:19] That is yeah he is you know well

[01:52:21] I also like um to quote the great UCLA college basketball coach ob john obi won gandoff

[01:52:28] It is our choices gentlemen that show us what we truly are far more than our abilities now

[01:52:33] Who actually said that do you know?

[01:52:35] I don't know but I almost looked into it. I'm glad you out this dumbledore

[01:52:38] Oh

[01:52:44] In chamber of secrets just so everybody wants to know he did a double door quote and attached john wouldn't

[01:52:52] gandoff and obi won

[01:52:56] It's like he knew it was from a movie but couldn't remember which one it was from or he just wanted to put them all together into one big quote

[01:53:06] Yeah, that's true too

[01:53:08] um

[01:53:09] This one kind of has a visual with it but you if you've seen the episode you know what

[01:53:13] I'm a shoot you straight this is bleak yeah, I mean look at it out there looks like a renaissance painting portraying masculine melancholy

[01:53:20] And then the camera pans how you see them doing the post

[01:53:23] Totally did I want I want to frame a picture of that and just at the bottom. I'm masculine melancholy

[01:53:29] I took a screenshot of it. I might actually do that now

[01:53:33] I might edit it with the frame around it and put that at the bottom perfect send it to me too

[01:53:40] Who got it was it macy gray hound or Tina Feyhound

[01:53:44] Who was the who ended up being the winner? Oh, I

[01:53:48] Oh, that's a good question. I want to say macy gray or um, I think it was Tina Feyhound

[01:53:55] They were both adorable. No, it's a gray hound my college mascot was the gray hounds

[01:54:02] So hey, I'm coming with a you see richman. Oh, thank you

[01:54:08] Um, I only have one more

[01:54:10] Okay

[01:54:12] Um coach you keep trying to hold all this in i'm afraid your mustache is gonna pop off

[01:54:17] Oh, then then I'll look like that fella from the hangover Bradley Cooper. Oh, you're too good to me

[01:54:24] Do you know why I'm assuming it's probably an ed Helm's reference yes

[01:54:31] Okay, it's because he's always confused with ed Helm yeah

[01:54:35] Not Bradley Cooper. Yeah, that's what I figured I figured it was an ed Helm's reference

[01:54:40] um

[01:54:42] Just a second it's Jane. Hmm how's that all going uh, we broke up. Oh

[01:54:46] We're back on now okay

[01:54:50] And I love that Ted just kind of blows it off because it's kind of normal at this point

[01:54:56] Anything else any other comments from you um, I'm looking probably but no

[01:55:01] All right um

[01:55:03] There's so many. I mean everything everything that

[01:55:07] Akufu says to

[01:55:10] Sam is really funny

[01:55:13] Yeah

[01:55:15] Yeah, there's there's his whole tirade is just yeah, god it's so it's so ridiculous, but I love it

[01:55:23] um

[01:55:25] So then that takes us into the feedback section and

[01:55:30] We have a number of them. So uh, let's go with the Facebook feedback first

[01:55:36] Okay hang on in which you have change

[01:55:39] Change

[01:55:40] Change screens here got it. We're good. Okay, why don't you kick yourself?

[01:55:45] All right

[01:55:46] We have Jason from San Jose

[01:55:49] I didn't have time for audio feedback this week since I'm out of town in short such a great finale and uplifting moment for the team

[01:55:56] Nate's turned to the dark side or gray side that I added that is now complete

[01:56:01] And although he is such a horrible character edwin akufu's temper tantrum is some of the funniest shit ever

[01:56:07] The choking of the headless mannequin had me rolling

[01:56:10] I posted a link on this Facebook group to the my little thought tree youtube channel that I mentioned last week's episode

[01:56:17] His first few Ted Lasso videos covered up through season two the rest of his videos get into season three

[01:56:23] So spoiler alert for those who haven't watched that season yet

[01:56:26] Speaking of I am so totally looking forward to season three since I've only watched that season once

[01:56:31] Until then this has been Jason from San Jose

[01:56:34] Namaste, bye-bye

[01:56:36] Do it yeah, there it seems like a lot of us are gonna be in the same boat with season three in

[01:56:42] You know but if you and I end some of the listeners have

[01:56:45] We barely gave this enough time when it ended. We're like let's do Ted Lasso

[01:56:51] Yeah, we I mean it was within the same year we started

[01:56:55] I think it was within like a month. No, it wasn't that we could not wait. We couldn't wait

[01:57:01] We were so excited

[01:57:02] Yeah, I it was a good four or five months since the show I'd ended before we started talking about the show

[01:57:08] Right, but it was still

[01:57:10] Relatively new. Yeah, I don't even care. I'm so excited. No, I do

[01:57:15] Um

[01:57:17] You have one more right? Yeah, you want to do a voicemail and then I'll do this one

[01:57:22] Um, I just I just realized that Greg sent us something for spoilers and we forgot to play it

[01:57:28] So I'm apologizing the Greg now

[01:57:30] Um that we I forgot to play this boiler voicemail during spoilers. So maybe next week

[01:57:35] Yeah, well, we'll see if we can throw it in next week. So we'll still have it too from Greg next week

[01:57:40] um, so sorry about that Greg it just it completely slipped my mind because we were so engrossed in the conversation

[01:57:45] Um, all right, so yeah, let's do that. We'll play Greg's fleece uh voicemail from this week

[01:57:50] And then we'll do the other one. So this is our voicemail from Greg for inverting the pyramid

[01:57:55] Hello this Greg back again

[01:58:00] Um

[01:58:02] All right, so so on my first watch

[01:58:05] read, rewatch, not whatever of this episode um

[01:58:10] I was I mean the mistake of doing this in a

[01:58:14] kind of reasonably emotionally fragile state

[01:58:19] And so the it was like here's laughter, tears, laughter, tears, laughter

[01:58:24] um some of the things I hadn't caught before

[01:58:27] uh which I thought were funny

[01:58:30] uh, basically grayhound or a tina fahound

[01:58:33] um

[01:58:35] But uh like this one just like this would have you bouncing back and forth

[01:58:39] And you know

[01:58:41] It just between

[01:58:43] uh

[01:58:45] The opening with Ted

[01:58:48] You know

[01:58:49] Just being called to do the work

[01:58:51] um

[01:58:53] Uh, she's a sneaky salty bitch

[01:58:56] uh to

[01:58:58] uh, you know

[01:59:00] Every choice you make is a moment

[01:59:03] And yeah each of those choices

[01:59:06] uh

[01:59:07] Are in and of themselves

[01:59:10] You know choices we make and it's just like oh man

[01:59:13] Like every opportunity is a choice

[01:59:15] Every choice is an opportunity to do

[01:59:18] The right thing or the wrong thing and then immediately followed by

[01:59:22] You know nipped this in the bud. Oh, I know it's but but uh

[01:59:26] Know it's about a horticulture baby. I mean this is

[01:59:30] You know this was this gave me some swings

[01:59:32] um

[01:59:34] But uh then you know that this

[01:59:36] It's so good and

[01:59:38] You know and I I was I was with Nathan you know watching it. I I was with him

[01:59:45] Um right up until the point where he said

[01:59:48] You know you'd be shipped back to Kansas with your son where you belong and just like oh, that's that's blood about you can see Ted's face

[01:59:56] Just shift at that

[01:59:59] um

[02:00:00] Going from understanding to you know to guilty

[02:00:05] And uh but that was it was those tough

[02:00:09] Was really tough

[02:00:10] And then you go to I mean I didn't even think I put it together in the time because I was so pissed off at me

[02:00:15] But you know they they all Isaac makes them all put their hands on the beliefs on and then that's what Nate cares up

[02:00:23] If they didn't I didn't catch it the first couple of times

[02:00:26] I like could put them in isolated instances, but the fact that that's what they all surrounded and then that's what Nate

[02:00:35] Uh took apart um

[02:00:38] But uh

[02:00:40] I did like the the all had about you

[02:00:44] Uh, and then we do what we are getting some uh

[02:00:47] some

[02:00:48] Development of some more development of Roy

[02:00:51] And and Jamie and Jamie coming forth

[02:00:55] and then

[02:00:57] You know Roy forgiving him

[02:00:59] It's very much very similar to when

[02:01:01] you know

[02:01:03] Jamie Tart

[02:01:04] taught me how to be with my girlfriend and give her space because that's what she needed if I trust her and so on so like

[02:01:11] It was good

[02:01:12] Anyway, I'm sure you guys will go over a pulpit to this so uh, I'll cut this one short of the normal bit longer than most all right. See you guys later

[02:01:23] Thanks Greg

[02:01:26] I sure the normal longer than most longer than most that's pretty accurate. Yep. That's that's pretty accurate way to put it

[02:01:34] But thank you Greg for that

[02:01:37] Lindsay Schlicht says is it me or is the public response to a panic attack kind of wild yes. Yes. No, it's not just you

[02:01:45] It was a panic attack not like a murder spree like honestly who cares? Why is it such a huge deal

[02:01:51] He left the pitch he didn't commit some heinous crime

[02:01:55] I guess I'm not getting why it's such a thing

[02:01:57] It speaks to Ted strong character that he's able to still be so kind to Nate because I wanted to crawl through the screen like the grudge

[02:02:04] And ring Nate's I think she meant the ring the ring yeah, yeah, and ring Nate's stupid neck

[02:02:10] Absolute shortman syndrome something about him makes me so angry

[02:02:14] I know everyone including Nate has said Ted abandoned him but I called bullshit. Oh

[02:02:21] Nate is a grown-ass man

[02:02:22] What exactly was Ted supposed to do he helped promote him? He encouraged his ideas

[02:02:27] He was kind and included him in on things what is left breastfeeding

[02:02:32] Uh Nate little nasty weasel

[02:02:35] Uh as much of a dick as Edwin a kufo a kufo is his outburst was absolutely hilarious to me

[02:02:42] I'm glad Sam got immediate affirmation that he made the right decision by witnessing that yes 100% Lindsay

[02:02:50] um

[02:02:51] In regards to the whole I don't understand why it was such a big deal. I think

[02:02:57] I

[02:02:59] Think this and I think this is one of the reasons why when we talked about it earlier about

[02:03:03] The reason why the cast and crew went to the white house to actually address this and everything

[02:03:08] It's because up until that point people had a

[02:03:13] Perspective in mind that professional athletes are meant to be

[02:03:17] these fine-tuned

[02:03:20] Perfect machines. It's one of the reasons why they're in this business and

[02:03:24] That's why anytime it was addressed that something happened with these players

[02:03:29] It was always made such a big deal out of

[02:03:31] um

[02:03:32] We we tended not to think about the private lives of athletes or coaches in that regard

[02:03:39] um, I've seen

[02:03:41] People say actually this was on an episode of last week tonight with John Oliver

[02:03:45] When they were talking about it was brought up in one of the episodes that a baseball player

[02:03:49] a baseball player's wife had a baby

[02:03:52] and

[02:03:53] He decided to miss the first two games of the season

[02:03:57] To be at home with his wife

[02:04:00] And their new child

[02:04:03] but yet news outlets and fans were saying like no like you you didn't had no part in the birth of the baby your wife did

[02:04:10] You should be there playing the game

[02:04:13] You know, it's there were too many things that were never addressed and as we kind of talked about at the top things have since changed

[02:04:21] so you know

[02:04:23] As fans and as media they do put sometimes they do put too much of a

[02:04:29] attention on

[02:04:32] Things that aren't pertaining that pertain to a player or a coach's life outside of the game

[02:04:37] I think it's just men's mental health in general has always been something that we don't talk about

[02:04:42] I mean when you look at the military too

[02:04:45] If you were having PTSD of any kind or you are depressed or anxious or anything

[02:04:50] It it ruined your career. Yeah, and it wasn't until

[02:04:54] They actually started talking about the fact that yes military people do have PTSD

[02:05:01] Of course they do with what they go through

[02:05:04] That we actually started talking about it. I mean

[02:05:07] You know there are still people of the mind that you shouldn't talk about your your mental health if you're a man

[02:05:14] And I don't think that that gets

[02:05:16] addressed enough

[02:05:18] Even today in 2024 I think it's still something that we still need to talk about more

[02:05:23] Yeah, and I'm thankful that I have a group of friends in my life that are incredibly open and

[02:05:29] We all talk about things and we share things and you know

[02:05:34] I have that support system in my life and I'm very appreciative of it

[02:05:39] The last piece of feedback we have is a voice mail from Alex. So let's play that now

[02:05:48] Sorry

[02:05:51] I

[02:05:55] Almost did it last week, but I was like no, it's been too short a time. I need you jerk you rig rolled me

[02:06:03] Uh

[02:06:03] Seriously this time though here is the voice mail from Alex

[02:06:07] Hey all Alex Krueger again leaving feedback for the season two finale of Ted Lasso

[02:06:12] I really like how the beginning of this episode shows the city of Richmond really rallying around Ted

[02:06:16] He even mr. Wanker gives him a little bit of tough love

[02:06:19] I love how Jamie in the beginning is already seeking out Roy showing he doesn't confess because he knows

[02:06:25] He's caught or anything, but he truly doesn't want to be the piece of crap

[02:06:28] He was the season ago only thinking of himself

[02:06:31] I like that he explains himself, but doesn't excuse his actions

[02:06:34] It shows the maturation process he has gone through

[02:06:37] And on the flip side of that the fact that Roy lets it go shows his development as well

[02:06:42] Given their backstory and their combined history with relation to keely

[02:06:45] I was so happy that in this moment and I specify this moment

[02:06:51] Isn't used to further a tug of war between them and misjones is affection

[02:06:54] However the scene MVP is so clearly will I completely forgot he was there and when he popped in

[02:07:00] I laughed out loud so hard my dog jumped up from her peaceful nap

[02:07:04] I don't know about anyone else, but when Nate starts to confess during the diamond dog session

[02:07:08] And Ted and beard have that look of is he actually going to fess up

[02:07:12] And then native mr. Kissing keely and beard gives his this fucking guy face

[02:07:17] You just have to wonder what's racing through his mind as all the layers of Nate's crapiness really starts to come to light

[02:07:24] I like the season two a two different bookends first Danny bookending the Richmond seasons with penalty kicks rest in peace

[02:07:31] And the seasons first and last shots being Nate's face

[02:07:34] Even if I did want to punch said face by seasons end

[02:07:39] Now I mentioned this on Ben's will helm podcast about our favorite baseball movies

[02:07:43] But Ted lasso is in a lot of ways a spiritual successor to the movie major league

[02:07:48] Seeing Roy Kent and Jamie Tart have the Roger Doran Rick Vaughan moment which I completely forgotten about

[02:07:54] Gave me mocho mocho joy. Yeah

[02:07:57] I was also so happy that Trent Krim narked on himself for revealing his source

[02:08:01] He has such incredible integrity that I remember when I first watched the previous episode

[02:08:05] I was shocked he would break that ethical code like that

[02:08:08] And knowing that he admitted he did it and accepted as a smithel made me love him so much more

[02:08:13] And lastly, I don't know how much you guys follow soccer

[02:08:16] But making Nate look like Jose merino was such a delightful choice by the crew here

[02:08:22] Jose merino is a coach that knows how to win and often does

[02:08:26] But also burns the clubs he's in charge of to the ground in a roughly three-year window

[02:08:31] He is a brash abrasive completely full of himself and always looking to blame others for his failures as a leader

[02:08:37] He's a weasel and a snake mixed together and having Nate's entire look resemble him wasn't inspired choice by the team

[02:08:45] That's all for me folks keep up the great work. And as always dude you got a little arts on you

[02:08:54] He's in his he's in his lost free watch right now too

[02:08:57] So he's kind of he's he's got a lot of us in his ears

[02:09:03] You know I did so funny because I'm also doing a lost free watch with my kids and

[02:09:10] I have to stay silent while they're discuss the episodes like I just sit there and they've taken to texting me their theories during the episode

[02:09:18] Which is hilarious. It's so one I love every second of it Danny has detailed notes on her phone

[02:09:26] That she just keeps adding to and then she'll like show me some of them and she has all these questions

[02:09:31] And she's like just tell me if any of them are answered any of them

[02:09:39] Um, I I love I completely didn't think about this um and I checked it while we were listening

[02:09:46] I'll explain it from a great point that the season does bookend with close-ups on Nate

[02:09:51] season season two episode one starts with a close-up on Nate and packs out

[02:09:58] I was I was so I was so interested in the book ending of

[02:10:03] Earl

[02:10:06] I didn't even know yeah, I didn't even think about that. So I guess maybe this was

[02:10:11] A story about Nate this season was meant to be Nate's journey. Yeah

[02:10:16] Um, so thank you to everybody who left us feedback for this week

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[02:10:42] Although I do like the idea of the good place being

[02:10:45] The next one. I love that. I kind of really like that idea

[02:10:50] I do too because it keeps with us feeling good too

[02:10:53] Yeah, it's a feel-good show. It's hilarious and it's been gone for more than a year

[02:10:59] Been going for a couple years actually. Well maybe going forward we should have a new rule saying it has me gone for a year

[02:11:07] Okay, all right fair enough

[02:11:10] That that might be a good rule to have

[02:11:12] I mean we were gonna do this either way

[02:11:15] True

[02:11:16] We were gonna break that rule anyways because we both love the show so freaking much

[02:11:22] But going forward let's have a rule

[02:11:24] Okay, that's fair. That's fair

[02:11:27] Uh

[02:11:28] Recommendations before we head out for the week

[02:11:31] I gotta tell you bad batch man if you're not watching bad batch right now you are just you're out of it

[02:11:37] It's sad batch is so good right now

[02:11:39] Yeah, it's really really

[02:11:41] Believe it's the last season. I'm so sad. It's the last season bad batch is really really good

[02:11:48] Look it is Star Wars animation and I don't care what anybody says Star Wars knows how to do their animated shows period

[02:11:54] Rebels was amazing bad batches better

[02:11:57] Yeah, I agree with you too and I'm actually really excited because

[02:12:01] um

[02:12:03] When I work Rhode Island Comic Con in November of this year

[02:12:07] Um, De Bradley Baker is one of the guests

[02:12:10] Who if you don't know who that is he does the voice of every member of the bad batch voices. Yes. There's two voice actors

[02:12:20] In most episodes there are two voice actors

[02:12:23] Yeah, Omega and the rest of them and the bad batch. Yeah, yeah, because he does the voice of all of them

[02:12:29] But I mean, I am just loving

[02:12:32] And if you haven't seen bad batch just skip ahead a little bit because I just what you're watching

[02:12:36] Right I'm caught up. Yeah, okay. I am loving Omega and crosshair

[02:12:41] Yeah, that is the duo. I never knew I needed it is such an interesting dynamic too

[02:12:47] Like bringing him back into the mix and putting the two of them together because it's oh, it's so good

[02:12:52] Because they don't have they have a true sibling relationship

[02:12:55] Whereas I feel that omega and the rest of

[02:12:59] And the rest of the bad batch have a fatherly child relationship

[02:13:03] There's like a Pete a paternal love yeah from hunter and wrecker and echo

[02:13:10] But when it comes to crosshair that is true sibling

[02:13:14] Territory well, and I love the fact too that like it's you you had

[02:13:19] Like obviously there was already a camaraderie with

[02:13:23] With all of them together as the bad batch before omega even came into the picture right

[02:13:27] But now they're using omega as a way to kind of transition him back into the group. She's the bridge

[02:13:33] Yeah, she's the bridge to get him back as to being a full member of the bad batch again

[02:13:38] I need him to start being honest about his hand drummer

[02:13:42] Oh, yeah

[02:13:43] godly. I love this show. It's so good. It's so good

[02:13:46] um

[02:13:48] The only other recommendation recommendation I have is there's another apple plus series that I

[02:13:53] Highly recommend to anybody who because I just started watching and I'm only two episodes in but it's fantastic

[02:13:58] um

[02:13:59] And it the season has already concluded but anybody who is a fan of

[02:14:03] series like band of brothers and the pacific this comes from

[02:14:08] This comes from the same producers. It's called masters of the air

[02:14:12] I heard it's fantastic on apple tv plus and it's it's I'm only two episodes in and it's

[02:14:17] It is it's so good Austin Butler is fantastic

[02:14:21] In the series, it's it's nine episodes for the first season and I'm already like I got up

[02:14:26] I thought it was ten

[02:14:29] Maybe it is ten. I know that I know that my parents said that they watched the ninth episode and

[02:14:35] They looked everywhere for the next episode and I guess it's

[02:14:39] Not out yet, so it's still airing

[02:14:42] It is no it is only nine episodes. I was right

[02:14:44] Oh, so it's over yes, it's over

[02:14:47] Oh, I think my

[02:14:50] Interesting I wonder how it ends then because my parents are desperate for another episode

[02:14:54] No, it's you can tell them it's done

[02:14:57] Oh, no, I don't want to

[02:15:00] um

[02:15:01] And I fit it is a mini series so there's not gonna be a second season either. It's right right

[02:15:05] It's like band of brothers in the pacific. Yes, which have you seen the pacific? Oh god

[02:15:08] Yes, you know bottle brutal brutal

[02:15:11] I watch we watch band of brothers once a year

[02:15:13] It's something that we do it's I will not watch the pacific again

[02:15:18] It's too brutal for me to watch again is fantastic but

[02:15:22] Holy cow were the Japanese

[02:15:26] Barbaric yeah

[02:15:28] barbaric

[02:15:30] I I love band of brothers. That was a totally different war

[02:15:34] There's there's been a lot of great

[02:15:37] Historical mini series HBO does them well yes they do

[02:15:41] John Adams, yeah

[02:15:46] John Adams was just you should do a Benjamin Franklin mini series you were just talking about this

[02:15:51] We were we were and maybe don't cast Michael Douglas as

[02:15:57] Benjamin Franklin. I can't see Michael Douglas's Benjamin Franklin

[02:16:01] You should when we're done here, we're gonna watch that trailer because I have to show you

[02:16:05] I have to show you the clip from the newsroom too

[02:16:07] Okay, good yeah, so all right

[02:16:09] So then any final notes before we wrap up? No

[02:16:12] Okay, this is a a a longer episode but we did have a lot to talk about at the top and it was a finale

[02:16:18] Yeah, so we knew this was gonna be a longer episode

[02:16:21] But thank you to everybody for sticking it out. Listen to the entire episode

[02:16:25] For being a part of this community all that you guys do next episode season three episode one the season three premiere of the final season

[02:16:33] Smells like mean spirit

[02:16:37] Clever title

[02:16:38] But thank you for being a part of this community until next time we'll see you guys back out on the pitch

[02:16:43] Take care. Bye-bye

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