Episode 106: LOST S06E17&18 "The End" 2-PART SERIES FINALE

[00:00:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you real? I sure hope so. Yeah, I'm real. You're real. Everything that's ever happened

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_02]: to you is real. All those people in the church, they're all real too. They're all... they're

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_02]: all dead. Everyone dies sometime, kiddo. Some of them before you, some long after you. But

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_02]: why are they all here now? Well there is no now here. Where are we dad? This is a place

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: that you... that you all made together so that you could find one another. The most

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_02]: important part of your life was the time that you spent with these people. That's why

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_02]: all of you are here. Nobody does it alone, Jack. You needed all of them and they needed

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_12]: you. For what? To remember and to let go. Kate, she said we were leaving. Not leaving.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_10]: Moving on. Where are we going? Let's go find out. We have come to the end of this particular

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_10]: journey after 121 episodes of the series. Welcome to another episode of The Revisited

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Podcast. I'm Ben. And I am Kristen. So the finale is here. We no longer have to say that it's a

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_06]: spoiler full podcast because there's nothing to spoil. And yeah, we've reached the end of our

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Lost Re-Watch at season 6, episode 17. The end. Okay, but I got it.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_06]: No, you didn't. You missed an episode. It was a two and a half hour finale. It was two and a

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_06]: half hour finale that aired one time. I'm sorry that the streaming services have made it into

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_10]: two. It is one episode, episode 17. The end. All right. The end. Fair enough. And just as the

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_10]: series kind of bookends its story, as do we bookend our discussion and breakdown with our guest.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_10]: He joined us for the pilot and he returns for the finale. Welcome back, Jason.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_11]: Hello. When we started the premiere, I opened my eye and at the end of this podcast,

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I'll be closing my eye. You'll close your eye? Okay. Perfect. Just make sure you have a dog.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, shit. I have a cat. You know what? You find that cat.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_10]: So, I mean, yeah, I mean, it took us a little longer than expected obviously because of

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_10]: things happening. You know, we had a pandemic. We had a bunch of stuff happen in real life,

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_10]: but we got here. We've gotten to the end of this discussion.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_11]: The show lasted six years and you did it in five, so.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_11]: So, we're ahead of the game. Oh, okay. If you look at it that way, yeah.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you, Mr. Stover-Lining.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_11]: And congratulations by the way. That is incredibly cool to have made it through the whole show

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_10]: to the end. It's really cool. There's a matter of satisfaction in the fact that we

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_10]: have gotten to this point, but it's a little bittersweet because of how much we love this show.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_11]: And now. Just like when we watched it, we felt that way. Yeah, that's true as well.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_11]: I was curious if you know what I'm asking, if your thoughts about the series changed much

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_11]: after or throughout the rewatch and like if your favorite episode changed your

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_11]: characters or anything or not? You want to take this one, Kristen?

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_06]: So,

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_06]: you know there's been a lot of changes I think throughout the entire series. I will say that

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I think I can speak for both Ben and myself that our love for the show deepened. A lot of things

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_06]: started to make more sense as we talked about certain things that, you know,

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_06]: maybe the first or second or third time that we watched it, maybe had a question mark. But then

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_06]: after analyzing it and following it and talking about it, you know, we made new revelations

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_06]: like Charles Woodmore is Biff Tannen. That was a good one. But I mean, one thing is very much

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_06]: for certain, I have a problem with Jack Shepherd. I didn't know that until we started doing the

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_06]: household. You could do it, you could do it, press it, press it. Oh, I don't have it ready.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, hold on, here we go. Jack just sucks. I thought, I mean, watching the show, I probably

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_11]: watched every episode twice at least. And I just think, and this is, I think I said this

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_11]: when I was on in the premiere, but you know, Matthew Fox has had some accusations leveled

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_11]: against him over the years of just having some anger issues, we'll say and not dwell on it too much.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_11]: But I think one thing the show did really well was wrote to what the actors were doing.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_11]: And I think maybe they sent some anger in him that all speculation, I don't know,

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_11]: and put it in Jack's character because he got really angry and rude.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_11]: That's what you're talking about. But

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_06]: no, I'm talking about the fact that he was just a just an awful leader for most of the series.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_10]: I do get that, but I also think too, at the same time, the redemption or the arc that Jack goes

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_10]: through, I think makes it even more redeeming by the end. Which I understand, but we didn't

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_06]: enough of that. I feel like we got about four or five episodes in the last half of this last season

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_06]: before we really started to see him as the final Jack that we see.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_11]: And maybe if you're one of the many people who died because of his leadership, you could

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_11]: see him in heaven and congratulate him on being redeemed at least.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Okay.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_11]: I had to die, but at least you had your character arc.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, at least you got your redemption. I died before I got mine, but whatever.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_10]: Whatever, flaming arrow. Fun.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_10]: I can say for myself in regards to rewatching the series, there are definitely,

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_10]: I had a deeper, I agree with Kristen in our love for the show deepened and rewatch.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_10]: My love for particular characters deepened as well. And I actually gained a new appreciation

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_10]: for some of the characters that I never really had before. I've said it many times that Ben is

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_10]: one of my favorite characters and I stick to that. But I gained a whole new appreciation for Sawyer

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_10]: as a character in the rewatch of this. And I don't think, I think in our analysis of everything

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_10]: through with this for five years or however long it took us and rewatching all six seasons,

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_10]: I think my appreciation for the finale itself grew. I think it hit me a little harder emotionally

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_10]: this time than it ever has before.

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I was pregnant once during a rewatch, so I can't say that, but I definitely see what you're saying.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_11]: That's great.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. So I will say real quick as, because he just brought up Sawyer, we just watched the pilot

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_06]: with my kids and at the end of the pilot, both of my kids are like, who is this guy? He sucks.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Why is he so mean? I'm like, hey, that's Sawyer show some respect.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_11]: Just wait.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_11]: You're all of them.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Because I was, I listened to a couple of your earlier episodes, including the pilot up that

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_11]: we did together. I apologize.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_11]: The more recent ones. I apologize because I somehow was recording through my computer's

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_11]: built-in mic and it sounded really bad and I'm so embarrassed. But it was a fun podcast.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_11]: There's a couple of things I wanted to mention before we got into the finale.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_11]: One is last week when you guys were pointing out that how none of the characters were in good places

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_11]: in their lives when Jacob chose them and maybe that's why he chose them,

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_11]: I was thinking, you might even say they were all lost.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_06]: And we didn't mean to say that. That was good.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_11]: I kind of think that might be part of it. I don't know. I always thought that

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_11]: these people all seem kind of lost in the show, in their lives.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_11]: And then the other thing is I had mentioned on that podcast that we did together,

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_11]: the first one that I did a panel with some of the lost actors,

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_11]: including Harold Parano at Walker Stalker.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_11]: And so I made this audio clip to show a lost walking dead connection and I played it for

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_11]: him and I didn't have it ready to play for you guys, but I have it now. So I'll play

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_11]: it. Here we go.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_10]: It came over a little muffled because of the way you were playing it, but

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_10]: oh, we got I got it.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Tell what it was.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like the worst game of Marco Polo ever.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_04]: That's funny.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I love it so much.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_06]: So did you when you, I mean, obviously you haven't done the full rewatch, like we have

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Jason, but when you rewatched the finale, do you pick up on new things every single time you watch it?

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_11]: I probably have only seen it once since it originally aired until now. So now twice

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_11]: and I probably watched it twice back then. So I've seen it like four times.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_11]: And oh gosh, I don't know. I mean, it just watching it today brought back

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_11]: so many memories. Like when I had thought about the finale before, I'd thought about the last

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_11]: few minutes, which we're going to say for the end of this podcast. And so I had, yeah,

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_11]: I had forgotten kind of the rest of it and now I remember loving the finale, but I now watching it

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_11]: again remembered, yeah, the whole thing was great, not just the end. So that was good

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_11]: to remember. Like it's, I think it's one of the best finales of any show ever, honestly.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_06]: I love it mainly because I feel that in doing the finale this particular way,

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_06]: we were able to get closure on all of our characters. There's very few that we don't

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_06]: get closure on and you know, we'll talk about that later because I do, that's one of my

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_06]: very few nitpicks of the show. But I love the fact that we got to see everybody

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_06]: again just one more time. That felt really good and it was believable the way that they did it

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_06]: and it fit in with the whole narrative of the series as a whole. I just, yeah, I loved it.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_11]: I thought it was wonderful. Yeah, like the strengths of this show are around the characters

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_11]: and what they've been through together and what they meant to each other and the emotionality

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_11]: of all of that and this finale and also the fandom is one of the strengths of the show too,

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_11]: the rabid, engaged fandom. And this episode played to those strengths, just a series of

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_11]: reunions and they're also emotional and you're feeling it right along with them.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_11]: And then to have them all together at the end and also the fact that every time somebody woke up,

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_11]: you saw a quick series of clip flashbacks, you know, scenes, iconic scenes,

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_11]: a lock with the big orange and just, you know, Charlie and Claire with the peanut butter and

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_11]: everything that as a fan it just like it was an emotional roller coaster, like just a great

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_11]: way to incorporate the themes of the show and the fandom into this finale. It was so satisfying.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. And I'll admit too, you know, going into this, the closer that we got to the finale as

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_10]: we were covering this, I actually started to, and Kristen, I never even admitted this to you,

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_10]: but I started getting a little nervous because we were pumping up everything as much as we were.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_10]: We were plugging it, we were saying how much we loved the finale, we couldn't wait to talk about

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_10]: it, but we were getting the points in the six C's and where there were elements we didn't

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_10]: remember. And I started to get nervous that what if we get to the finale and it doesn't live

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_10]: up to my memory of how good it is, especially because of all this breakdown that we've been doing?

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_10]: What if there are new things now that I discover that kind of take away a little bit? So I was

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_10]: actually very nervous going into washing the finale. And then there were particular moments

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_10]: that just I started turning into a blubbering idiot. And I'm like, Nope, still love this finale

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_11]: just, just as much. Interesting thing about the lost finale is more often than not,

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_11]: it comes up in conversation with me fairly often a couple times a year or something like that.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_11]: When I mention it to someone or it comes up, they roll their eyes and say it's signed. And

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_11]: I suspect that most people have that reaction because they're thinking of it in terms of

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_11]: whether it answered the mysteries of the show in a satisfying way because that's such a big

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_11]: part of lost. And if you think it didn't, which I don't, and you know, there's no more loss than

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_11]: you feel unsatisfied. And so you put that all on the finale. But the thing is, lost is in my opinion,

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_11]: that's one of the that's the big flaw is how they handle the mysteries. And I can go more

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_11]: into that if we want or not. I don't have to but do it. But okay, let me talk about that

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_11]: just a little bit. So but bear with me because the good stuff's at the end. So

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_11]: anyone can make up trippy shit and put some eerie music to it and have characters interact with it

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_11]: like there's a purple orb floating in your bedroom and it's pulsing and sending out waves of war.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_11]: Isn't that weird? And why is that happening? Oh, I just don't worry about that. It's weird,

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_11]: though, right? And so it's like empty calories, right? And when you like what are these weird

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_11]: numbers when you put that out there, the expectation is going to be that some there's

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_11]: something underneath it that ties in with the characters of that with the themes. But JJ Abrams

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_11]: is is about the mystery box, not what's inside the box. And there are answers like these numbers

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_11]: that kept popping up everywhere hurly used them to win the lottery and

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Desmond had to punch him into the computer and you know, 4815 1623 42 will never forget.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_11]: And we wonder it's so cool and trippy that they kept coming up. But what's it all about?

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_11]: And it turns out there are coefficients to this Valenzetti equation. This formula predicts the

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_11]: end of humanity and the Dharma Initiative conducted experiments to try to change the

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_11]: values of the numbers, which I think was in the show, but mostly you got it from

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_11]: ancillary materials. And I think that's because the writers knew that the answer

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_11]: wasn't satisfying. That's why they didn't dwell on it. And so you felt like or I felt like

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_11]: the show is built on a system of getting you curious about this trippy thing, but the answers

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_11]: were kind of

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_11]: it substance less just some sci fi thing that they made up. And so I felt kind of strong along.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_11]: It's like it's like I think of pickup where like pickup artists where they go into a bar

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_11]: and pretend to be like a rock star or something, but they're not. It's just a show and you get

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_11]: people hooked in, but then you realize there's nothing underneath. So that's kind of it

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_11]: feels like a lie. That's how I felt about a lot of the mysteries of the show is really cool,

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_11]: the trippiness of it, but the substance wasn't there. But that's not the only thing to this

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_11]: show. I mean, A, it was cool to watch all the trippiness of the smoke monster and everything

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_11]: else. But B, it was also brilliant about making these characters that we cared about

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_11]: felt so connected to about the beauty of the way the show is made with the locations

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_11]: and the cinematography and the music, the acting, the humor, the emotion of it that you felt so

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_11]: attached. And so if you set aside for the finale the whole part about whether you felt satisfied

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_11]: with the mysteries and just take it in and of itself as an episode of TV, it's so good. It's

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_11]: like so gripping. I even though I have that love hate thing about lost, it's mostly love.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_11]: And I just think that and also it's so complex with all the characters and moving parts. And

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_11]: you have to for in two realities, and you have to give everyone something to do. And the writers

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_11]: did a great job at that. So like I said, I think it's just one of the best finales of

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_11]: any show ever, whether it solved the mysteries to people's satisfaction or not. That's my take

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_10]: on it. I think even in the same way that you jokingly brought up that clip with the

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_10]: wall in the car, all making the comparison of the walking dead. I think there's similar

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_10]: comparisons to the show itself in that it becomes lost as the further it progresses into the series,

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_10]: it becomes less about the island and the people there, even though that is a huge part of the

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_10]: story. But it becomes more about the characters. And that's why when we get the endings that

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_10]: we do for these characters, we are so emotionally invested in these characters that we're done

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_10]: with the island story. And then the last 10 minutes is the story that's purely about these

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_10]: characters. And, you know, all these I can't go off, God, my mind is blanking on the reunions.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_10]: That's the one I was like, yeah, all these reunions of characters. It's because by the end,

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_10]: that's more what this story became about. And I can't watch a show

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_11]: and cry five times and be like, meh, right? It was all right.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm crying because it sucked.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, you know, you touched on something earlier, Jason, that I thought was really,

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_06]: really important is that all these characters had to be in two different realities cobbled

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_06]: together with something to do. And I think that that's a really impressive feat to be able to

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_06]: have this big of a cast and give 90% of them a closure. I mean, that's almost unheard of really

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_06]: in really big shows like this. The whole thing that you said about, you know, not getting the

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_06]: answers to or getting unsatisfying answers or what, I always take myself into the fact that,

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, we live these very complicated lives and this show is a very complicated show.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And I feel like we want the answers from television that we may just want for ourselves.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Like we just need answers to life or to trauma or grief or whatever. And they cut and this show,

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, deals with all of these big questions about life as it is. And I think that they

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_06]: I think that the writers did a really, really good job with not providing answers because

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_06]: you're not going to get all the answers in your life. You're never going to get them. And I know

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_10]: I see I see your thoughts. I don't like that at all. Well, I mean, but even to your point before,

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_10]: like not to cut you off, but even to your point, but I think even Linda Lough and Qs even came

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_10]: out and said the same thing that in life, you never get all the answers. I think it's a cop out

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_11]: every question. I think it's a cop out because everyone says that about lost. I got something to

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_06]: say about that, but I see you're not done. But and the numbers when you say that, and this is

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_06]: nothing. This is just when you're like, Oh, you know, these numbers were so important, we need

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_06]: meaning to the numbers. All I could think of was that the secret to life is 42. Like the whole

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_11]: time you're saying that. So let's just yeah. So I've heard that a lot. Karen said the same

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_11]: thing to me more or less. And like, I think about this movie Lost in Translation. Have you

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_11]: guys seen that? Yeah, I love that movie. It's one of my favorites. And they have this really

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_11]: interesting relationship where they're both married, they're of different ages, they don't

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_11]: really belong together, but they share this experience in a foreign place and they bond.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_11]: And at the end, he whisper something into her ear. And we don't get to hear what it is.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_11]: And I love that because it's more powerful not knowing. You get it without if you heard

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_11]: it, it would probably take away from it. So that's a mystery that I love. But with Lost,

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_11]: when you just want to know like why when you throw someone in the big light, does he turn

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_11]: into a plume of smoke? Well, it's about the mysteries of life. That just seems like a

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_11]: trying to make something poetic that's just frustrating. Like I don't,

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_11]: it doesn't add to the mystique of it to me. It just makes me feel like the writers don't have a

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_11]: good answer. But to that particular point, though, I was just about to say that.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_10]: To that particular point, though, if you listen to the podcast, we did come up with a theory as

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_10]: to why that happens in essence that his when Jacob threw his brother in there, he didn't

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_10]: actually become the smoke monster. It was literally just the smoke monster took the

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_10]: form of Jacob's brother, because Jacob's brother's body was recovered the same as John

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_10]: Locke's body was recovered. They are not the same person. They are two separate entities.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay. So I still like how did we enter that? I mean, I have so many questions like that where

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_11]: it's that are that I don't I mean, maybe if you guys had answers to all of them,

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_11]: then I would change my mind. But it's just it I don't know. There's definitely

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_11]: a mystery that adds to things. And then there's a mystery that just feels like, okay, we didn't

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_11]: have a good answer. But isn't that great that there's mystery to life? And I'm like, no,

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't that doesn't work in the same way for me.

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_10]: But at the same time, just using that question again, as a prime example of,

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_10]: you know, everybody thought it was a mystery and it was never solved. And then we go through

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_10]: and we do this podcast, and we get to that point. And we make this theory. And I can

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_10]: say, you know, probably speaking for you, Kristen, we were so blown away when we came

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_10]: up with this theory that we were convinced was real. It's now canon to us. So like it was,

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_10]: it to us, that was a way of the show leaving something open to interpretation for people

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_10]: to discover their own answers to. And I'm totally fine with that. Because when we came up with

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_10]: the answer to that question, whether it's true or not, it's an answer to us and we were so

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_06]: enthused about it. We were really impressed with ourselves. Like, we're the smartest

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_11]: people in the world. I mean, I think we could talk about this a lot and maybe we would

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_11]: come to some kind of an agreement on it. But I don't think we should because we're here to talk

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_11]: about the finale. And I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree about it.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm fine with that. Yeah. I mean, I encourage people to disagree all the time. I think

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_06]: that that's like, I know that you love that Jason, but yeah, that creates a really nice

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_06]: back and forth about television and anything really. Yeah. And I think it's good when you feel like

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_11]: you have permission to say something that other people are saying the opposite or whatever,

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_11]: and we can all talk about it without it being big deal, you know? Well, I mean,

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_06]: we're not like physically in front of each other, so I'm not gonna punch you today.

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. Otherwise then maybe. Otherwise. Thank God for Streamyard.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_10]: But I mean, even with podcasting, if everybody agreed with everything everybody said,

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_10]: life would be so plain and boring. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm glad there's disagreements and there's debates about this kind of thing.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Just as long as you know you're wrong. I mean, there are stories that handle mystery really

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_11]: well where I'm like, okay, that yeah, that left me thinking like it gave me something to grapple with

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_11]: that was somehow satisfying. And for me, loss was not that. Okay. That's fair. Okay. So we,

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_06]: you wanted to talk about, did you want to talk about anything else before moving on to the next

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_11]: thing? No, I mean, I do just, I mean, for me, the finale, like I said, it's one of the best

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_11]: finales of any show ever. So I don't want what I just said to color that because.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, it's not changing my opinion.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_11]: We have more to talk about. Yeah, we have plenty more to talk about.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah. So the next thing I had is just how emotional it was. And I mean,

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_11]: there were so many moments where I fell and, and I mean, Michael Gekino just knows how to pluck

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_11]: those a more amplify every musical hits. Yeah. Yeah. And he just at the right moment when

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_11]: something was happening, it wasn't just the times when people woke up to each other,

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_11]: but that was a lot of it because often it was when something was happening already that was

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_11]: already emotional and it seemed like that kind of got them going. But I like, I loved when Jack

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_11]: and Locke are in the hospital in the flash sideways and Locke says his legs are fixed and Jack's

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_11]: like, Oh no, it'll take a while. And then he starts wiggling his toes. And then Locke starts

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_11]: to wake up. And of course that's a moment, an emotional moment. But he goes, did you just

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_11]: feel that or something? And then Jack, of course, takes longer than anyone else to wake up

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_11]: because he has so much trouble letting go, which I kind of love. It makes sense for his character.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_11]: That's why I take anyway. Yeah, I think Jack and so anyway, but, but you can see that Locke is

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_11]: fully awake and he's just got this big smile on his face like you're my friend. And that

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_11]: happened over and over again when they would just like son and Jen, see Sawyer and they're

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_11]: just, they don't even try to wake him up. They're just smiling. And to me, that's my

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_06]: favorite part because he, because he says I'm a cop and Jen is just laughing. He's like,

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_11]: sure you are. Okay, wow. Sure, detective.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_11]: To me it's a little, this is a little edgy, but it was back in the early 2000 rave or days

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_11]: when I went through an ecstasy phase and it reminded me of that when you're on E and you

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_11]: just look around and look at your friends and realize how much you love them. Like every

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_11]: moment, remind you of that like, Oh my God, I love you so much. You guys are the best.

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, exactly. I have no idea.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_10]: But just to backtrack for a minute too, before we get too far into this, I just remember this and

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_10]: I wanted to mention it earlier when we were talking about the numbers because the numbers

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_10]: don't really play into this finale, but you brought them up earlier. Well, they're at

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_10]: table 23, but yeah. That's true. But Henry E. and Cusick was actually a guest at DragonCon

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_10]: this past weekend. And for anybody that has worked at the convention circuit before,

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_10]: there's tape on the ground that leads you down the path to get to the guest's table.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_10]: Henry E. and Cusick at his actually had four. As you were continuing along the path to his

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_10]: table, he had the numbers in tape along the path and the 42 was right in front of his table.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_10]: Excellent. So the four was at the entrance and the 42 was that it was right at his table.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_11]: He came to a Walker Stalker. It was when I did my biggest lost panel. It was him, Elizabeth

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_11]: Mitchell, Mira Furlan who played Danielle. Danielle Russo. I think Nestor Carbonell might have been

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_11]: on it and. Was it Emily Daraven? No, I'd never gotten to talk to her. But Henry E. and Cusick,

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_11]: I think it was his first panel and he was really anxious about it. Like he almost didn't even want

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_11]: to do it, but Elizabeth Mitchell was such a calming presence and got him to go up there. And

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_11]: I was like, Hey, it's going to be great. Don't worry. They all love you so much, which was true.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_11]: And he like they would ask questions about Desmond and his story is so complicated

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_11]: and he'd be like, well, I don't know. And then one of the people in the audience would

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_11]: answer it. You know, oh, it's because of this and that. Okay. Okay. That sounds right.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I love that. That's pretty good. You want to come up here and do the rest of this?

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_06]: You know what? Can we talk about Desmond just for a sec?

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. I think because it wasn't really until, and I'm very ashamed to admit this,

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_06]: but it wasn't until this watch, this last watch that I really fully understood Desmond as the constant.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_06]: For some reason, it took me a little longer than everybody else, but

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_06]: him having full memories in both the Flash sideways and the present or on the island

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_06]: and knowing exactly what was happening, what had to be done. I mean, he didn't know how it was going

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_06]: to turn out obviously because he thought for sure that the minute he unplugged it,

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_06]: he was going to disappear and he was going to be fine. So that was a bit of a surprise for him.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_06]: However, I just loved the fact that he was in the centerpiece of the episode,

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_06]: the constant and the centerpiece of the episode, the variable I believe.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_06]: If I know the constant, I'm less confident on the variable. And then to see that kind of all come

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_06]: together at the end really cemented in me that even though there are all these leftover hanging

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_06]: questions, there was still a plan. You see that there's still this plan, this end game especially

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_06]: with these characters that were only supposed to be there for a couple of episodes, but they

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_06]: were so popular. They're like, let's throw them in and see what happens. And Desmond was a perfect

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_06]: example of that. I just don't see the show working without that character ever.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_10]: I did develop a new theory about Desmond in rewatching this as well. And that is,

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_10]: and you know me, I always love it when I come up with these new theories,

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_10]: just like we did with Jacob's brother. But I feel like we talked constantly a lot about how

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_10]: everything that happened with all of these characters was nothing more than a game,

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_10]: was a long played game between Jacob and the man in black. And Desmond and how these people were

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_10]: just pieces in that game and then eventually you know the game ends the way it does. Desmond

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_10]: himself, even to the point where he was in the hatch pressing the button, I feel like was always

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_10]: part of the plan because by the end of this, when he's the one, he's the only one that can go

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_10]: down. He's the one that can survive all this electromagnetism to be able to unplug this cork,

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_10]: unpop this cork or pop the cork rather. I feel like it's the same way if you ever develop an

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_10]: allergy to something and you end up going to a doctor and the only way they fight that allergy

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_10]: is by giving you a little bit of it until you develop an immunity to it. What if him being

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_10]: in the hatch pushing that button was to, for him to develop the ability to survive that magnetism?

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_10]: I like it. I like that too. For him to be that person to do that. Yeah, I like that.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_11]: You can pull the cork out so that the man in black slash lock could be vulnerable for some reason.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_11]: And then,

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_11]: just in case. It's a great mystery of life. What I thought of when you brought up Desmond is I love

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_11]: when Jack says, you go home and be with your wife and son and he goes, what about you, Jack?

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_11]: And he goes, I'll see you in another life, brother. And that's such a great, you know,

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_11]: him using his line on him. But then he does see him in another life.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he does. Well, and then I think he also said to Sawyer. I think one of the last things

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_06]: he said to Sawyer was or somebody was, I'll see you on the other side.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_06]: I can't remember. Yeah, it was, I just finished watching it. So it was one of them.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_10]: Was it said in the finale? Yeah.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Jack said it. I'll see you on the other side and I go and I remember thinking both times I

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_10]: watched it, yes, you will. But yeah, I mean, we talked a little bit about that before too,

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_10]: where I think it was the episode of the constant where Jesus, my mind is going blank

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_10]: with names and words. Charles Whitmore, thank you. I'm thanking myself for remembering.

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_10]: Where Charles Whitmore was exposing him to all that electromagnetism and, you know, he saw it as

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_10]: him going to another reality where all this was happening. But in reality, he was going to this

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_10]: meeting place where they were all at, which was them in a form of kind of afterlife before

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_10]: entering the actual afterlife. So in all reality, Charles Whitmore exposing him to that

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_10]: electromagnetism was just simply Desmond having a near death experience. He technically had died

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_10]: and experienced all of that. But in Desmond's mind, this was another reality, which is what he's

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_10]: telling Jack towards the end of this. You know, we were sitting next to each other on Oceanic 815.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_10]: Like we, the plane landed, we all survived this. He's recapping to Jack basically the

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_11]: afterlife, which Kristen, as you mentioned, he remembers. So you're saying Desmond experienced

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_11]: all that during his near death experience and not his later actual death? Yes. Oh, okay. I think it

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_10]: was a near death experience and that's what he... But then he went on with everybody into the

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_11]: suite here after, didn't he? Wasn't he in the church? Yeah, he goes to the head. So how could he then come

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_06]: back if it was just a near death experience? Well, because he never... Because they were outside of time

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_06]: when they were in the church. They're outside of time. Yeah. But what I'm saying is if you're

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_11]: in real time and you have a near death experience, go into the flash sideways, go off to heaven,

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_10]: and then you come back about the rest of your life and then by and then... He never goes off

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_10]: to the head. And that's what Kristen Shepard mentioned, which we're diving into that last 10

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_10]: minutes again. No, no, it's totally fine. It kind of needs to be said is that Kristen says,

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_10]: this is a place you all created so that you could be together to move on. So Desmond didn't go

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_10]: to the afterlife. He goes to that place in his near death experience. It's one of the reasons...

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_11]: But he's not with him in the church at the... He is with them in the church at the end.

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_10]: So you're saying he didn't go into the light? He didn't go into the light. He was still

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_10]: in that he was entering back and forth into that created place. Because everybody in that

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_10]: created place had passed. They were all dead at that time. At different times. And Hurley says

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_11]: that at different times. I know that. I understand that, but I'm just saying if you go there from

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_11]: a near death experience, then can you come back and live out the rest of your life and then

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_11]: die and then go there again? You know what I mean? Right. Well, I think that's the reason

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_06]: why Desmond is aware of everything. Okay. Yeah. I also think that that's just a part of him

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_06]: being that constant, you know? About him being at... He's special. Yeah, he's special. He's always been

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_06]: special. I think that that's a good way to put it. How about more of your emotional moments?

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, you guys too. What about you? What comes up when I say that? Well, for me, it was...

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Just saying it. I know.

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, yeah. But Jen and Son and Juliet, is that what you're telling me to say?

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_10]: No. Well, I knew you were going to go with Jen and Son. Yeah.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_06]: God. I think it was so perfect to have Jen and Son's wake-up moment to be exactly when it was.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, Juliet comes in there. They don't say anything. She's like,

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_06]: oh, you don't speak English in her being her perfect Juliet self. She's just like,

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_06]: that's okay. We'll make it work. And then you just see this exact scene unfold,

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_06]: almost exactly the way that it unfolded the first time when they realized that she really

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_06]: was pregnant and Son got her first ultrasound. And then they're all... And then you shoot forward to

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Jen and Son in the hospital, in the flash sideways. And they're both just like, I remember,

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I remember, oh my gosh. And then it's just so amazing because I just started crying at this

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_06]: moment because they're like, we already know as a girl, we already know her name, everything

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_06]: is great. I was surprised that they would have chosen to move on in the church. I would have thought

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_06]: 100% that they would have just been like, let's live in this area just for a little bit and try

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_10]: being parents. Okay. I do have a note on that. But in regards to that too, I love the fact that

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_10]: what gives Son and Jen their enlightenment moment is their daughter. Yeah. That is what

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_10]: gives them their enlightenment. And the one thing that they never got to share together.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_11]: Exactly. And that they could then speak English was such great writing. It was so fun. She's like,

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_06]: wait, you guys are great. You guys are amazing. Especially Jen. Jen had at least on the island

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_06]: when he learned English. Jen still had some sort of an accent. And this one, he's completely

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_10]: American. But I had that same thought too of well, okay, if this is what's most important

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_10]: to these people and this is what's causing them to move on together, what about their children?

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_10]: Because obviously Claire has Aaron, Jen and Son have Jiyeon. And Aaron does actually move on.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_10]: Aaron is in the church with Claire and Charlie. And it made me think, well, what about, you know,

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_10]: Jen and Son? Well, Jen never had the experience of meeting his daughter. So I could kind of

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_10]: put the pass on that. But Jen, but Son is pregnant with them. So in a sense, their

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_06]: daughter is moving on with them. That is true. Also, you saying what you did about, you know,

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Jen and Son being bonded by their daughter, you can say the same thing for,

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_06]: well, you should say the same thing for Kate and Claire, because those two were completely

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_06]: bonded together by Aaron. They both became mothers through Aaron. So the fact that

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_06]: that's how they got their wake up moment as well, I thought that was really beautiful as well.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I love that it didn't have to do with just romantic love. It had to do with what are the big moments

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_06]: from your life? What are the truly life changing moments and yeah.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_11]: And you know how people like it was made clear that people died at some much later than Jack

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_11]: and some earlier, but they all came back to where they were at the most important time of

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_11]: their lives, including the age that they were. So Gion could have lived to like 85 and all of a

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_11]: sudden she's like in the womb. What the heck man? This isn't fair. Excuse me.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_10]: It's really not the most important part of my life. What happened to my life?

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess I'll just swim around for all eternity.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_10]: You know, but while we're talking about like these emotional moments and these

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_10]: enlightenment moments that we're talking about, you know, I really enjoyed seeing

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_10]: Said's enlightened moment, enlightenment coming at the Epihast of Shannon being there and him

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_10]: rescuing Shannon, which is something that he did, you know, on the island and Boone being

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_10]: the one who we got the offscreen enlightenment from Boone.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm glad that Herbie already was woken up and he got to be the one just going around

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_10]: smiling at everybody. So I'm gonna bring this up too and I'm kind of cutting off my own

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_10]: thought process here. But did anybody else, me especially upon second viewing of this finale

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_10]: of second viewing this time because I watched it twice before we podcasted on it,

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_10]: I the second time around got major, major Jacob vibes off of Hurley.

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh yeah. Because at that point, very self possessed and calm.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_10]: Exactly. Because at that point with Hurley in that place, he was already the guardian of the island.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_06]: That was my question. How long do you think Hurley actually had that job?

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know. Steve had mentioned something in his voicemail last week that

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_10]: in New Man In Charge, apparently it's given over to somebody else, but I don't remember that.

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_10]: We'll find that out when we watch that. But I don't know, I was very curious about that too

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_11]: as to how long ago we had it. I presume a while, you know, but who knows? That could be 20 years,

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_06]: it could be 500 years. Yeah. I wonder if Ben got to live as long or if he didn't get the magic

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_10]: juju. Yeah, I don't know. But continuing on with the with the enlightenment moments and

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_10]: emotional moments. So Jin and Son was the first time I got really emotional and actually cried

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_10]: watching this episode. The second one, Kristen, you kind of touched on already. And it was Kate,

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_10]: Claire, and Charlie. And it wasn't Kate and Claire's enlightenment, it was Charlie's.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_10]: When Charlie sees Claire and just immediately bursts into tears. And then it's seeing Claire

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_10]: and seeing Aaron and remembering all of that. Like, that was another one of those moments that I

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_10]: just I started breaking down and I started crying. And when he brought the blanket up,

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_11]: it reminded me of Boone with the pins. Oh, yeah. I don't know what kind you needed.

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I love it when I left in that pilot because just because I just watched it when Boone's like,

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_05]: well, you know, I know what to do CPR because I'm a lifeguard. Jack's like,

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_05]: cool, bro. Why don't you go get a pen? But I love to in that moment where, you know,

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_10]: Kate's already reached her enlightenment. Claire's already reached her enlightenment

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_10]: when Charlie comes back with the blankets. It's Kate that tells Charlie to give them to her

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_10]: because Kate knows this is what Charlie needs. Yeah, to reach that moment. And I love to how

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_11]: everybody when they wake up, I mean, it could have been much different if people were like,

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_11]: fuck, I'm dead. You know, but they were just like, this is where the way it needs to be.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_11]: Everything is perfect. We're going to get our friends together and move on. And it's good.

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, they were just vibing warmth and goodness. And that really was the right tone

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_11]: to strike with all of that. Yeah. Yeah. Mine went my first emotional moment, I think was

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_11]: Hurley just going to pick up Charlie and just smiling at him. And we're just I'm getting

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_11]: choked up now. I'm just thinking about it. We're just like, oh, they were such buddies and we

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_11]: it was so heartbreaking when Charlie left. And even though he's totally not,

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_11]: he's kind of being a rockstar dick. You still can't help but feel and then Hurley tranks him,

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_11]: which was like perfect. That's what loss does. It'll have an emotional like nice warm moment

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_11]: and then turn into something kind of edgy. Sorry, dude. Well, that was one of those

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_10]: moments too that I got. I really got those that Jacob vibe from Hurley because, you know,

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_10]: when he's in that moment, you're right. It's so heartwarming just to see the smile beaming on

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_10]: Hurley's face when he sees Charlie. But then when he tells Charlie like, well, what if I told you

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_10]: this concert is the most important thing you'll ever do? I'm like, that's a total Jacob line right

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_10]: there. Is not going to work on Charlie. No, not at all. But I mean, and because the

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_10]: weird thing is at this point we know Charlie is kind of already in tune that there's something

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_10]: not right. He just doesn't know what it is because he had that experience with Desmond.

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_06]: I think that he had a flash probably on the plane when he bumped into Claire, probably.

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe. Right? And then that kind of like derailed everything only and only because

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_06]: when he's at the concert and he sees her, he sees the girl that he had a vision of.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I think that that just completely like washed everything away. Like he's like,

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_06]: oh, I have to figure this out now. So that's why we see him come up with the blankets.

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_10]: You know, we're talking about another emotional beat too. We talked a lot about the

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_10]: Enlightenment and there's two other ones we haven't discussed. One is Jacks, which we'll get to

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_10]: when we get to the end of everything. But Kristen, you touched on Juliette and Sawyer.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my gosh, that was the best one. I have three hearts next to it.

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. Three instead of one heart. But I think one of the parts too that got me other than the fact

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_10]: that they remembering each other and Juliette has her eyes closed because she doesn't want to believe

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_10]: that this is all really happening. It's the it's the last thing that Sawyer says to Juliette

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_10]: before it goes to the next scene. And that's as he's holding you, he says, I gotcha.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_11]: I know. Did I gotcha maybe? And that's because he wasn't able to before, right?

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_11]: She fell out from his hands. And now he's like, I got you now.

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_10]: And I think it was really smart with all the different Enlightenment that we get out of this

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_10]: episode to save, with the exception of Jacks, which was saved for last, to save Juliette and

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_10]: Sawyer because up until this point, we didn't even know Juliette was a part of all this

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_10]: because we didn't see her until the finale. So when we were last week, we're like,

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_10]: who's the mom? Who's the mom? We can't remember.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_10]: I totally forgot the Juliette was David's mother. And then remember that. And then so to save that one

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_10]: for second to last or the last of all the other groups because we get Juliette in the beginning

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_10]: in part one, and then as audience members were like, oh, does this mean we're going to get

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_10]: Juliette and Sawyer back together? And then to build up all of that and save it for one of

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_11]: the last ones is like, okay, first smart. You see Sawyer, I think coming out of the elevator and

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Juliette goes in and they just he kind of looks back and then keeps walking and you're like,

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_06]: go back. Yeah. You're like, no, no, no, you did it wrong. Oh, yes, definitely that. Well,

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Sawyer and Juliette are my favorite couple. But their story to me is the longest on island

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_06]: story. You know, I mean, they were there for three years with each other.

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, we don't get to see it, but they were on that island with the Dharma Initiative for

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_06]: three years, they got all that time together. So, you know, they knew each other in ways that I

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_06]: think a lot of the others didn't know each other. They got that time, which, you know,

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_06]: which goes into one of my nitpicks about the fact that, you know, another character that did

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_06]: get that time and didn't get closure, didn't get a wake up moment. And I think deserved one is Miles.

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't understand why that happened because I feel like they could have done a really good job

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_06]: with him either like talking to Sawyer after Sawyer has woken up or if he bumped into Daniel

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Widmore, you know, just anything like that. Also, why are we using the name

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_10]: Widmore when Charles Widmore is nowhere in sight? I don't know. I mean, well, I think it's done mainly

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_10]: because in reality, that's who that's who Daniel was. He was a Widmore by lineage. So maybe that's

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_10]: just something they did for the sake of storytelling. I don't I don't know why they're using that.

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_10]: But you're right. We don't we never see Charles in this area. We see Eloise,

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_10]: which I want to say that was actually a great moment that I enjoyed as well is because

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_10]: Kristen, you kind of mentioned it earlier on episodes ago is that Eloise is aware of

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_10]: everything that is happening. What this place is, she's very aware of it. And that becomes even

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_10]: more apparent in this finale. Because with Desmond waking everybody up, she has a fear.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_10]: This is her chance to actually spend time with the son she never did.

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_10]: That she killed. And and she's afraid that Desmond is going to take it away from her.

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, you know, she took it away from herself when she murdered her son.

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_10]: True. But I don't feel very bad for Eloise.

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_10]: But I mean, you do see like this is her second chance at this. And she's she has that fear

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_10]: that Desmond is going to take it away. And she says that to Desmond, like, are you going to

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_06]: take my son? And he says Daniel didn't even have his wake up moment. Not with us.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_11]: No. Yeah, he had a moment with Charlotte, but Charlotte. Yeah, didn't fully wake up. Right.

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. But I it does seem like everyone who wakes up knows what's going on that they're there to move

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_11]: on, you know, they all meet at the church like they they know they don't have to figure it out

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_06]: once they look at Sawyer. He's like, we'll see you there. And yeah, where? Another moment for

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_11]: me was on the island actually, when Jack told Kate that basically she needed to go get Claire

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_11]: on the plane and he was going to go back and take care of the cork cave light thingy. And

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_11]: she says, tell me I'm going to see you again. And he's, nope, can't say that. And then they kiss

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_11]: and tell each other they love each other. That was a great moment. There's kissing and there

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_06]: was Kate eating his face because I've never seen any woman's mouth open that wide before.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_06]: It was beautiful. It was a beautiful moment and you really felt the love between them,

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, and it made it very emotional. Halfway into that kiss, I was like,

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_06]: it that's that's an intense kiss. Get a room guys.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_10]: You know, there are a number of notable couples throughout the series and we do get a lot of them

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_10]: coming back by the end of this. You know, we had obviously as you mentioned, there's Jack and Kate,

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_10]: there's Charlie and Claire, we have Juliet and Sawyer and Jin and Son. And Kristen, I think the

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_10]: only time we ever differ in this is that I, although I can definitely we see each other's

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_10]: arguments is that watching this finale and seeing that enlightenment moment with Jin and Son made

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_10]: me realize I do really strongly think as tragic as their story is, they're one of the greatest

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_06]: couples in television history. Well, they're one of the greatest love stories told in television

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_06]: for 100%. 100%. I love how you start off. This is like, again, my kids are watching the pilot

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_06]: and they're just like, this guy, this guy, like, is he gonna die? Let the black smoke monster take

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_06]: him. He's terrible. I'm just like, that's Jin and Son. They're amazing. But the same argument.

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_11]: Anytime you see an asshole, my suggestion is think this could be a Jin. You never know.

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. But the same argument. The same argument could be absolutely be made for Juliet and

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Sawyer too. Yes, well, theirs is just as tragic, I think. Yeah, I think that they're

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_06]: really on par with one another, definitely. I would have loved to have seen more Jin and Son,

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_06]: but whatever. That's just me. Yeah, they didn't get much. What they did get was pretty great,

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_06]: but it wasn't much. Yeah, totally. Any other big emotional moments? I've got a few more.

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_11]: I have two more. I got a couple more. Okay. Kristen, why don't you give this one? Kristen, yeah.

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_06]: So I have a couple. One of them is John and Jack. They're having this very easy conversation

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_06]: before Locke goes under when he goes into surgery. And this conversation that they had were of two

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_06]: men that really respected the hell out of one another. And I don't think that we got that a

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_06]: lot on the island. And to just watch them genuinely care about each other's lives,

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Jack wanted to fix Locke. Locke was genuine when he's like, where's your father? Did you

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_06]: find your father? I just really appreciated watching the easiness between the two of them because

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_06]: while that's happening, you know what's happening on the island where they're just like,

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to kill you. Not if I kill you first fucker. I mean, it's really bad.

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_11]: Except it's not Locke which bothers the hell out of me. Right. But yes.

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_06]: And then Jack does say that, you know, because Locke's like just like old times,

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_06]: eh Jack? And Locke's like, or Jack's like, I'm sorry, but you disrespect the man that

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_06]: takes his face. What did he say? Because I loved it. You disrespect his name by taking his face.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought that was one of the best lines because you finally hear Jack say everything

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_06]: that he should have said to Locke from the very beginning in that moment. And he's saying it to

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_11]: Locke's face. Go ahead. Well, he said, turns out he was right about everything and I wish I could

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_11]: have told him that when he was alive. And I'm thinking yeah, in this show, if it's faith versus

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_11]: science, this show is more about faith magic and anything like that. Super natural.

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_06]: And then at the end when the last thing that Locke says to Jack in the hospital is,

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I hope you find somebody to do for you what you've done for me.

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I have that written down too. That definitely got me very choked up because

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_06]: you just know how genuine Locke is and it's been a really long time since we've seen good

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Locke and I saw my feelings were there. And I like to when Jack says,

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_11]: I need to go pick up my son or something and he goes, you don't have a son, Jack. And I'm like,

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_11]: that's just the kind of rude yet undeniable truth that would come out of Locke's mouth.

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to get through to him by saying your son is fake.

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_10]: I also like to in that conversation as they're prepping for it.

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_10]: You know, and they're like, well, we hope everything goes well. And Jack says,

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm paraphrasing it because I don't remember the exact line that Jack says,

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_10]: like what could be worse? I could kill you.

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, well, that's pretty much what I was about to do on the island.

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I love that moment because like you said, Jack, well, Jack always wanted to fix people

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_11]: and Locke really needed fixing throughout the show and Jack got to fix Locke.

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_06]: They kind of got what they wanted out of each other in the hospital, which was really nice.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_06]: How about you guys? Because I think...

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_11]: Can I do one?

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, please.

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_11]: Do one more. So Jack saying he's going to go back down and recork the island.

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_11]: This is one of my...

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_11]: And Hurley's like, how are you going to make it out of there? And Jack just goes,

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_11]: whoo. And then he tells him you're going to have to be the one to take over basically.

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_11]: And Hurley's like, I can't and he's crying. It's supposed to be you.

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_11]: And Jack says it was only supposed to be me so I can do this.

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_11]: But if someone has to take care of the island, if someone has to protect it,

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_11]: then it should be you, Hurley. I believe in you. And man, that was so great.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, okay, fine.

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_06]: That's just what Hurley said to Jack at the beginning of the episode.

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I believe in you.

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_06]: He said, I believe in you, Jack.

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I have that too. He says, Hurley says to Jack, I believe in you dude.

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_10]: And then I have that start as one of my emotional moments too because I did start to get choked up

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_10]: in that with Hurley refusing to let Jack die and wanting to save Jack and let him be.

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_10]: And it wasn't until I was choked up and it wasn't until Jack said, Hurley, I believe in you.

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_10]: I was like, oh, nope, I'm done.

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm done.

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_11]: Because it means more, I think, you know, Hurley says I believe in you, Jack,

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_11]: but that's common. You know, Jack's always the one that people have to kind of follow.

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_11]: So it's like, well, thanks, thanks man. But when Jack says it to Hurley, then it's kind of feels

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_11]: like a big deal.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, especially for Hurley because he has gone through so many, you know, seasons of doubt.

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, poor Hurley is just like he's, he's the guy that, you know, Sawyer had to get

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_06]: off the helicopter because of Hurley. He's, he broke the back porch. He, he can't go down the ladder

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_06]: to get onto the boat. He's like, no, fuck no, I'm not going down there. You know, so I mean,

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_06]: for him to be believed in, I think, especially by somebody of Jack's caliber in, especially

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_06]: in Hurley's head, that just had to be the best thing that he's ever heard.

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_11]: And when, when me and Karen interviewed Steven, Yon who plays Glenn on The Walking Dead

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_11]: back in season one, and we said that he reminded us of Hurley on loss that Glenn and

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_11]: Steven Yon hadn't seen lost, but he's like, he didn't seem to like that. He was like,

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, isn't he kind of like the comic relief, which Glenn kind of was early on in loss?

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, in Walking Dead. And, but what I, Karen and I were like, yeah, but,

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_11]: and I wanted to say he, he's the one who they picked to protect the island.

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_11]: But I didn't want to spoil it, you know. So I was like, he comes very important to the show.

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_06]: They're both the heart of the show. I mean, when, you know, when Glenn dies that,

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_06]: that, that killed my heart. And while we're on Hurley, I'll also mention

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_11]: Jorge Garcia just has such a lovable face and Weezer in 2010, the year lost ended,

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_11]: put out an album called Hurley with Jorge Garcia's face on it for,

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_11]: we don't know what reason there's nothing on it that has anything to do with that.

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_11]: But his face is so great to look at, I guess.

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Did you, did you also love the fact that Ben saves Hurley?

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_11]: With the bottle.

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_11]: No, in the tree, right? The tree.

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_11]: The tree almost fell on him.

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_06]: It goes, Hugo, watch out. He pushes him out of the way.

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_06]: And I thought that that really showed how much Ben has grown,

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_06]: but also how much everybody just loves Hurley.

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Nobody wants to see anything bad happen to him.

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, because I have that in my notes too is not only does Ben save Hurley,

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_10]: you know, everybody actually bands together to save Ben,

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_10]: you know, which I loved about that, which is actually going to take me into

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_10]: the last emotional note that I have, which is one of the things that I've been waiting to

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_10]: talk about getting to this finale because of how much I love this character.

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_10]: And that's Ben's ending.

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_10]: I love Ben's ending so much starting with, you know, Hurley saying that

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_10]: I can't do this by myself and asking Ben if he'll be, if he'll help him.

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_10]: And the look on Ben's face that like this is something he is always,

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_10]: this is just what he's wanted this entire time.

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. He wanted Jacob to ask him that.

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_10]: He wanted to be acknowledged.

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_10]: He wanted to assist.

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_10]: And like even being.

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_10]: He's special.

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_10]: Even being the person to give Jack the bottle so that Hurley could drink from it was,

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_10]: that was him accepting his role of that he's not meant to be the guardian,

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_10]: but as long as he is there to help, that's all he's ever wanted.

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, and that's Ben also.

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Old Ben would have said, I'm going to drink the water.

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I'll drink it.

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, exactly.

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_10]: Like this shows the, this is the completion of the redemption of Ben Linus.

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_10]: And, you know, going even forward to outside of, or, you know, off the island or even telling,

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_10]: you know, Hurley like though, like, you know, it's your response.

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_10]: You can get help to get Desmond home and well, how I can't leave the island.

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_10]: Those are Jacob's rules.

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_10]: You can do things differently.

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_10]: Like him giving Hurley that encouragement that he could change.

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_10]: He can do things differently than Jacob ever did.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_11]: And then when you have that role, you can just make up any rule

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_11]: and everyone has to follow it for some reason.

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_06]: So that's a code being apparent.

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, like Charles and Ben couldn't kill each other,

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_11]: even though they really wanted to.

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_10]: There's a lot of this, we talked a little bit about this before,

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_10]: but there's a lot of this that makes me think this is just,

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_10]: these are hearsay rules.

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_10]: None of it actually matters.

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_10]: This is just things that they've been kind of ingrained to live by.

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_10]: Like even when Jacob gives Jack the power or the life, whatever it is,

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_10]: he does all these incantations and everything.

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_10]: But when Jack does it to Hurley, he just drinks the water.

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_11]: But couldn't wouldn't the man in black have killed Jacob if he could directly?

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_10]: Well, we talked about that too.

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_10]: We think that we think the man in black could have always killed Jacob.

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_10]: He was just under the impression he never could because of mother.

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_10]: Mother was the one that told them when they were young,

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_10]: I've made it so that you can't hurt each other.

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_10]: And he just believed it.

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_10]: And he just believed it.

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_10]: He always could have killed Jacob.

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_10]: He just was always ingrained in him that he never could.

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_11]: So if you were his friend, then he'd be like, oh, shit, I'm going to try it.

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I have movies that I still haven't seen from childhood because my parents told me

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_06]: I wasn't old enough.

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_06]: And to this day, I don't think that I'm allowed to watch the movie.

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_06]: That's why I haven't seen a lot of 80s movies.

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Check out Bambi.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_11]: It's good.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_10]: Well, I mean, again, it's the whole like you,

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_10]: your parents telling you, oh, no, you just ate.

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_10]: You can't go swimming now.

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_10]: That's BS.

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_10]: But we're so it's ingrained in us as kids that we believe it.

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_10]: Even going into adulthood when it's always been like, no, that's

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_10]: like, that's total rumor that doesn't matter at all.

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_11]: I do things just because my mom told me not to.

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I was a good girl.

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_10]: But going back to Ben and that emotional moment, it leads me to the final

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_10]: moments with him outside of the church, with Locke pulling up and Locke

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_10]: genuinely or Ben apologizing to Locke and being sincere about his apology

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_10]: and actually getting forgiveness from John for what he did and saying like that.

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_11]: And saying the hard thing, like I won.

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_11]: It was my pride and I wanted to be special, but I wasn't.

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_11]: I was selfish.

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_10]: I wanted what you had and even Locke being like, well, what was it?

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_10]: Things like that.

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_10]: You were special and I wasn't, you know, and admitting that and then telling

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_10]: John, you know, or telling John, I think I'll stay here for a while.

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_06]: We said he had some stuff to work out.

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_06]: I and that's brave because I got to tell you, I wouldn't want to be there

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_06]: when Daniel and Alex's memories come back.

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_11]: But it made sense.

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, Ben wouldn't have fit.

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_11]: It would have just not felt right to have been in there as much as he's

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_11]: reformed, like you said, their whole experience with him until the very

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_11]: end was a total adversary.

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_10]: And then the final moment with him outside and Hurley stepping out of the

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_10]: church, you know, asking him if he'll come in, you know.

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_10]: You were inside.

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_10]: Come on.

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_10]: And he'll and he says, I think I'll stay here, you know.

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_10]: I think I'll stay outside.

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_10]: And I love the fact that even in that final moment, as they're all ready to

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_10]: move on and Ben is out there, at least this is the way I saw it, Hurley's

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_10]: final words to Ben are, see ya.

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_10]: Meaning you'll be here.

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_10]: You'll get there eventually.

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_06]: When you're ready.

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_10]: When you're ready.

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_06]: And Hurley having that thing.

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_06]: He probably wants to wait for Alex.

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_06]: I could see that.

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I think that it's...

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_11]: There's no time.

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_11]: So if Alex...

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh wait, well, Alex is there.

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_11]: I forgot.

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_11]: Alex is there.

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_06]: No, the only person that disappeared was David.

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Poor David just...

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, he doesn't exist.

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Jack, you really don't have a son like stop looking for him at the concert.

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_11]: I hope he disappeared.

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_11]: Otherwise, he's going to be like, dad.

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Going to go home being like, who sucks?

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_10]: He's just an NPC in the story.

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_05]: He's good at making breakfast.

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there you go.

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_10]: He's just an NPC in the story.

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I do have a question.

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe you guys can help me out with this.

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_06]: I really...

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_06]: I had a...

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_06]: It was my biggest laugh of the entire episode was Richard coming up to Claire and going,

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Claire, we could go home.

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Don't you want to go home?

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, where are you going?

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_06]: You're 300 years old.

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Everybody you know is gone.

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Like how you should stay on the island.

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_11]: I want to hear this Britney Spears I've been hearing about something.

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know.

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm going to try Twinkie.

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I'd really like to see the spin-off of Richard leaving the island.

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, what did that look like?

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_11]: He did, huh?

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_11]: He got...

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_11]: Wait, no.

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, he was on the plane.

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_11]: He made it off.

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_11]: He was on the plane.

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Got a great hair.

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_06]: He wanted to live.

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_06]: That's great.

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_06]: What are you going to do, man?

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Because...

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_11]: Being actor.

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, he's never seen a cell phone.

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_06]: He's never seen like...

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_06]: He probably hasn't seen like all of these weird crazy things.

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Like a big city would probably freak him out.

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_06]: No, that's not true because he's been off the island.

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_06]: He's been off the island.

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's true.

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_11]: So he's...

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_11]: Thank you.

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Never mind.

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_06]: It's not as cool.

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Got an education.

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_11]: Never mind.

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_11]: It's not as cool.

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Probably went to a Britney Spears concert.

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_06]: He's like, I'm Britney bitch.

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_11]: That guy, by the way, Nester Carbonell is the nicest guy of the cast members we've met.

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Incredibly nice.

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_11]: So, such a gentleman.

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_06]: He was my favorite part of Lost while I was watching Lost during First Watch.

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I remember just whenever Richard showed up, I was like, Richard's here, everybody.

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Richard's here.

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_11]: His episode was so good too.

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_11]: A few weeks.

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Yes, Abaterno.

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Abaterno.

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_06]: One of the best episodes of the entire last season for sure.

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_10]: When you met him, did you get the chance to ask him why his mascara game was on point?

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_11]: Everybody asks him that.

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_10]: Poor guy.

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_11]: He's got good natured about it.

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_11]: Bless him.

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_10]: That's good.

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_10]: At least he takes it in stride.

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_10]: Any other emotional moments that anybody wants to...

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_10]: I've covered all of mine.

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_10]: Okay, go.

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_11]: Do you have another one, Christian?

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_10]: No.

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay.

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_11]: Before we get into the church which we're saving is another outside of the church

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_11]: moment where Kate and Jack roll up.

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_11]: Jack still doesn't know what the hell's going on.

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_11]: Kate says, you can go around back.

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_11]: I'll be inside waiting for you once you're ready.

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_11]: He says, ready for what?

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_11]: And she says to leave.

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_11]: I still, of course, I don't know watching this the first time if anybody kind of knew

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_11]: what was going on.

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_11]: You can't really figure it out until you get to the end.

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_11]: So I remember that moment being like, this is a really emotional moment

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_11]: between the two of them, but what the fuck is going on?

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Right.

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Exactly.

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_11]: What is this?

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_11]: What is about to happen?

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, it's a great moment.

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_11]: Excuse me, I have questions.

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, it's great.

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_11]: It's like, I cannot...

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_11]: If the house caught on fire, I'd just be like,

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_11]: can somebody put that out so I could finish watching this?

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, right.

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_06]: No, totally.

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_06]: That's 100%.

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Bodie and Nico are like punching each other on content.

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_11]: Shut up!

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_11]: Just quiet down.

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_11]: Just hit quietly.

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_11]: You guys just give me 10 more minutes.

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_06]: My fans are in the cabinet.

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so if do you have another one Ben, the emotional moments?

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_10]: No, I think I've covered pretty much all of mine.

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, Lapidas being rescued, but that didn't make me cry.

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_11]: It was good that I love that he is the one that flew them out and stuff.

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_10]: Awesome.

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_11]: I love that guy.

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_10]: It's Lapidas being Lapidas.

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, it didn't make me cry, but it was a feel good moment to see Rose Bernard and Vincent

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_10]: living on the island.

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_11]: In the island style.

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, and living peacefully.

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_10]: And I mean, even Rose telling Desmond, you're good for now, but I'm going to ask you to leave.

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but then Loc shows up and she's like, you're not going anywhere with him.

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_10]: Well, I mean, even in that moment with Desmond and Rose,

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_10]: Rose says, like you don't have to go anywhere with him.

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_10]: I think that just shows even more so how much, because at that point,

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_10]: Notlock had already threatened to kill them.

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_10]: And then she still steps up and tells Desmond, you don't have to go anywhere.

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_10]: Like that just shows how much Rose and Bernard have already made peace with everything.

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_10]: There's a chance that John might kill them or Notlock might kill them.

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_10]: They were okay with it.

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_10]: If that was their time to go, that was their time to go.

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I agree with that.

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I think that coming back from Sydney, they knew that they were on,

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_06]: they're playing with house money at that point.

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_06]: So the fact that they even found a place to live out their days where Rose didn't have

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_06]: to be sick and they could be happy.

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, anything other than that is just icing on the cake.

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_10]: And I love that Rose, she did not know what time period they were in at that point

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_10]: and they didn't care.

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, she did not care.

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_10]: They did not care where they were.

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_10]: The sky went bright and now who goes when?

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_10]: It doesn't really matter.

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, right, right.

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_10]: They didn't care where they were.

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_10]: But that's it for all of my peak emotional moments of the episode.

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_06]: So that brings us to character speed.

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_06]: You want to talk about characters?

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh yeah.

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_11]: I had a couple of instances of, let me find it here,

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_11]: characters speaking for the fans.

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_11]: And one, I'm cheating a little, but it was a couple episodes ago where the one with

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_11]: the mother and young Jacob and man in black.

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_11]: And Jacob's mother, Jacob's real mother asks her where she came from and she says

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_11]: each question will only lead to more questions.

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_11]: And I think that's Lindelof and Kiece saying, don't worry about the mysteries

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_11]: because it's just going to lead nowhere.

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_11]: Don't ask.

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_10]: Remember those polar bears?

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_10]: We're almost to the end.

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_10]: Don't ask more questions.

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, just don't worry about that.

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_11]: But back to this episode, Locke is talking to Jack.

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh no, not Locke.

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_11]: Not Locke is talking to Jack upon learning that he's the new protector of the island.

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_11]: And he goes, Jacob being who he is, I expected to be a little more surprised.

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_11]: You're sort of the obvious choice, don't you think?

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, absolutely.

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_11]: I thought that was great.

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_11]: But the big one is I think they knew that people might be confused because

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_11]: it's complicated with this flash sideways that you thought was sort of the reality that happened

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_11]: when they didn't crash.

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_11]: But it turned out, nope, that was a fake out.

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_11]: It's actually like a kind of a purgatory.

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_11]: So they tried to really tell the listeners a few different ways what was happening.

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_11]: Desmond said, the man in black or whatever, destroying the island, you destroying him,

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_11]: it doesn't matter.

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_11]: He's talking to Jack.

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_11]: You know you're going to lower me into that light and I'm going to go somewhere else,

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_11]: a place where we can be with the ones we love and not have to ever think about this damn island

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_11]: again.

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, maybe I can find a way to bring you there too.

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_11]: And Jack says, Desmond, I tried that once.

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_11]: There's no shortcuts, no do-overs.

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_11]: What happened?

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Happened.

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_11]: Trust me, I know all of this matters.

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_11]: I think that's the writers trying to tell us that everything on the island really

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_11]: happened and mattered.

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_11]: But to this day, I think maybe the majority of lost fans and definitely a lot of them

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_11]: think that everyone was dead on the island and it was purgatory.

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Not true.

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_11]: They think that though.

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_11]: I hear people say that all the time.

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_11]: All the time.

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, and the flash sideways, it's another reason that's confusing is because

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_11]: it kind of is a supernatural phenomenon that is kind of separate from the island.

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_11]: It's purgatory.

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_11]: It doesn't have to do with the supernatural stuff that was going on on the island.

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't think, you know?

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_11]: It's its own supernatural thing.

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_11]: But just to drive it home, and then so that got people mixed up too.

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_11]: But just to drive it home at the end, Jack says to his father after the hug,

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_11]: well, I'm kind of cheating here.

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_11]: No, it's fine.

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_11]: Go for it.

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, he goes, are you real?

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_11]: And Jack said, or he goes, father says, yeah, I'm real.

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_11]: You're real.

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_11]: Everything that's ever happened to you is real.

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_11]: All those people in the church, they're real too.

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_11]: And it's like, you hear me everyone?

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_11]: That all happened.

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_11]: They're real.

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_11]: But then some executive or somebody in the design department

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_11]: and lost, not Carlton Kuzer, Damon Lindelof, decided to show the wreckage of the plane

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_11]: as the credits were rolling.

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_11]: And so people thought that meant they actually died in the crash.

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_11]: And no, Jack's father clearly said it was all real.

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_11]: And he even said they all died at different times, some before Jack and some later.

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_11]: So if you were paying attention at all, you should have known.

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_11]: But it just shows that a lot of people, and I know I've been in this place too,

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_11]: aren't really watching.

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_11]: They're just kind of halfway paying attention.

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_11]: You can't watch Lost like that.

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_06]: But that's always been...

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_11]: Go ahead.

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's kind of the thing about Lost though is that,

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_06]: and correct me if you have a different show, because this was that show for me.

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_06]: This was the first time I realized you should pay attention to television.

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_10]: This was the first water cooler television show that I remember.

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, so much.

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_11]: I think I said this in our first episode.

[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_11]: Because you can't categorize everything and then just kind of put it in the background

[01:17:08] [SPEAKER_11]: of your mind because there's so many things that...

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_11]: This is where the mystery really served the show.

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_11]: You don't know why this polar bear is there, why this smoke thing is.

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_11]: So you're fully...

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_11]: Like if you're watching at all and not doing anything else at the same time,

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_11]: you're switched on.

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_11]: Like you can't help, in my opinion, I couldn't help but pay attention.

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_11]: I was just like, what is that?

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_11]: What is that?

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_10]: I know I've brought this up before, but this was the first show that I can remember.

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_10]: Like I used to work at a radio station.

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_10]: This show was so engaging and was so...

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_10]: Because of this whole where you had to pay attention.

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_10]: The radio station...

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_10]: The morning show that I worked for every...

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_10]: When Lost aired on Wednesday, every Thursday morning during their morning show,

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_10]: they spent 20 minutes talking about last night's Lost.

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, there were bulletin boards.

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_11]: Lost really spawned the whole TV podcast thing and I don't know if it would have happened

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_11]: or at least not the way it did.

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_11]: Lost is like we need to talk about this show.

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_11]: So there was podcasts and that's what Karen and I fell in love with,

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_11]: the J and Jack podcast and modeled Walking Dead Cast after that.

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_11]: So if not for the show Lost,

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_11]: podcast probably wouldn't exist and Walking Dead Cast wouldn't exist.

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_11]: Because it was just like we need to...

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, we wouldn't know each other if not for this show.

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_11]: That's right.

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't think...

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_11]: That's the Flash sideways.

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_11]: The Sucky one.

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_10]: But you're right.

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_10]: Like whenever people would say like,

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_10]: oh look I hated the ending because they were dead the whole time.

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm like no, they really weren't.

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_10]: Like you did not pay attention.

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_10]: Like it said a couple of times in the finale, everything that happened was real.

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_11]: You just didn't hear it.

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:18:49] [SPEAKER_11]: They all died at different times.

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_06]: But that's just humanity, right?

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean we see a headline or we hear one person tell us something and that's it.

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_06]: That's the story.

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Everybody kind of fills in the blanks where it fits their own narrative and it fits their own mind.

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Because whenever somebody says oh yeah, that show, yeah,

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_06]: they were all dead the whole time and you're like, well where'd you hear that?

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Did you see it?

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_06]: No.

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Great.

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_11]: I heard a rumor and I don't know if it's true,

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_11]: but the guy he's saying it seemed pretty convinced.

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_11]: He heard it from someone in the know that that was the original idea when they first started the show,

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_11]: but since everyone guessed it like in season one, they changed it.

[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know if that's true.

[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_05]: You've heard that same rumor.

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I've heard it.

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if it's true.

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_10]: But I mean as far as to the whole art direction of you know the end credits and playing the

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_10]: just showing the scenery and everything, I thought that was just a great way to kind of be

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_10]: in a serene moment.

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Like YouTube gives you your moment of zen.

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, like we just lost Jack.

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_10]: We didn't need to go into like this Michael Giacchino hard like closing credit.

[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_10]: Like this was just the nice serene zen way.

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_10]: Like everything is now at peace.

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_10]: This is how we're wrapping everything up and I was fine.

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_11]: I would have preferred without the wreckage because that just reminds me of that opening

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_11]: chaotic scene of everybody bleeding and dying.

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, that's what's in my head even though it was quiet.

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_11]: So I hear what you're saying but maybe if they just shown the beach or something.

[01:20:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, maybe if they showed the perspective like where we were looking at their camp,

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_06]: the camp that they did in the beach instead with like the fruit and everything like that.

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, maybe.

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_10]: I get it.

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_10]: Or Hurley's face.

[01:20:35] [SPEAKER_10]: Then it just turns into a Weezer album exactly.

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, they just started playing Weezer.

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_06]: That was perfect.

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_06]: So I'm just going to talk about something real quick because it's one of,

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I have, I don't have a lot of notes left but one of them that I do have is and I read later

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_06]: that this was actually supposed to happen.

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_06]: But for some reason it didn't happen that when Miles and Richard are rowing the boat,

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, and they're trying to get to Hydra Island,

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_06]: they go over the submarine wreckage and Miles has no reaction.

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_06]: And last episode, he just walked over Alex's grave and he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_06]: He's like all discombobulated.

[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_06]: And apparently originally this whole scene was supposed to be much more dramatic

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_06]: and it was supposed to be much more emotional because the original plan for that scene

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_06]: was for him to row over everybody's death and to see all the snippets of the last moments

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_06]: of Jinn and Son and Saeed and everybody else so that we could have gotten like

[01:21:49] [SPEAKER_06]: the opposite of like the flashes of awakening that everybody was having in the flash sideways

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_06]: and instead have him like show, you know, what was going on underneath.

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_06]: And anyways, I just hate that that opportunity wasn't utilized because I just love Miles as a

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_06]: character. Just I thought he was a great character.

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought he deserved more of an ending and more of an impact at the end of the series.

[01:22:18] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, especially with the especially the fact too and maybe it's very similar to,

[01:22:24] [SPEAKER_10]: you know, Daniel and Eloise getting a chance to actually be

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_10]: a family. Maybe they were doing the same thing with Miles and Pierre because

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_10]: they never really got the opportunity to be a family either.

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_10]: So maybe that's why they never gave Miles that awakening moment.

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_10]: They were giving him time to actually be a family.

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_11]: I suspect too that just because they didn't really give that moment to characters who

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_11]: came later in the show because they it was just a suspicion, but they only had so much

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_11]: time and they just decided to focus on the ones that had been around longer, you know.

[01:22:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. So the only person that wasn't in season one and two that was in the church was Juliet

[01:23:04] [SPEAKER_06]: and she obviously belongs there anyways. But every other character was from the first or

[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_06]: second season. The front from the plane. She took Michael's spot.

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_11]: That sucks. That's a nitpick of mine that Michael wasn't there.

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_11]: I think it's because of Walt.

[01:23:24] [SPEAKER_10]: Well, I mean, and that's the thing. Like I can understand Michael not being there because we

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_10]: do get a kind of a wrap up of Michael's story telling him, you know, where he's telling her like

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_10]: he is stuck on the island. He cannot move on. So that kind of gives them the out for not having

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_10]: Michael. Oh, that's true. Yeah. But what why not Walt?

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Because he was an adult by then.

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. They couldn't because if everybody returns to the age they were at the most

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_11]: important time in their life, that's true. You can do that with him.

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_10]: So it was just the age of the actor is probably the reason why they couldn't bring Walt to that.

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_11]: But I think if from that article that came out recently, maybe Harold Perrono just wasn't

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_11]: on good terms with them. I don't know. I don't know.

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_09]: He still came back for an episode in that six season.

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_11]: But oh yeah. Good point. But I'm glad just while we're on the subject of him that he's

[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_11]: gotten the show from where he's front and center and he's the main guy and that show has

[01:24:18] [SPEAKER_11]: Jack Bender directing a bunch of episodes and executive producing and Jeff Pinkner, one of the

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_11]: writers and another Javier Grillo, Mark Swatch. So there's a lost genetics in that show for sure.

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_06]: How scary is that show?

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_11]: It's pretty scary but it's good. And I think you might, I think you'd love it as long as

[01:24:37] [SPEAKER_11]: you don't get too scared. That's the problem. Yeah.

[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, then Kristen's out. Yeah.

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_11]: It looks really good. It's very lost like it is.

[01:24:45] [SPEAKER_06]: And I love Harold Perneal. He's one of the reasons, he's one of the two reasons why

[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_06]: even started watching Lost. It was him and Dominic Monican. Both of them is the reason

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_06]: why I started watching it because I love those two actors so much.

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_06]: He was no, he was in Lord of the Rings.

[01:25:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Harold Perrono was in Matrix.

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Perrono was in The Matrix.

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, oh, oh yeah.

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_11]: One of the sequels or something.

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes. Well, he was Mercutio in Romeo and Juliet with Leonardo DiCaprio. That's the first time I

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_06]: ever saw him and I thought he was brilliant. And so when I saw that he was going to be on a TV

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_11]: show, I'm like, yeah, every week Mercutio. It's a bummer because I know you would love that

[01:25:31] [SPEAKER_11]: show just because it's very much the characters and the mysteries like lost

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_11]: and some are assholes that you can be mad at and some are mysterious and some are just heroes,

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_11]: you know. But yeah, it's pretty freaky.

[01:25:47] [SPEAKER_10]: Well, that right there is just another prime example as to how Lost kind of changed the

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_10]: landscape of everything kind of going back to a previous conversation. Because now whenever

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_10]: a show like that happens, what's the show we always compare it to?

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_10]: Lost.

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_10]: We compare it to Lost.

[01:26:01] [SPEAKER_10]: It's always the show that is the benchmark.

[01:26:02] [SPEAKER_11]: And I always thought Walking Dead was like the spiritual successor to Lost.

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_11]: Just the new water cooler show that feels similar in a lot of ways.

[01:26:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I can see that as well.

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And not a lot of people were able to replicate the same feeling that I think Lost did.

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, that show, the 4400, they really tried.

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_06]: And then there was another show called The Event that I thought was really good,

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_06]: but it got canceled.

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_06]: And then most recently was Manifest, but they decided to go

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_06]: religious, super religious at the wrong time in history.

[01:26:39] [SPEAKER_06]: So anyways, what else does who wants to go next?

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_10]: Well, do we have any other main points, Jason, that you kind of want to touch on?

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_10]: Because a lot of my stuff is just little notes.

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_10]: Let me see.

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_10]: Before we get to obviously the last 10 minutes and everything.

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_11]: No, I just have a couple notes. That's it.

[01:27:00] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay.

[01:27:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Do you think that what would have happened if everybody just left and let the island sink?

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, now that the black smoke was gone.

[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_11]: I think everyone would die.

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_06]: You think so?

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_11]: Maybe because they have to protect the heart of the island.

[01:27:20] [SPEAKER_11]: Maybe it could be okay underwater.

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_06]: It'd certainly be protected, but maybe they just needed a protector.

[01:27:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[01:27:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I just, I had that thought like what if Hurley had gone down the ladder?

[01:27:31] [SPEAKER_06]: What if Jack took Kate up on actually leaving and letting the island sink?

[01:27:36] [SPEAKER_06]: There's a couple moments where the story could have really been different.

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, my sense was if that light is not protected, everyone on the planet dies.

[01:27:48] [SPEAKER_11]: That's what I got out of it.

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_11]: That's what I got out of it too.

[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_11]: But I don't know for sure if the island sinks would.

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_11]: But then the question is, well, what does the man in black think about that?

[01:28:01] [SPEAKER_11]: Because he wants to destroy the island and yet he seems to think he's going to be living

[01:28:05] [SPEAKER_11]: in a world with other people.

[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_11]: So does he just not know that's going to happen or am I wrong that that's going to happen?

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_10]: I think regardless as to whether or not the island would have sank or not,

[01:28:17] [SPEAKER_10]: I don't think Jack would have gone anywhere.

[01:28:19] [SPEAKER_10]: Jack knew his time was up.

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_11]: Can't let go.

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_10]: Well, I mean, not only that, but he had that stab wound.

[01:28:25] [SPEAKER_10]: Jack knew he wasn't surviving.

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_10]: He knew his life was over at that point.

[01:28:28] [SPEAKER_10]: And he even says that to Hurley before he goes back down and he's like, I'm already dead

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_10]: because he knows like Dave.

[01:28:35] [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, it's a battle which by the way, I love the cinematography of the final showdown

[01:28:41] [SPEAKER_10]: between Jack and not luck.

[01:28:43] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:28:43] [SPEAKER_10]: It's very like Kurosawa-esque, which I was really dense.

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:28:49] [SPEAKER_10]: But and then Jack comes in with that Superman punch before it was like black.

[01:28:53] [SPEAKER_10]: But I mean, in that battle, they kill each other.

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_10]: Yes.

[01:29:00] [SPEAKER_10]: Like neither one of them survives that battle technically.

[01:29:04] [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, Kate does come in with that badass.

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_10]: I saved you a bullet, which I love that call back to just the angle of it on that rock

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_11]: was so precarious the way they filmed it.

[01:29:16] [SPEAKER_11]: It was really, really dense.

[01:29:18] [SPEAKER_10]: But I love that moment too, because when Kate is firing at not lock earlier on,

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_10]: he's like, you know, you might want to save your bullets.

[01:29:24] [SPEAKER_10]: And then at the end, she's like, I saved you a bullet and shoots him, which was great.

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_10]: You know, which I love that.

[01:29:32] [SPEAKER_10]: And then we kind of get the call back.

[01:29:33] [SPEAKER_10]: We've been seeing it for a number of episodes, but there was never an explanation

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_10]: to Jack's neck constantly bleeding.

[01:29:40] [SPEAKER_10]: And now we know it's because it's one of the last wounds he takes before he dies

[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_10]: is not locks knife to his neck.

[01:29:48] [SPEAKER_11]: Who's your biggest crush on the show?

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_05]: My he says without closing without pausing.

[01:29:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Sawyer.

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_11]: Sawyer. Yeah, 100% Sawyer.

[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_11]: My insult. So Sawyer. No, it's Kate.

[01:30:08] [SPEAKER_10]: Kate. I can see.

[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I can see any answer being right because they're all it's such an attrack.

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_11]: Maybe not aren't.

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_06]: No. Oh, but if I were to choose a girl, definitely Anna Lucia,

[01:30:22] [SPEAKER_06]: because I love Michelle Rodriguez so much.

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_10]: Well, I feel like by you saying that now that means Jason and I have to choose a guy.

[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah. Sawyer. It's very easy.

[01:30:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Sawyer and Said are my two crushes.

[01:30:35] [SPEAKER_06]: They always have been.

[01:30:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I love Naveen Andrews.

[01:30:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my gosh.

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_10]: If I went with a guy, you know what?

[01:30:42] [SPEAKER_10]: It's probably Desmond.

[01:30:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah. That's a good one.

[01:30:46] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm thinking Jack, but am I a glutton for punishment?

[01:30:49] [SPEAKER_11]: A little bit. Yeah.

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_11]: It's not very pleasant. I don't know why.

[01:30:52] [SPEAKER_06]: No. Well, do you want old Jack or final Jack?

[01:30:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Would you want before Jack or would you want final Jack?

[01:31:06] [SPEAKER_11]: Final Jack.

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. So maybe not so much a glutton for punishment, right?

[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_06]: No. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

[01:31:13] [SPEAKER_06]: You're welcome.

[01:31:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Trying to make you feel better about your choice.

[01:31:15] [SPEAKER_10]: Final form.

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_10]: Final form.

[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_10]: Do you guys think Jack was aware the whole time that Notlock was going to lose his powers?

[01:31:26] [SPEAKER_11]: No.

[01:31:26] [SPEAKER_11]: And become mortal?

[01:31:27] [SPEAKER_11]: Because he said, I'm going to kill you and Notlock said how.

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_11]: And he goes, it's a surprise.

[01:31:33] [SPEAKER_11]: And then somebody asked him, how are you going to kill him?

[01:31:34] [SPEAKER_11]: And he goes, well, I think Desmond has something to do with it, but I'm not sure.

[01:31:38] [SPEAKER_11]: So I don't think he really knew.

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_11]: Because he just had a hunch.

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_10]: But then he attacks him immediately after they get out of the cave.

[01:31:45] [SPEAKER_10]: Like he knew this was going to hurt him.

[01:31:48] [SPEAKER_10]: Because then he punches him, he bleeds and he says to Notlock, it looks like you were wrong too.

[01:31:54] [SPEAKER_10]: I love that face.

[01:31:54] [SPEAKER_11]: I think he was just trying it out.

[01:31:56] [SPEAKER_11]: But yeah.

[01:31:57] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh maybe.

[01:31:58] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like he sees the blood.

[01:32:00] [SPEAKER_05]: He's like, oh, really excited.

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_10]: And I did.

[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_10]: He's just straddling.

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_10]: And he's like, it looks like you were wrong too.

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_10]: And then we get into that final confrontation.

[01:32:11] [SPEAKER_06]: That sidestab that Lock gave to him was just sickening.

[01:32:17] [SPEAKER_06]: And I read that they forgot to switch out the prop knife during that scene.

[01:32:24] [SPEAKER_06]: And Jack really died.

[01:32:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Jack, Matthew Fox actually did get stabbed.

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_06]: And the only reason why he didn't get hurt was because it was the one time

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_06]: he was wearing the Kevlar vest.

[01:32:39] [SPEAKER_06]: They actually talked about going without the Kevlar vest because they couldn't get the right angle

[01:32:45] [SPEAKER_06]: and they couldn't get things to like work with the choreography of the fight.

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_06]: And so Matthew Fox is like, well, let me just go without the Kevlar.

[01:32:53] [SPEAKER_06]: And they're like, no, no, you're not going to do that.

[01:32:56] [SPEAKER_06]: And then in the next scene, he gets for real stabbed.

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_10]: Well, that's also, maybe their stunt people were kind of slacking in this final season

[01:33:04] [SPEAKER_10]: because wasn't there something we were talking about where somebody actually got.

[01:33:07] [SPEAKER_10]: Like Michael Emerson actually gets punched in the face.

[01:33:10] [SPEAKER_06]: He gets punched in the eye in the last one.

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_10]: I still have a couple other little notes, but I don't want to kind of

[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_10]: hijack the conversation if other people have stuff.

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_11]: I thought, I mean, I just thought it was funny when

[01:33:23] [SPEAKER_11]: Hurley said that Jacob is worse than Yoda.

[01:33:28] [SPEAKER_10]: I also like how he says before they go to commercial break,

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_10]: I got a bad feeling about this.

[01:33:33] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:33:34] [SPEAKER_10]: Which he said in pretty much every Star Wars movie.

[01:33:38] [SPEAKER_11]: And I thought it was funny that Charlie,

[01:33:42] [SPEAKER_11]: that who was it?

[01:33:43] [SPEAKER_11]: Charlotte woke him up and said he needed it.

[01:33:46] [SPEAKER_11]: They were going to play and he's all, how do you know I'm in the band?

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_11]: And then there was a sign that said base player, wake me up for show on him.

[01:33:53] [SPEAKER_10]: I have to say too, in that moment, Kristen,

[01:33:56] [SPEAKER_10]: to kind of correct myself from last week where I thought that

[01:33:58] [SPEAKER_10]: it was an orchestra playing and Charlie was coming into a company.

[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_10]: I was way off on that.

[01:34:03] [SPEAKER_10]: It was actually all of driveshaft because everybody else was there.

[01:34:07] [SPEAKER_11]: That was Daniel Woodmore accompanied by driveshaft.

[01:34:11] [SPEAKER_11]: Yep.

[01:34:11] [SPEAKER_11]: I just had two more.

[01:34:14] [SPEAKER_11]: Desmond makes Kate put on this dress to go to a concert that reminded me

[01:34:18] [SPEAKER_11]: when Ben had Kate wear a dress, different circumstances,

[01:34:21] [SPEAKER_11]: but for breakfast, they're breakfast together.

[01:34:24] [SPEAKER_11]: And I always thought that Said actually should have been with

[01:34:28] [SPEAKER_11]: Nadia and the church, not Shannon.

[01:34:31] [SPEAKER_06]: So we talked about this earlier in the podcast because we've had the same

[01:34:36] [SPEAKER_06]: thoughts and we've talked about it endlessly every single time that there's a Said episode.

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_06]: And the final episode with Said and Nadia and the Flash sideways kind of shed some light that you

[01:34:48] [SPEAKER_06]: could make a very, very serious inference that Nadia and Said were never meant to be together.

[01:34:58] [SPEAKER_06]: And it was the Flash sideways that really kind of highlighted that because even in his Flash

[01:35:02] [SPEAKER_06]: sideways, he still was pining over her because his brother ended up marrying her.

[01:35:09] [SPEAKER_06]: And so I think that that was just one of those we love each other but were just not meant for

[01:35:15] [SPEAKER_06]: each other. I would have been okay with Said not having to be woken up by Shannon too.

[01:35:25] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. I feel like they kind of just wanted a reason to bring Shannon back into it maybe,

[01:35:31] [SPEAKER_11]: although they could have done something with Boone. Well, Boone wasn't around either so I don't know.

[01:35:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. I would have liked to have seen Locke wake Boone up because Locke was so important to Boone.

[01:35:43] [SPEAKER_11]: Push him off the cliff or something.

[01:35:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, exactly like that.

[01:35:47] [SPEAKER_06]: And even-

[01:35:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Right as he lands, he goes, I remember.

[01:35:50] [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, and to say the opposite to Locke was important to Boone but Boone was also very

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_10]: important to Locke I think in the same sense.

[01:35:57] [SPEAKER_06]: But not as much as the opposite.

[01:35:59] [SPEAKER_06]: On his experience in the island, I mean, I definitely wouldn't choose Boone to be the one

[01:36:05] [SPEAKER_06]: to wake up Locke. Definitely Jack in that moment was the best moment especially because

[01:36:12] [SPEAKER_06]: a lot of Locke's biggest moments were his own self-reflection and his self-growth.

[01:36:19] [SPEAKER_06]: So for him to be fixed by Jack and him looking up at his toe and seeing that his

[01:36:26] [SPEAKER_06]: toe was wiggling, that brings him back to his really his most miraculous thing that

[01:36:32] [SPEAKER_06]: ever happened on the island which was his first moments on the island of being able to walk again.

[01:36:38] [SPEAKER_11]: I also liked when-

[01:36:41] [SPEAKER_11]: Was it Hurley or was it Ben telling Locke you probably don't need that chair anymore

[01:36:48] [SPEAKER_11]: at the church and Locke's like, oh yeah good point.

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_10]: Just stand up.

[01:36:53] [SPEAKER_10]: I think one of my favorite things too about when you look at all the characters in their

[01:36:56] [SPEAKER_10]: enlightenment or their wake-up moments whatever you want to call them, it's-

[01:37:00] [SPEAKER_10]: I love the fact that they show how much these characters are all connected in that I don't

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_10]: think any one person wakes up more than one other person. Everybody is woken up by somebody

[01:37:12] [SPEAKER_10]: else whether it's you know Juliet and Sawyer wake each other up you know Locke is woken

[01:37:22] [SPEAKER_10]: up multiple people. Everybody is woken up by somebody else and it just shows the web of connection

[01:37:28] [SPEAKER_10]: between all these other characters and shows how well these characters are connected to each other.

[01:37:33] [SPEAKER_11]: And Jack kind of woke up a little bit with Locke and a little bit with Kate but not I guess that

[01:37:38] [SPEAKER_11]: doesn't count it's just a little flash but not until he-

[01:37:42] [SPEAKER_09]: It's act a little longer.

[01:37:43] [SPEAKER_10]: Well and I do have a theory about that which we'll get to when we talk about the

[01:37:46] [SPEAKER_10]: last couple minutes of the episode but as far as are the only other

[01:37:52] [SPEAKER_10]: notes that I have I love how the episode there's two scenes that the episode opens with the first one

[01:37:59] [SPEAKER_10]: being showing all the character reflections of themselves in the real life and in the flash

[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_10]: sideways and then I like how we kind of get the episode opening with Jack standing in the water

[01:38:14] [SPEAKER_10]: which is kind of like this is a baptism this is a new Jack he's been reborn by the waters

[01:38:20] [SPEAKER_10]: of this island. Let's see and then I think-

[01:38:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Many times over.

[01:38:26] [SPEAKER_10]: Yes exactly and then the only other final note I have other than being happy seeing the plane taken off

[01:38:33] [SPEAKER_10]: and the island being restored to the way it is you know Claire's fear of going home

[01:38:38] [SPEAKER_10]: was very interesting but I love how Kate's the one that kind of brings her out of that

[01:38:42] [SPEAKER_10]: but the only other one I have another favorite moment of mine from this episode is

[01:38:49] [SPEAKER_10]: Jack and Jack and Sawyer's final goodbye to each other when Sawyer is the one that says

[01:38:56] [SPEAKER_10]: thanks doc for everything and there's this mutual there's this they've always kind of mutually

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_10]: respected each other but they just never got along and Sawyer being the one to kind of offer

[01:39:07] [SPEAKER_10]: up that thanks before Jack does I thought spoke very highly of Sawyer's character so much

[01:39:15] [SPEAKER_10]: so that when we get the following scene in the flash sideways it's Sawyer and Jack crossing each other

[01:39:22] [SPEAKER_10]: in the hallway of the hospital when Sawyer looking for a place to you know something to eat

[01:39:27] [SPEAKER_10]: and Jack points them to the vending machine Sawyer says thanks doc any second guesses that

[01:39:33] [SPEAKER_10]: because that's familiar to him now.

[01:39:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah I saw that I loved that.

[01:39:37] [SPEAKER_10]: Was saying that.

[01:39:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah I loved that well anything with Sawyer I love but yes definitely

[01:39:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Sawyer's great I love it that he came upon them and he's like he took the gun and he took the bag

[01:39:50] [SPEAKER_06]: and he's like I'll see you again I'll see you soon you know he just like backs up I love Sawyer so

[01:39:56] [SPEAKER_06]: much he's great.

[01:39:57] [SPEAKER_10]: I told you he's one of the characters I've gained such a new appreciation for in this

[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_10]: real life.

[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_10]: You're welcome.

[01:40:03] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:40:04] [SPEAKER_10]: That's all that's all of my notes other than the end so I don't know if there's anything

[01:40:09] [SPEAKER_10]: else.

[01:40:10] [SPEAKER_10]: Talking about the end.

[01:40:11] [SPEAKER_11]: Everybody's.

[01:40:12] [SPEAKER_11]: I only one other thing I just thought of is when I think it was Ben called

[01:40:19] [SPEAKER_11]: Lapitas on the radio do you have an ETA on when that plane's going to be done.

[01:40:23] [SPEAKER_11]: Don't bother me.

[01:40:24] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh I think there sounds like they're making progress.

[01:40:28] [SPEAKER_05]: That was such a good Ben moment for sure.

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_10]: Like you know I've said it already in this episode and I've said it multiple times over

[01:40:37] [SPEAKER_10]: the course of this entire podcast and like the fact that Michael Emerson came in and was

[01:40:42] [SPEAKER_10]: only supposed to do three to four episodes of the show and became such a dynamic character

[01:40:48] [SPEAKER_10]: to the point where he's such a huge part of this show by the end I just and he's such

[01:40:55] [SPEAKER_10]: a complex character that's one of the reasons why he is my favorite character on the show.

[01:41:01] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean watching him and Terry O'Quinn who can just breathe so much character and life

[01:41:06] [SPEAKER_11]: into any words they say beyond the writing you know is such a pleasure.

[01:41:11] [SPEAKER_11]: They're so good and Michael Emerson he I got to do a panel with just him once.

[01:41:18] [SPEAKER_11]: So jealous and and he he was a very pleasant person and he like I think maybe on any

[01:41:26] [SPEAKER_11]: lost panel you get a lot of questions like what did this mean and what did that mean

[01:41:29] [SPEAKER_11]: and he tried his damn best to answer every question in detail you know which is really

[01:41:34] [SPEAKER_11]: cool and then I saw him alone at the bar that night and I just walked up and I was like that was a

[01:41:40] [SPEAKER_11]: good panel and he goes oh really yeah Kate he asked me to sit down and have a drink with him

[01:41:44] [SPEAKER_11]: which was like that never happened anywhere else. I'm ready to let you go now I'm so

[01:41:51] [SPEAKER_10]: if you ever get a chance to talk to him. I well so I have I have unfortunately with

[01:41:56] [SPEAKER_10]: the strikes happening right now nobody's doing any kind of interviews and which was really he

[01:42:01] [SPEAKER_10]: me later that night by the way just oh did he okay well now I don't feel that's how

[01:42:04] [SPEAKER_10]: he is yeah through him. I had every intention of reaching out to a bunch of different actors

[01:42:09] [SPEAKER_10]: to try and get them on for the end of this this wrap up because I have reached out to both

[01:42:14] [SPEAKER_10]: Michael Emerson and Terry O'Quinn's people and I've heard back from both. I have heard there was

[01:42:19] [SPEAKER_10]: interest in for for Michael to come on and then things just kind of fell apart and then

[01:42:24] [SPEAKER_10]: Terry O'Quinn I heard back almost immediately from his publicist and it's she said

[01:42:29] [SPEAKER_10]: he loves Lost but he doesn't like to kind of focus on past projects he wants to talk about the

[01:42:36] [SPEAKER_10]: future so he wasn't willing to come on to talk about Lost because he wanted to talk about other

[01:42:40] [SPEAKER_10]: stuff which I totally understand. Sure. But it would have been great to be able to have

[01:42:45] [SPEAKER_10]: that conversation with him about about the show. Absolutely. Yeah. So then with that said

[01:42:53] [SPEAKER_10]: let's dive into the final moments of this finale which I think are some of the most

[01:43:00] [SPEAKER_10]: meaningful but I think also maybe some of the most polarizing you know because if people aren't

[01:43:06] [SPEAKER_10]: paying attention as we mentioned you kind of miss the point of everything you know and it

[01:43:11] [SPEAKER_10]: starts with Jack's Jack finally getting his enlightenment and it's through

[01:43:19] [SPEAKER_10]: touching the the coffin of his father Christian who is actually standing there and talks to him

[01:43:27] [SPEAKER_10]: and I think this goes into like my little bit of theory as to why it took Jack so long

[01:43:33] [SPEAKER_10]: is Jack needed to see because he in that whole transition of being the man of science

[01:43:39] [SPEAKER_10]: the main of faith it is kind of a little bit of a regression in that he needs tangible proof

[01:43:45] [SPEAKER_10]: that this is what it is and seeing a man he knows has passed standing in front of him

[01:43:52] [SPEAKER_10]: is finally that tangible proof everything else can be kind of written off

[01:43:57] [SPEAKER_10]: you know if that makes sense like these flashies that he's seeing they could just be in his head

[01:44:01] [SPEAKER_10]: they could be whatever but seeing his father who he knows has passed

[01:44:06] [SPEAKER_10]: tend like actually talking to him and his father is the one that helps him realize

[01:44:12] [SPEAKER_10]: he's dead because he says to Christian like you're dead and Christian said you know is like what

[01:44:19] [SPEAKER_10]: it well what are you and then now Jack says I don't understand you died how are you here and

[01:44:25] [SPEAKER_11]: Christian said how are you here that's it yeah there's this pause where he's like willing up

[01:44:31] [SPEAKER_11]: with the motion I died too and I kind of died when I heard him say that it's like oh damn

[01:44:37] [SPEAKER_06]: and it is the moment that Jack finally realizes and Christian just looked devastated by it too

[01:44:43] [SPEAKER_06]: he looked devastated that he was standing in front of his dead son yeah okay but it also makes me realize

[01:44:50] [SPEAKER_10]: too because Christian is there which means Christian is now a part of this because he's

[01:44:56] [SPEAKER_10]: the first one to walk through the door after opening it so Christian is moving on with

[01:45:00] [SPEAKER_10]: everybody else which kind of lightens up Christian as a character because we're all meant to

[01:45:06] [SPEAKER_10]: believe throughout all of this that he was a you know he had another family he had an affair like

[01:45:13] [SPEAKER_10]: he wasn't that great of a father he was very hard on Jack which is all true but deep down Christian

[01:45:19] [SPEAKER_10]: loved his son so the fact that Christian stayed behind to move on with his son

[01:45:26] [SPEAKER_10]: speaks a lot about Christian and really lightens that character in the end

[01:45:31] [SPEAKER_11]: it made him feel like an ally and a father and it's maybe hard to remember after so many years

[01:45:41] [SPEAKER_11]: and watching this multiple times but that was the moment when we maybe we suspected but hoped

[01:45:48] [SPEAKER_11]: that they weren't dead but when he said I died too then you're like oh my god they're dead

[01:45:55] [SPEAKER_11]: and that's really sad but it's also for most of us anyway a lot of us a satisfying ending maybe

[01:46:02] [SPEAKER_11]: that's another reason why people didn't like this any because they just thought it was too much of

[01:46:07] [SPEAKER_11]: a downer for them to have all died you know but you've got to die sometime as Christian says

[01:46:10] [SPEAKER_06]: everyone dies at some point yeah but it was also just so beautifully written you know so it's

[01:46:18] [SPEAKER_06]: like if you're going to talk about death and you're gonna like really like kind of embrace

[01:46:22] [SPEAKER_06]: the subject the way that they do in this episode it's so beautifully written like it makes you be

[01:46:28] [SPEAKER_06]: like yo okay let's let's find out what happens beyond that door let's go you know I hope that

[01:46:34] [SPEAKER_06]: I hope that there's a place for me that I've made with everybody that I love that you know I get

[01:46:40] [SPEAKER_06]: to wake up and do the same thing like that's quite the way to transition if if if that's

[01:46:46] [SPEAKER_06]: real if that were to be real oh man I'd look forward to it you know good point it'd be such a joy to

[01:46:53] [SPEAKER_11]: get to experience that at the end of your life whenever that comes to be absolutely exactly um

[01:47:01] [SPEAKER_11]: so yeah and I and I feel like they're all together that's my canon ending that they went through

[01:47:06] [SPEAKER_11]: that thing together and they got to spend all of eternity with each other you know on the island

[01:47:12] [SPEAKER_11]: they're like oh

[01:47:17] [SPEAKER_10]: but that I mean but that's just it too seeing them all sitting together in the church everybody

[01:47:23] [SPEAKER_10]: together from Rosenbenard Charlie Claire Aaron like everybody there and then Christian opening

[01:47:28] [SPEAKER_10]: that door and the place just filling with this light like this is them moving on and I love the

[01:47:34] [SPEAKER_10]: fact too that like even Desmond calls it throughout this like you know we want I want to leave

[01:47:39] [SPEAKER_10]: and Christian is the one that says no you're not leaving you're moving on

[01:47:43] [SPEAKER_10]: and that's the most beautiful way to put it too and I just that final scene

[01:47:49] [SPEAKER_10]: is just it really sums up everything again about how like they weren't dead the whole time

[01:47:56] [SPEAKER_10]: everything happened is real we're getting this wrap up of all these characters they're all together

[01:48:02] [SPEAKER_10]: I I love jack and boon hugging in the church I love hurly grasping jack and picking him up and

[01:48:12] [SPEAKER_10]: bear hugging him you know like it's just you know with Libby in there with hurly everybody

[01:48:18] [SPEAKER_06]: it's just it's amazing I love the fact that um that Christian was there you know like we

[01:48:25] [SPEAKER_06]: often forget he was on the plane you know he was a big part especially in the first

[01:48:32] [SPEAKER_06]: in the first season you know he manifested well he it wasn't him but you know jack chased him

[01:48:39] [SPEAKER_06]: through the jungle he was you know he took um he was with Claire for a little bit you know

[01:48:45] [SPEAKER_06]: he's Claire's father I mean he was without being there like in the flesh as one of the

[01:48:53] [SPEAKER_06]: main cast members he was still part of their major part of the show yeah major part of the story so

[01:49:01] [SPEAKER_06]: at first I'm like Christian Shepherd what are you doing here like what do you have to do with anything

[01:49:06] [SPEAKER_06]: and I'm like you have everything to do with everything like you're the reason why jack was on the plane

[01:49:12] [SPEAKER_06]: you know of course he was going to wake up when he touched the coffin because

[01:49:17] [SPEAKER_06]: that was one of the most defining things that happened to jack if it wasn't for

[01:49:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Christian's death he wouldn't be in Sydney he wouldn't be on the plane he wouldn't

[01:49:25] [SPEAKER_06]: he wouldn't even be the you know self-hating doctor that he was in his you know original life so

[01:49:34] [SPEAKER_06]: you know it took me a couple of minutes to actually kind of process that through and

[01:49:39] [SPEAKER_06]: understand why Christian was there but I love it that he was their shepherd he was the one

[01:49:44] [SPEAKER_06]: that opened the doors that said come follow me and did you notice next to the doors on either side

[01:49:52] [SPEAKER_06]: were two angels and one was wearing a blue dress and one was wearing a pink dress

[01:49:57] [SPEAKER_10]: I didn't even see that I I didn't either what does that mean remember I talked about blue and

[01:50:03] [SPEAKER_06]: the blue oh that's right that's right you did last week and I could not figure out

[01:50:07] [SPEAKER_10]: oh yeah that's right yeah I love the fact to actually have it in my notes I have actually

[01:50:14] [SPEAKER_10]: Christian shepherd but actually is capitalized because you're right because every time jack has

[01:50:18] [SPEAKER_10]: seen Christian it's always been the man in black taking the form of Christian shepherd

[01:50:23] [SPEAKER_10]: yeah that was kind of revealed this time he's talking to Christian and it as actually Christian

[01:50:28] [SPEAKER_11]: shepherd that's why he's like are you real like hey man yeah but that guy John Terry

[01:50:34] [SPEAKER_11]: he passed away a couple of years ago oh I didn't know that causes and uh

[01:50:41] [SPEAKER_11]: so I asked chat GPT who of the other actors have passed and only him according to chat GPT

[01:50:48] [SPEAKER_11]: and Mira Furlan also I remember she passed away I think somewhat recently right yeah around

[01:50:55] [SPEAKER_11]: the same time both of them okay 2021 okay yeah um they were in a plane crash no I'm just kidding

[01:51:01] [SPEAKER_06]: god if any of them were to die by a plane crash that was just so sad I know I would be like wait you

[01:51:10] [SPEAKER_10]: need me to go where for filming um can we take a breath uh so I I like Christian um he

[01:51:20] [SPEAKER_11]: he says uh you know that you've made this place together it's people from the most important

[01:51:25] [SPEAKER_11]: part of your life and he goes that's why you're all here nobody does it alone jack you needed all

[01:51:30] [SPEAKER_11]: of them and they needed you and that echoes back to me of his whole famous live together dialogue

[01:51:37] [SPEAKER_11]: there but now they're dying together kind of and you know they're together that's the important

[01:51:41] [SPEAKER_11]: thing and now he also has to let go he has to let go and move on to the next place so

[01:51:48] [SPEAKER_11]: but this moment this whole sequence just killed me I was bawling and today watching it again

[01:51:55] [SPEAKER_11]: sobs and seeing them all hugging and everything and then you know interspersed with jack stumbling

[01:52:00] [SPEAKER_11]: on the island and then his eye closed I I just was so emotional watching more than anything I can

[01:52:06] [SPEAKER_11]: ever remember watching maybe the end of um six feet under as close that's another great ending

[01:52:10] [SPEAKER_11]: but uh and then when the show was over I felt depressed for like a week afterwards like I'd

[01:52:16] [SPEAKER_11]: been through a breakup or something it was I've never quite taken it so hard when the show

[01:52:22] [SPEAKER_10]: ended before right I didn't really I didn't really notice it until maybe more recently not this I've

[01:52:29] [SPEAKER_10]: noticed it before this rewatch but I didn't know really pick up one at the first time I ever watched

[01:52:33] [SPEAKER_10]: the finale how beautifully this series is bookended in the way it wraps because we do get those

[01:52:40] [SPEAKER_10]: moments in the church but they're not the final moment of the series as you mentioned you

[01:52:44] [SPEAKER_10]: kind of see jack stumbling through the bamboo and as he's stumbling through the bamboo

[01:52:48] [SPEAKER_10]: he's headed to if you're looking at the screen he's walking to the right or he's walking to the

[01:52:53] [SPEAKER_10]: left he passes the sneaker that's hanging off the piece of bamboo he lies down in the bamboo

[01:52:59] [SPEAKER_10]: and vincent comes in so jack actually doesn't die alone because vincent is lying by him side

[01:53:06] [SPEAKER_06]: well a dog is lying by his side well it's meant to be vincent

[01:53:11] [SPEAKER_11]: and then what happened to vincent I guess vincent was hurley's dog after that huh yeah

[01:53:15] [SPEAKER_10]: or went back to rosin benard because rosin benard are still on the island

[01:53:19] [SPEAKER_10]: oh oh yeah they never leave um I love you just kind of get this feeling that jack is finally at peace

[01:53:28] [SPEAKER_10]: especially with the smile on his face when he sees the plane fly overhead

[01:53:32] [SPEAKER_10]: like it's such a relief to him to know these people are getting off the island they're

[01:53:36] [SPEAKER_10]: going to survive he did his job yeah he didn't die for nothing yeah um and it's such a as I

[01:53:42] [SPEAKER_10]: mentioned it's such a beautiful bookend because the series begins the very first scene of the series in

[01:53:47] [SPEAKER_10]: the pilot which christin you would know because you just recently rewatched it but the kids

[01:53:51] [SPEAKER_10]: it starts with him his eye opening because the series ends with the final eye closing

[01:53:57] [SPEAKER_10]: it ends with vincent coming out of the bamboo to his side and jack chasing after him to the

[01:54:04] [SPEAKER_10]: right of the screen passing the shoe that is hanging on the bamboo uh out to the beach where

[01:54:13] [SPEAKER_10]: everything is so it's again it's just a beautiful bookend to how the show began and I kind of love it

[01:54:21] [SPEAKER_10]: he landed on the bamboo and he and and he dies in the bamboo you know they end with lost at

[01:54:26] [SPEAKER_11]: the end the boom lost yeah I was thinking what if it said found at the very end but I'm like

[01:54:32] [SPEAKER_10]: that's a little easy it could be something s&l did that would be amazing

[01:54:42] [SPEAKER_10]: found but I mean that is pretty much everything I have on this finale I'm good yeah it was beautiful

[01:54:51] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm so glad that you um that you wanted to share this with us Jason this was really fun well

[01:54:58] [SPEAKER_11]: thanks I'm glad that you wanted me to because I almost feel like you guys did this all this whole

[01:55:04] [SPEAKER_11]: time that I feel a little bit intrusive but um it was definitely a lot of fun and thank you for

[01:55:10] [SPEAKER_10]: letting me come in and share it well anytime and you had shared a while back too that you were

[01:55:14] [SPEAKER_10]: like oh I want to come back on for the finale and I think we were only maybe like in season two

[01:55:18] [SPEAKER_10]: or three when you said it we were like nope it's pretty much the whole bookend thing just

[01:55:22] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah like I like the idea of that you opened our eyes and now we're closing your eyes

[01:55:29] [SPEAKER_10]: and I mean and I'm sure I speak for Kristen when I say this too we know you're also a big fan of

[01:55:34] [SPEAKER_10]: of Ted Lasso so you know hopefully we'll get you back on for for Ted Lasso when we start

[01:55:39] [SPEAKER_10]: I love to yeah it'd be fun I'm gonna go find a f&%king windmill I'm so excited now

[01:55:45] [SPEAKER_10]: now you know I gotta play it now that you said no I know you're gonna let's go find a f&%king windmill

[01:55:53] [SPEAKER_10]: we're gonna let you go before we go into feedback but before we let you go um tell people where

[01:55:59] [SPEAKER_10]: you know we plug podcastica but so you're the creator of it so it's better said in your

[01:56:03] [SPEAKER_10]: in your words this time yeah um what do you got going on tell us about podcastica all that

[01:56:09] [SPEAKER_11]: fun stuff yeah if anyone's at all curious I highly I think a lot of people hear me say go to

[01:56:14] [SPEAKER_11]: podcastica.com but nobody ever does or not a lot of people go there and check it out the website's

[01:56:19] [SPEAKER_11]: actually really useful you can search through all the episodes but if you just click the podcast tab

[01:56:24] [SPEAKER_11]: you can see all the podcasts that we do all the shows that we cover and you can click through to

[01:56:31] [SPEAKER_11]: Apple podcasts or whatever platform you're on um but right now I'm excited to get started on

[01:56:37] [SPEAKER_11]: The Daryl Show which premieres tomorrow or you know this weekend yeah uh Gerald Dixon in

[01:56:42] [SPEAKER_11]: France it looks like it's pretty good it's a silly premise but um I've heard some I've heard some mixed

[01:56:49] [SPEAKER_10]: but we'll uh we'll see I'll watch for myself I mean I made a joke because I went to Rotten Tomatoes

[01:56:54] [SPEAKER_11]: and the score was 69 and I was like even his RT score is cool but um yeah I the what people seem

[01:57:02] [SPEAKER_11]: to be saying is there's a lot of good things about it if there's anything that's not good

[01:57:06] [SPEAKER_11]: it's that it's a little too close to the formula but there's nothing that I've heard

[01:57:10] [SPEAKER_11]: where they're saying it's bad you know so we'll see we'll see yeah um aside from that I've been

[01:57:16] [SPEAKER_11]: having a blast covering white lotus with my wife Jenny and our friend Randy that HBO show The White

[01:57:22] [SPEAKER_11]: Lotus uh getting into that and um you just finished the first season right yeah we're gonna move on to

[01:57:29] [SPEAKER_11]: season two next week which I didn't like as much but I'm thinking podcasting about it will make

[01:57:35] [SPEAKER_10]: me appreciate it more and I think you're also toying with the I know you haven't really decided on

[01:57:40] [SPEAKER_10]: that 100% yet but I think you're toying with the idea of doing a rewatch of The Walking Dead

[01:57:48] [SPEAKER_11]: that's right no we're we're going yeah that's the plan and we did an episode of the cast of us

[01:57:56] [SPEAKER_11]: you know where we cover walking dead stuff recently um about Darryl about our favorite

[01:58:01] [SPEAKER_11]: things about Darryl and so I had to go back and do some research and watch some scenes and you know

[01:58:07] [SPEAKER_11]: after podcasting about The Walking Dead for 12 years I was like I need a break you know that's

[01:58:12] [SPEAKER_11]: that's good for a while but now after some time has passed and going back and watching those scenes

[01:58:17] [SPEAKER_11]: I was like oh god yeah that that was so good now I'm really into the idea of starting the

[01:58:21] [SPEAKER_11]: rewatch maybe sooner than I thought we would so we might actually start it you know after the

[01:58:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Darryl show is over yeah I'm going to follow along yay I've been wanting to rewatch it but I need a

[01:58:35] [SPEAKER_11]: reason yeah there you go everybody going and people can come guest you guys can come guest if you want

[01:58:40] [SPEAKER_10]: I mean you know yeah we're we're gonna be starting Ted Lasso but yeah there's another show you can

[01:58:44] [SPEAKER_10]: watch along and follow along when you guys do are you gonna do that on the cast of us

[01:58:49] [SPEAKER_11]: yes okay and then we'll take breaks when other shows come out like the other spin-offs in the

[01:58:53] [SPEAKER_11]: if the last of us ever comes back on again hopefully soon better come but and just like

[01:58:57] [SPEAKER_11]: just like we cover all kinds of shows we've got um Kristen and Jonathan and James doing

[01:59:03] [SPEAKER_11]: Ahsoka right now and they're awesome and Loki's coming out soon and you know just

[01:59:09] [SPEAKER_11]: if you go and check there's a decent chance a show you like will be covered by us on there

[01:59:14] [SPEAKER_10]: somewhere yeah that's what we tell everybody when we promote it every week is that there's

[01:59:17] [SPEAKER_10]: something for everybody over at podcastica yeah do you just gotta go look and check it out

[01:59:23] [SPEAKER_10]: so uh yeah so Jason thank you so much for coming back on and again it's been a long

[01:59:29] [SPEAKER_10]: journey covering the show uh so we're glad that you came back on to to be a part of

[01:59:35] [SPEAKER_10]: wrapping up that story thank you so thank you yeah all right let's dive into some feedback

[01:59:44] [SPEAKER_10]: for this finale episode in which we actually have a good amount I'm very happy about this

[01:59:51] [SPEAKER_06]: yes where were you guys the past four or five years where were you thank you for the

[01:59:57] [SPEAKER_06]: thank you for all of this wonderful feedback now we really do appreciate it yeah and it

[02:00:02] [SPEAKER_10]: and it's a nice mix of people leaving feedback as to their thoughts on the finale as well as

[02:00:08] [SPEAKER_10]: their thoughts on us covering the show and so now we do have four voicemails two of them are

[02:00:16] [SPEAKER_10]: good mini podcasts are like mini podcasts so but you know and ordinarily we'll put this out there

[02:00:23] [SPEAKER_10]: going into ted lasso um try and keep voicemails to maybe two to three minutes max especially for

[02:00:32] [SPEAKER_10]: ted lasso because they're shorter episodes so we're gonna ask going forward just try and

[02:00:36] [SPEAKER_10]: keep the voicemails to like two to three minutes max uh but because this is a series

[02:00:41] [SPEAKER_10]: finale of a show we've been covering for a number of years now two of the voicemails are

[02:00:46] [SPEAKER_10]: like nine minutes long we'll allow it uh apologies to anybody listening like hopefully

[02:00:51] [SPEAKER_10]: we don't listen to them in advance so we don't know what they say uh but hopefully they keep us

[02:00:56] [SPEAKER_10]: engaged they keep you as listeners engaged uh as we're going forward but we have I just

[02:01:02] [SPEAKER_06]: wanted to say I'm like really sad that this is over I know I am too I it's like I'm looking

[02:01:08] [SPEAKER_06]: forward to ted lasso but I also really really loved covering this show well you are dive you've

[02:01:16] [SPEAKER_06]: already made the dive right back in well yeah which is we were just talking about this before we

[02:01:23] [SPEAKER_06]: started recording so as we were what as we were prepping for the finale I thought it would be fun

[02:01:29] [SPEAKER_06]: to go back and watch the pilot again and this time I added my family to it and my kids have never

[02:01:34] [SPEAKER_06]: seen it and so by the time we started recording uh last week we were already three episodes in

[02:01:40] [SPEAKER_06]: and last night we watched the fifth episode which was a house of the rising sun and um you know

[02:01:46] [SPEAKER_06]: just watching my kids watch this show for the first time and I'm hoping to squash the questions

[02:01:53] [SPEAKER_06]: the constant are they dead questions are they really dead no they just want to know like is

[02:01:59] [SPEAKER_06]: this a good character what wait when we hate they hate Sawyer they hate gin um as they should

[02:02:05] [SPEAKER_06]: right um they're so so on Michael like because Michael just got beat up last last episode right

[02:02:14] [SPEAKER_06]: but he's also a terrible father right now and so um and didn't care about Vincent which really

[02:02:21] [SPEAKER_06]: bugged him so it's just been really fun because they just because I've never ever ever watched

[02:02:27] [SPEAKER_06]: the show and then immediately started to rewatch and it is so weird with all of like the

[02:02:34] [SPEAKER_06]: analyzing we've been doing and going back and just watching it and the kids are like what about this

[02:02:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm like I know that answer no I know that answer too yeah oh no I'm not going to tell you

[02:02:44] [SPEAKER_10]: and the and the funny thing is too when we were having the discussion by the way if

[02:02:47] [SPEAKER_10]: you're listening and you're confused as to the timeline uh this episode is being recorded in

[02:02:51] [SPEAKER_10]: two different sessions uh because this was to help with Jason's schedule who was on for the main

[02:02:56] [SPEAKER_10]: part of the podcast um we are recording the feedback section now as a separate uh on a different day

[02:03:02] [SPEAKER_10]: so if you're wondering why Jason's voice is not present that's because he is actually

[02:03:07] [SPEAKER_10]: on a trip right now which is why Jason but one of the funny things that you told me when we

[02:03:15] [SPEAKER_10]: were talking about that is how your daughter created a board trying to keep track of everything

[02:03:20] [SPEAKER_10]: and I was like oh no in season one she's gonna meet a much bigger board as she goes oh she already

[02:03:27] [SPEAKER_06]: has quite a few things on her board um I can send you some pictures I'll send you pictures as as

[02:03:32] [SPEAKER_06]: it progresses to see how involved the board gets when we start getting ribbon or yarn tied

[02:03:38] [SPEAKER_06]: to things that's when we should start to get very nervous and worried for Danny

[02:03:43] [SPEAKER_10]: she's gonna start a a crime podcast later on in her life oh my gosh she would be so good at that

[02:03:53] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm just so I'm like she's gonna need I'm gonna take bets on how many times you hear mom

[02:03:59] [SPEAKER_10]: I need another board I need we're gonna need a bigger board wait there are tail end survivors

[02:04:05] [SPEAKER_10]: mom I need another board

[02:04:10] [SPEAKER_10]: all these new characters I need a new board mom

[02:04:17] [SPEAKER_10]: need like god once she gets introduced to the tailies and then the others

[02:04:22] [SPEAKER_10]: at the end there's so many characters I can't wait we're even from when

[02:04:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Ethan from from just appears that should be fun oh yeah where'd he come from

[02:04:37] [SPEAKER_06]: it's like um do you ever see dogma oh god yes you know at the end when uh when uh

[02:04:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Jay wakes up he's like who the fuck is this chick what's going on why

[02:04:49] [SPEAKER_10]: I love that movie by the way it's such a good movie I think that's one of Kevin's best

[02:04:53] [SPEAKER_06]: oh no it is his best I really I really think well follow very closely by malratz

[02:05:01] [SPEAKER_10]: yeah although I adore clerks too as well I never got into clerks like everybody else did I saw the

[02:05:08] [SPEAKER_06]: first two I didn't see the third one and they were all right but I'm a sucker for dogma man yeah I dogma

[02:05:16] [SPEAKER_10]: is just I adore it's so smart well done very well done it's incredibly smart written and directed by a

[02:05:24] [SPEAKER_10]: Catholic well so I was actually going to tell you I know we're already off topic which part for the

[02:05:29] [SPEAKER_10]: course this is the feedback section one of the one of the funniest stories I've ever heard and I've

[02:05:35] [SPEAKER_10]: heard Kevin tell the story a number of times actually and I think it's actually on one of

[02:05:40] [SPEAKER_10]: the specials he did the evening with Kevin's specials is he found out that protesters were going to the

[02:05:48] [SPEAKER_10]: movie theater his local movie theater yeah to protest dogma when it was in theaters so he decided

[02:05:57] [SPEAKER_10]: to go down and join the protest because people didn't know who he was like they didn't know

[02:06:05] [SPEAKER_10]: how he physically looked yet he wasn't nearly as famous yet at that point

[02:06:10] [SPEAKER_10]: people who knew the movies knew who he was but he wasn't as like pop culture famous as he is now

[02:06:15] [SPEAKER_10]: so he went down there and apparently there were reporters down there and they chose him to be

[02:06:20] [SPEAKER_10]: interviewed so he got interviewed on the local news and faked his name and talked about how much

[02:06:30] [SPEAKER_10]: how horrible the movie is and it shouldn't be here and it's against all religion like he played into

[02:06:38] [SPEAKER_10]: and there are that's on youtube somewhere yeah okay good perfect i'm gonna go look forward after

[02:06:43] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah all right let's let's do feedback and then we could talk about this more let's put a pit in that

[02:06:48] [SPEAKER_10]: because that's great and we have a and we do have a good amount of feedback to get through too

[02:06:53] [SPEAKER_10]: so let's get through the written feedback first in which we have a couple things that we will

[02:06:59] [SPEAKER_10]: discuss and i'm gonna let you start with the first one it's very short but it comes from somebody

[02:07:06] [SPEAKER_06]: you are very well acquainted with yes it's from jonathan from my uh from our asoka podcast

[02:07:14] [SPEAKER_06]: who has the best voice for radio that you will ever hear that you will ever hear please

[02:07:20] [SPEAKER_06]: go to the asoka podcast just to listen for it subscribe now

[02:07:24] [SPEAKER_06]: wow ding jonathan says wow well done and i think that's in regards to when i put up the

[02:07:31] [SPEAKER_10]: post for feedback in that group that he's a part of just saying how we've completed this journey

[02:07:37] [SPEAKER_10]: and so it's a wow well done as in like congratulations we did it you finished

[02:07:44] [SPEAKER_10]: the next one comes from mary lee hutchinson she says ben and christen thank you so much

[02:07:51] [SPEAKER_10]: for your great coverage of lost i love i loved lost when it aired but i always felt that the

[02:07:57] [SPEAKER_10]: ending was confusing with the time jumps and alternate timelines it seemed to me that during

[02:08:01] [SPEAKER_10]: the final season the writers did not have a clear vision of how to end the show and i have to say

[02:08:06] [SPEAKER_10]: that i felt about cheated i felt a bit cheated however i have really enjoyed your coverage

[02:08:12] [SPEAKER_10]: and you have done so much to help change my mind about the ending of this great show

[02:08:17] [SPEAKER_10]: thank you so much for pouring yourselves into this podcast and for helping this girl feel much

[02:08:22] [SPEAKER_10]: better about the fate of so many wonderful characters in the end i have a big smile on my face you're

[02:08:28] [SPEAKER_10]: welcome mary that was the goal that was the ultimate goal when we started covering lost yeah

[02:08:36] [SPEAKER_06]: derrick i assume this is derrick o'neill this is derrick o'neill derrick o'neill he has his

[02:08:41] [SPEAKER_06]: own podcast network it's wonderful tv podcast industries yes thank you very much it was escaping me

[02:08:48] [SPEAKER_06]: all of a sudden tv podcast industries he is a wonderful irish podcaster and if you want to

[02:08:54] [SPEAKER_06]: listen to his beautiful voice i suggest going and listening to any of his wonderful podcasts

[02:09:01] [SPEAKER_06]: derrick says hey christin ben and jason derrick from dublin here i love it i can't believe

[02:09:07] [SPEAKER_06]: we're at the end i've been listening along to every episode for about four years but never

[02:09:11] [SPEAKER_06]: felt i could contribute anything better than you said for every episode i've loved your coverage of

[02:09:15] [SPEAKER_06]: lost and i love this show i think it was the first finale that was shown at the same time worldwide

[02:09:20] [SPEAKER_06]: oh i didn't know that i just remember bawling my eyes out at the episode when i realized that

[02:09:25] [SPEAKER_06]: everyone dies they meet together and pass to the other side and then the they were always

[02:09:30] [SPEAKER_06]: in purgatory crowd came in and ruined it i'm so glad i listened back along with you both

[02:09:35] [SPEAKER_06]: hopefully i'll have as much fun listening along with the podcast on whatever you do after ted lasso

[02:09:40] [SPEAKER_06]: i'm glad we got to live together and not die alone oh derrick i love you that was wonderful thank you

[02:09:46] [SPEAKER_10]: my heart is like exploding right now he actually sent that in like two weeks ago too and i message

[02:09:51] [SPEAKER_10]: him back as like we're gonna save this for the series finale he's like oh yeah he's like perfect

[02:09:56] [SPEAKER_10]: he's like that's that's perfect it's wonderful yeah uh and then this last piece of written in

[02:10:01] [SPEAKER_10]: actually comes from jason who was with us for the main point uh because i believe he had a thought

[02:10:06] [SPEAKER_10]: about something he had mentioned during that and jason says during the podcast i said i thought the

[02:10:12] [SPEAKER_10]: supernatural aspects of the flash sideways were unrelated to the supernatural aspects of the island

[02:10:17] [SPEAKER_10]: but then i saw a video explaining the light of the island as the source of all life and something

[02:10:23] [SPEAKER_10]: that the characters came from and then in the end returned to that explains why the light in the

[02:10:29] [SPEAKER_10]: cave has the same glow as the light coming from the open doors of the church at the end

[02:10:33] [SPEAKER_10]: i'm not sure if that's what the writers had in mind but maybe i kind of hyped i kind of hope so

[02:10:38] [SPEAKER_10]: because i like how that ties things together that is a great observation and it also comes from

[02:10:45] [SPEAKER_10]: marcellus wallace's briefcase that's right in pulp fiction so he found a mobile version of the

[02:10:53] [SPEAKER_10]: light he he's the new man in black but yeah i mean the light being i mean maybe that's

[02:11:01] [SPEAKER_10]: just it maybe when they say like it oh what was that show there was a show i believe it was on hbo

[02:11:09] [SPEAKER_10]: where like nobody could die like nobody died on hb was it pushing up daisies no no pushing up daisies

[02:11:17] [SPEAKER_10]: was that was when they brought them back from the dead um no there was i can't remember it and

[02:11:22] [SPEAKER_10]: we might get comments for it but uh there was a show i think were like something happened in

[02:11:28] [SPEAKER_10]: the world and because of it nobody could die like nobody died from disease somebody died from physical

[02:11:34] [SPEAKER_10]: aspects um and if you i'm crowded yeah and if you extinguish the light maybe that's what happens

[02:11:42] [SPEAKER_06]: people can't then everybody would have died one well well i mean if you go down so they unplugged

[02:11:51] [SPEAKER_06]: the light was out for a good while in that last episode well and we didn't even mention this

[02:11:58] [SPEAKER_10]: during the during the main part too but when the light was out it kind of went from heaven to hell

[02:12:04] [SPEAKER_10]: because the light goes it goes red and growls so maybe that's just a demo gorgon maybe if you

[02:12:13] [SPEAKER_10]: extinguish that light then everybody goes to hell nobody can go to heaven that's the plug to the

[02:12:17] [SPEAKER_10]: upside down oh see that's that's another gateway that's why 11 needs to be on lost

[02:12:24] [SPEAKER_06]: that would be a great crossover that would have been before her time though that'd be a great

[02:12:28] [SPEAKER_06]: crossover though all of a sudden hurley shows up in season five of stranger things he's like hey

[02:12:33] [SPEAKER_06]: 11 we need you let's go stop dude stop dude let's get this all cleaned up please snap the fingers thank

[02:12:41] [SPEAKER_10]: you uh but let's get into the voicemails and again some of them are rather lengthy so

[02:12:47] [SPEAKER_10]: apologize ahead of time we haven't listened to them in advance uh but let's start let's kick

[02:12:51] [SPEAKER_10]: off with des who we haven't actually had a voicemail from in a while i know he's been kind of busy

[02:12:56] [SPEAKER_10]: um and this one's one of the shorter voicemails uh but here is the voicemail from des

[02:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: hey guys it's des sorry i hadn't called in a while but zanders chinchillas keeps stealing my phone

[02:13:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and hiding it underneath their exercise wheel whatever anyway um i kind of had a theory i

[02:13:17] [SPEAKER_00]: wanted to share with you before we finish up with lost um the souls in the flash sideways

[02:13:24] [SPEAKER_00]: we always wondered if some of them like david shepherd were actually real people or not or

[02:13:29] [SPEAKER_00]: if they're just something that was put there to help them move along i think every soul

[02:13:34] [SPEAKER_00]: everyone in the flash sideways is an actual soul just waiting to move on but i think david

[02:13:41] [SPEAKER_00]: shepherd is actually ray shepherd um jack's grandfather we know that jack and christian

[02:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: had a rough relationship and that this doesn't come from anywhere i think that probably christian and

[02:13:54] [SPEAKER_00]: ray's was just as rough in fact ray didn't approve of his wedding with uh his wife um what do you

[02:14:02] [SPEAKER_00]: guys think about that okay i'm gonna let you guys go oh and congratulations on finally finishing

[02:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: the show i thought i was gonna die a very very old man before you got to the finale you're a

[02:14:18] [SPEAKER_06]: you know what yeah but we needed one zinger or it wasn't a des voicemail yeah exactly as we only

[02:14:25] [SPEAKER_10]: got one um first off you kind of locked those chinchillas up and i don't know what doesn't

[02:14:34] [SPEAKER_06]: even sound like a real story that just sounds fake we need more detail yeah i'm gonna need more

[02:14:41] [SPEAKER_06]: on the chinchilla fiasco happening in the combs house so so what's it like on the chinchilla front

[02:14:48] [SPEAKER_10]: i don't know if i buy the whole david being ray um i think that's a little bit of a stretch

[02:14:56] [SPEAKER_06]: maybe i could see an argument for it but if that was the case then christian would not have left

[02:15:04] [SPEAKER_06]: with the rest of them he would have stayed behind to fix his relationship with his father

[02:15:10] [SPEAKER_06]: much like he got to fix his relationship with his son or there would have been a reason for david

[02:15:15] [SPEAKER_10]: to have also been in the church one or the other yeah so i know i think i think david was an

[02:15:22] [SPEAKER_10]: amalgamation i think he was a creation something to help jack kind of move forward i mean there

[02:15:29] [SPEAKER_10]: are other souls in there obviously that are going to be moving on at some point different times but

[02:15:34] [SPEAKER_10]: um you know like as we you know like uh like myles is in there daniel charlotte like there's other

[02:15:40] [SPEAKER_10]: people in there elouise i don't i i don't buy david being ray well and i mean if you think well

[02:15:48] [SPEAKER_06]: i mean look that's that could be up to interpretation for sure uh i do know that you

[02:15:53] [SPEAKER_06]: know christian shepherd did say this church is a place that you all created so you can find

[02:15:59] [SPEAKER_06]: each other again those are the people that are from the original playing crash crash plus juliet

[02:16:05] [SPEAKER_06]: right so i mean juliet was such an integral part of this core group this original core group that she

[02:16:11] [SPEAKER_06]: kind of got grandfathered into the place but anybody after that of course they're not going

[02:16:16] [SPEAKER_06]: to be added into that which you know that does mean that myles and charlotte and daniel and

[02:16:22] [SPEAKER_06]: whoever else they're not going to be able to come along because it's not for them and ben

[02:16:26] [SPEAKER_06]: knew that it was not for him as well he was invited but hurley knew or ben knew that he was

[02:16:34] [SPEAKER_06]: the antagonist of a lot of their stories and he had no business in that church

[02:16:40] [SPEAKER_06]: as as wonderful as his arc was as redemptive as his arc was he didn't belong in that church

[02:16:47] [SPEAKER_06]: so whether or not david is a true person or not that i don't think that that's really important

[02:16:53] [SPEAKER_06]: to the end of this particular story yeah i could see that i mean and the only other person i can make

[02:17:00] [SPEAKER_10]: maybe vouch for and maybe make an argument for belonged in that church with everybody else would

[02:17:05] [SPEAKER_10]: have been myles but but the only thing i see him staying behind for is the same as we talked about

[02:17:12] [SPEAKER_10]: this during the the meat of the episode earlier is very similarly to how daniel stayed behind

[02:17:18] [SPEAKER_10]: because of the relationship with his mother elowe's i could see myles staying behind with

[02:17:22] [SPEAKER_06]: the relationship with his father pier i think that if daniel had been given the opportunity to go

[02:17:28] [SPEAKER_06]: into into the church and away from his mom he would have taken it so that was just a that

[02:17:34] [SPEAKER_06]: was a side deal that does minden and elowe's probably created and keeping charlotte there at

[02:17:39] [SPEAKER_06]: least kept daniel happy maybe i don't know but i but i think that that was mainly a selfish

[02:17:46] [SPEAKER_06]: elowe's decision i would have liked to have seen myles move on with with them only because

[02:17:53] [SPEAKER_06]: he was such an important part of the 70s three-year span well like you mentioned with juliette kind

[02:18:00] [SPEAKER_10]: of being grandfathered in because you spent all that time with them myles did the same exact thing

[02:18:05] [SPEAKER_06]: so he did but who was who was his his link it was his father well that's why i say i can

[02:18:14] [SPEAKER_06]: understand why he stayed behind right because he actually got to have a life albeit a fake life but

[02:18:20] [SPEAKER_06]: a life with his father that he never got to have before yeah um and that's really special it it

[02:18:26] [SPEAKER_06]: it really i wouldn't i also wouldn't have been mad at jinn and son staying behind to raise their

[02:18:34] [SPEAKER_06]: daughter even if it wasn't a flash sideways until they were ready to move on well i mean as

[02:18:42] [SPEAKER_06]: they didn't get that they didn't get that together well jinn never got that that's what i'm saying

[02:18:47] [SPEAKER_06]: so they didn't get it together they didn't get to do it together but i mean again

[02:18:54] [SPEAKER_10]: in i mentioned this during the main conversation too gion does kind of go with them i know i know

[02:19:00] [SPEAKER_06]: and i i see where you're going with that i do i just they were they were robbed of so much

[02:19:08] [SPEAKER_06]: you know like like we've said so many times on the podcast jinn and son are just such an

[02:19:13] [SPEAKER_06]: epic beautiful tragic love story from start to finish yeah i get it i get it uh all right let's

[02:19:23] [SPEAKER_10]: move on to the next let's do a long one and then steve and then a long one we're gonna well we're

[02:19:29] [SPEAKER_10]: gonna wrap with steve because steve has been with us since the beginning so we're gonna

[02:19:33] [SPEAKER_10]: live steving originated on our podcast yes it did so to anybody else listening who gets

[02:19:39] [SPEAKER_10]: live steving on other podcasts it's you're welcome uh but let's uh let's go with jim this cut this

[02:19:46] [SPEAKER_10]: voicemail comes from jim p jim has messaged me numerous times uh about wanting to leave feedback

[02:19:52] [SPEAKER_10]: and just has never had the opportunity because he's kind of been behind in the watch um and he

[02:19:56] [SPEAKER_10]: kind of pushed through to get caught up by the time oh we finished and he's finally getting in

[02:20:02] [SPEAKER_10]: something by the end so this is one of the lengthier ones uh but again because i know he's been trying

[02:20:08] [SPEAKER_10]: so hard to get something in before we wrapped up we're gonna allow it it's all five years of

[02:20:14] [SPEAKER_10]: feedback in one except i think it's just about the finna i don't know we haven't heard no no

[02:20:19] [SPEAKER_06]: but that's what i'm saying it's all the time that he would have had for five years it's just

[02:20:24] [SPEAKER_10]: in one exactly yeah uh but here we go this is our voicemail from jim pete hey there christin and ben

[02:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: this is jim from raleigh here to talk about finally rated the nick of time lost season six episodes

[02:20:41] [SPEAKER_01]: 17 and 18 the two part series finale of what i think may be a top two or three network television

[02:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: show of all time in my book it's number one but that's where i want to start and in full disclosure

[02:21:00] [SPEAKER_01]: this is like the third time i'm trying to record this the other two times were over 10 minutes

[02:21:04] [SPEAKER_01]: i'm gonna try to get this around five which is probably still too long but it is what it is

[02:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: when the show ended in 2010 if you'd ask me my favorite show i would have said lost

[02:21:14] [SPEAKER_01]: it frustrated me it made me want to bang my head against the table um because the questions

[02:21:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and the answers and did i like the answers and did we get the answers and i think even with that i

[02:21:28] [SPEAKER_01]: looked forward to that show so much every single week that i would definitely have put it as my

[02:21:36] [SPEAKER_01]: number one show for the past 13 years it's sort of gotten lost in translation no pun intended

[02:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: other shows have been out that i've absolutely loved other science fiction shows other real

[02:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: shows and i've never rewatched lost it was such a meaningful show for me at the time

[02:21:54] [SPEAKER_01]: that i just didn't want to kind of put it in my forefront again um it's funny too because going back

[02:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and if you could go back in real time from 2004 2010 with jim and his viewing of the show

[02:22:11] [SPEAKER_01]: i was one of those people who watched that series finale initially and was frustrated by it and i

[02:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: can't remember the specifics of the frustration it wasn't really that they didn't answer all of the

[02:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: questions i think it was a combination of being frustrated that the show was over i think i you

[02:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: know i was meeting up with friends every week to watch the show we would have parties every

[02:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: week to watch it um so we were doing a lot of that online discussion in person i really wasn't

[02:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: super big online presence for tv shows in 2010 um so i wasn't really getting frustrated

[02:22:44] [SPEAKER_01]: necessarily by that but i think we all had such stark opinions about the show and beliefs of what

[02:22:51] [SPEAKER_01]: was going on but i remember when the show ended there not an argument per se but i remember us

[02:22:57] [SPEAKER_01]: all sitting at a round table talking about what lost did and didn't do in that last episode

[02:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and i remember being frustrated by that i was one of those people who

[02:23:10] [SPEAKER_01]: thought that that last episode wasn't as good as it could have been so fast forward now to my

[02:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: rewatch now as i've said i've never watched since the series finale i've never watched even a second

[02:23:24] [SPEAKER_01]: of lost um i bought the box set to rewatch it uh which i'm actually going to put a video up on

[02:23:33] [SPEAKER_01]: podcast to cut some point on facebook group because it's an amazing box set but neither

[02:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: here nor there i bought that box set and i've never touched it until about a year ago

[02:23:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and i decided that my daughter um she had been asking me about the show so we decided

[02:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: to rewatch it together and we didn't binge it per se but we would watch two or three episodes at a time

[02:23:57] [SPEAKER_01]: and three months in a while we would sit on a weekend and watch you know a few and it was fun

[02:24:04] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of going through with her her thoughts and connecting them back to my thoughts from back

[02:24:10] [SPEAKER_01]: in the day and you know i let her know this is this this is the season that not split into two

[02:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: parts six and six or i think eight and six or something like that and this was the

[02:24:19] [SPEAKER_01]: season that got cut short by the writer's strike and this is when they said that they were going to

[02:24:23] [SPEAKER_01]: end the show um and it was a lot of fun kind of working through that but she got to go through

[02:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: the show without the baggage and i got to be honest with you now having watched it in that

[02:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of bingey fashion not too quick but a lot quicker than the whole entire series took place

[02:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: i can honestly tell you that a lot of the flaws that i saw back then just didn't take shape they

[02:24:50] [SPEAKER_01]: were still there they were still maybe at some point too many characters or maybe at some

[02:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: some point too many convoluted stories that didn't need to happen but i do think that

[02:25:00] [SPEAKER_01]: carl and q's and damon lindelof got um saddled with trying to figure out how to extend a

[02:25:06] [SPEAKER_01]: series that they didn't want to extend they had a finite end i mean i i you know damon

[02:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: lindelof has said numerous times that they really wish they could have ended the show in three seasons

[02:25:17] [SPEAKER_01]: i don't know how they could have landed it as perfectly as they did which i'll get to in a second but

[02:25:22] [SPEAKER_01]: um i think when you're trying to draw a story it can get really difficult and then you know

[02:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: they were asking for longer and longer breaks in between seasons which also frustrated me because

[02:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: you're looking sometimes at you know 13 14 15 months in between the end of one season

[02:25:39] [SPEAKER_01]: in the beginning of another uh so but they needed that time to try to get stories together

[02:25:44] [SPEAKER_01]: that made sense so that brings me to season six which after rewatching the whole series

[02:25:51] [SPEAKER_01]: one time and then going back and rewatching season six a second time i actually believe

[02:25:57] [SPEAKER_01]: season six may be my favorite season of the show even more than season one which was brilliant

[02:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and i like the idea of that and i'll tell you well let me just real quickly because we're

[02:26:08] [SPEAKER_01]: going to head down the path of 10 minutes but i let me just really quickly say this

[02:26:12] [SPEAKER_01]: the story while it had a maze of

[02:26:19] [SPEAKER_01]: questions and less of a concrete tablet of answers we got missed i think a lot when you

[02:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: were watching it week by week and then having these giant gaps in between seasons was that

[02:26:31] [SPEAKER_01]: the show really at its core was a look at human nature a look at the flaws in people it really

[02:26:38] [SPEAKER_01]: was a character driven show by these amazing amazing actors but i haven't even talked about yet

[02:26:46] [SPEAKER_01]: season six almost gets rid of a lot of the question asking we still get some

[02:26:53] [SPEAKER_01]: but as they start to answer some of the questions that we're looking for them to answer

[02:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: we get to see the people stand out first um we get to see maybe not as much as i wanted

[02:27:04] [SPEAKER_01]: son and jen's story kind of come complete and we get to see their love we get to see

[02:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: soyer you know get to work out his anger and his sadness at losing juliet but being able to love

[02:27:19] [SPEAKER_01]: juliet to begin with we get to see jack and and chris and i hear your hate for him and i totally

[02:27:24] [SPEAKER_01]: understand it and you know i mean we can magnify flaws of people on the tv show all we want but

[02:27:29] [SPEAKER_01]: the reason why i i hate it's not the right word for jack because i think you look at somebody like

[02:27:36] [SPEAKER_01]: jack who i think feels this idiotic obligation that people sometimes just don't want anything to

[02:27:43] [SPEAKER_01]: do with but he kind of forces it upon them anyways to be helpful and i think as a teacher sometimes

[02:27:51] [SPEAKER_01]: i often feel obligated and maybe it's just my human nature to help people

[02:27:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and at times when i feel like it's doing a good thing often i have to take a step back and realize

[02:28:02] [SPEAKER_01]: that maybe this isn't where i need to put my foot forward maybe i just need to play back

[02:28:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and jack is not good at that in a horrible way throughout the first five seasons but in season

[02:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: six we finally get to see him acknowledge all of these other characters and we get to see him

[02:28:24] [SPEAKER_01]: realize that he has moments where he should step forward but until those moments perhaps it's

[02:28:34] [SPEAKER_01]: fair to lean on everyone else they landed this this show so well so often i think six feet under

[02:28:43] [SPEAKER_01]: is my favorite season finale of all time it's not seeing that show the series finale for that

[02:28:50] [SPEAKER_01]: is spectacular but having watched this now three times the series finale i have to tell you the beauty

[02:28:58] [SPEAKER_01]: of watching these two stories this the flash sideways and the current day stories being told

[02:29:05] [SPEAKER_01]: rare can you do something like that and care about both of those stories so much i found myself

[02:29:11] [SPEAKER_01]: so into a flash sideways that i didn't care about what was happening in the present which was

[02:29:16] [SPEAKER_01]: you know this dramatic you know are they going to save the island or not save the island and

[02:29:22] [SPEAKER_01]: they landed it i think so beautifully what happened with the island what happened with jack

[02:29:29] [SPEAKER_01]: what happened with all of our amazing characters that i just got to say it was an amazing rewatch

[02:29:36] [SPEAKER_01]: the fantastic series finale i'm so glad that you guys covered it even though i got to it really

[02:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: late and now closing in on 10 minutes again so i'm going to go ahead and stop i don't know if

[02:29:46] [SPEAKER_01]: this is going to get put on or not but i do just want to say i appreciate all that you've done lost

[02:29:51] [SPEAKER_01]: is awesome i can't wait for ted lasso i'm going to call in a lot more for that so i don't have

[02:29:55] [SPEAKER_01]: to leave at nine minute and 25 second voice memo all right um great job guys and i look forward

[02:30:03] [SPEAKER_01]: to man in charge and i look forward to ted lasso peace that was great that was great uh i loved

[02:30:12] [SPEAKER_06]: that i i actually took notes while he was talking um i thought it was really funny that

[02:30:17] [SPEAKER_06]: jim that you said that they extended a show that they didn't want to extend and you had to wait

[02:30:22] [SPEAKER_06]: 13 or 15 months between seasons because oh my gosh like waiting for stranger things is

[02:30:27] [SPEAKER_06]: like the bane of my existence right now and it's just so funny that you know here we are

[02:30:33] [SPEAKER_06]: all these years later and now it's expected to wait at least a year for another season of

[02:30:40] [SPEAKER_06]: quality television which i don't think that we had a decade ago you know it was like put it out put

[02:30:46] [SPEAKER_10]: it out put it out put it out well the the extended time that we had to wait was i think between

[02:30:50] [SPEAKER_10]: seasons three and four because at that time which is something that we are going through

[02:30:54] [SPEAKER_10]: currently right now was a writer strike which ruined a lot of shows and we're going to and

[02:31:02] [SPEAKER_10]: we're going to well heroes ruined itself um but you know one of the seasons of loss had

[02:31:09] [SPEAKER_10]: to be cut short uh and then we had an extended wait before the show returned because of the writer

[02:31:14] [SPEAKER_10]: strike and now not only are we having an extended writer strike we have an actor strike going on at

[02:31:21] [SPEAKER_10]: the same time uh so a lot of the things that we experience and the frustration that we experienced

[02:31:26] [SPEAKER_10]: with lost back then we are going to experience again but not just with one show or two or

[02:31:35] [SPEAKER_10]: three shows it is with the extent of everything happening right now yeah um stranger things

[02:31:41] [SPEAKER_10]: cober chi marvel films like it doesn't like everything is going to be severance and there are

[02:31:49] [SPEAKER_10]: some shows that unfortunately will not survive it yeah um good shows quality shows shows that

[02:31:57] [SPEAKER_06]: should be able to um survive it so yeah um and then he also talked about uh his favorite season

[02:32:05] [SPEAKER_06]: or series finales and um well lost is definitely up there for me especially after doing this podcast

[02:32:12] [SPEAKER_06]: i made like a little list of my favorite series finales uh other than lost are the office

[02:32:18] [SPEAKER_06]: ted lasso and big bang theory i think that all three of those shows nailed their ending i will

[02:32:24] [SPEAKER_10]: also throw in breaking bad um okay i think the breaking bad series finale was amazing i did

[02:32:31] [SPEAKER_06]: not enjoy that show so i'll add it to the list because i know a lot of people feel that way

[02:32:35] [SPEAKER_10]: and i think parks and rec also is probably a great series finale parks and rec what yes parks and rec

[02:32:42] [SPEAKER_06]: is up there for and what's funny is that the office and parks and rec are both uh ran by

[02:32:48] [SPEAKER_06]: the same person mo's from from the office and then the best series finale or season finale that i

[02:32:55] [SPEAKER_06]: think i've ever seen ever is the season one severance season finale my hair was on fire at the end

[02:33:04] [SPEAKER_06]: of that like i like dav was just not into the show at all for like the first half of this

[02:33:09] [SPEAKER_06]: of the season i'm like well we're gonna keep watching it gets better it got better

[02:33:13] [SPEAKER_06]: and better and better and then the season finale as soon as it was over dav goes that's

[02:33:17] [SPEAKER_06]: the best one i've ever seen holy shit like we went from indifferent about the show to where the

[02:33:24] [SPEAKER_10]: fuck is the next season well i want to make quick mention too that you know jim as jason did mentioned

[02:33:29] [SPEAKER_10]: that six feet under is one of the greatest series ever seen i never saw either i've never seen it

[02:33:36] [SPEAKER_10]: but hearing now two people mention it in the same episode of the podcast i'm kind of like well

[02:33:40] [SPEAKER_10]: maybe i have to add that show to my list um but as far as season finales go another podcast

[02:33:46] [SPEAKER_10]: called why haven't you seen that we're kind of doing that with movie swap over on willhelm it's

[02:33:52] [SPEAKER_10]: kind of fun but another i'll throw in another season finale and then we'll move on to the next

[02:33:56] [SPEAKER_10]: voicemail i'll throw in there as a contender of one of the best series season finales have ever

[02:34:01] [SPEAKER_10]: seen just because of how much it how emotional it made me as a pop culture nerd is season two

[02:34:08] [SPEAKER_06]: finale of the mandalorian when luke shows up oh yeah i hated that so i'm glad that you liked it

[02:34:15] [SPEAKER_06]: oh i was i was balling like an eight-year-old boy no dav was equally excited and i sat there i was like

[02:34:22] [SPEAKER_06]: really really this this sucks and we got to see pago well yeah okay and that's always wonderful

[02:34:29] [SPEAKER_10]: mando and mando and grogu saying goodbye come on that never needed to happen is my point

[02:34:37] [SPEAKER_06]: and it gets undone they end up finding each other again yeah it so whatever anyways the season two

[02:34:44] [SPEAKER_10]: finale of schitt's creek is also very good i will give the series finale of schitt's creek also on

[02:34:50] [SPEAKER_06]: that list every episode of schitt's creek is gold every episode i meant to make i meant to say

[02:34:55] [SPEAKER_10]: this earlier too but how you said you've never re like watched a series and then immediately jumped

[02:35:01] [SPEAKER_06]: back into it i did that with schitt's creek oh that must have been like getting the bends

[02:35:07] [SPEAKER_10]: because they are so different yeah

[02:35:11] [SPEAKER_10]: they are they are so different by the end but that series finale i actually the last

[02:35:22] [SPEAKER_10]: three or four episodes of that series i was balling every episode until the finale and then

[02:35:30] [SPEAKER_10]: i was like oh i can't do this and i started late with schitt's creek i did too i started after it

[02:35:36] [SPEAKER_10]: stopped i started right as the fifth right as they were going into the final season i started

[02:35:42] [SPEAKER_06]: okay yeah i didn't start until yeah until after the show was over you know it was just like one

[02:35:48] [SPEAKER_06]: of those shows where everybody said was good i'm like i'll get to it i'll get to it i'll get

[02:35:51] [SPEAKER_06]: to it that's how i was too and then i kind of got like oh a series finale justified holy

[02:35:58] [SPEAKER_06]: i'm working to i'm working too oh my gosh that was david and i david and i quote the final line

[02:36:07] [SPEAKER_10]: of that episode all the time well good now that once once i finish it i will text you that line so

[02:36:15] [SPEAKER_10]: you know i'm done i can't wait that's how you will know i am done my watch my first

[02:36:21] [SPEAKER_10]: watch that's what i want to do after lasso so better be done i have a i have a couple things

[02:36:26] [SPEAKER_10]: i can't do that because i'm just watching it now we just watched head lasso

[02:36:31] [SPEAKER_10]: months ago anyways we'll figure it out we're getting ahead of ourselves let's go to the next

[02:36:37] [SPEAKER_10]: piece of feedback uh so this one comes from our friend jason from san jose who has actually been

[02:36:43] [SPEAKER_10]: very vocal over the last uh number of episodes of this podcast which we're incredibly grateful for

[02:36:50] [SPEAKER_10]: he did tell me how did he put it in his in his email he says uh here is my audio feedback slash

[02:36:59] [SPEAKER_10]: mini podcast for the end spoiler alert there might be tears ahead so let's just go ahead and play this

[02:37:08] [SPEAKER_10]: now this is our voicemail from jason well he starts it with the with the overduced

[02:37:17] [SPEAKER_10]: we've said that a number of times he produces his voice

[02:37:21] [SPEAKER_07]: step up your game people hi ben and christin this is jason in san jose and since i was busy editing

[02:37:28] [SPEAKER_07]: a podcast episode last week i didn't get the chance to leave feedback for what they died for

[02:37:33] [SPEAKER_07]: i thought it was a great lead-up to the end and i did notice two mirror moments in that episode

[02:37:40] [SPEAKER_07]: jack checking out his bleeding neck again and ben in the nurse's office even though he really

[02:37:47] [SPEAKER_07]: didn't deserve it it's always fun seeing ben getting beaten up you did mention that michael

[02:37:53] [SPEAKER_07]: emerson's black eye can be seen in the flash sideways and on the island which was caused by

[02:38:00] [SPEAKER_07]: henry in qsik accidentally hitting him during one of the takes there are some behind the scenes

[02:38:06] [SPEAKER_07]: interviews with michael emerson on the dvds where you can actually really see his shinor

[02:38:13] [SPEAKER_07]: also in this episode i absolutely love seeing russo again as well as anna lucia

[02:38:20] [SPEAKER_07]: well we're finally at the end this is my favorite episode of season six

[02:38:27] [SPEAKER_07]: and in my top five of the series i've watched this at least 10 times and it makes me cry

[02:38:34] [SPEAKER_07]: each and every time there's too much to cover that happened in this episode but i did want

[02:38:39] [SPEAKER_07]: to hit some highlights the intro montage with michael geokino's beautiful piece moving on was a

[02:38:47] [SPEAKER_07]: great way to start the episode and i love how this piece incorporated a lot of themes throughout

[02:39:03] [SPEAKER_07]: the series into it including the oceanic 815 theme and of course the life and death theme i did notice

[02:39:13] [SPEAKER_07]: another mirror moment during the montage with soya looking at the broken mirror and i could tell just

[02:39:20] [SPEAKER_07]: by the beginning here that this would be another emotional watch for me all of the wake up moments

[02:39:27] [SPEAKER_07]: made me tear up when this first aired and this time i felt quite emotional throughout the whole

[02:39:33] [SPEAKER_07]: episode i loved the sun jinn and juliette scene which definitely had the tears flowing but also

[02:39:40] [SPEAKER_07]: had the eventual humorous look at soya detective love that the moment the moment with kate

[02:39:50] [SPEAKER_07]: charlie and claire has made me cry each time i've seen it in fact just talking about it is

[02:39:56] [SPEAKER_07]: actually making me tear up anyway i remember the jack attack jump in the air in his fight with lock

[02:40:03] [SPEAKER_07]: cutting to a commercial when it first aired i just bet everyone watching at that moment

[02:40:09] [SPEAKER_07]: yelled out like i did what no so like many the scene with jack and christian in the church

[02:40:17] [SPEAKER_07]: is my favorite part of the whole episode it took me a while to wrap my head around what

[02:40:22] [SPEAKER_07]: the sideways world actually was and i must have watched the scene at least 20 times the combination

[02:40:29] [SPEAKER_07]: of the church scene jack closing his eye with vincent next to him was just a perfect way to

[02:40:37] [SPEAKER_07]: end lost when it first aired i was grateful to have the jim and kimmel live show on afterwards

[02:40:44] [SPEAKER_07]: to ease my emotions i remember that and if you haven't seen that i believe it is on youtube

[02:40:50] [SPEAKER_07]: quite emotional but very funny and i have mentioned on previous episodes of this podcast that i wrote

[02:40:57] [SPEAKER_07]: a review of the lost finale for my 12th step program a few days after the finale aired i've read this

[02:41:07] [SPEAKER_07]: on a few other lost podcasts as well as the sex addicts recovery podcast that i host and produce

[02:41:14] [SPEAKER_07]: on the episode that i talked about how lost has been a part of my recovery and i would love to

[02:41:21] [SPEAKER_07]: read that here as well it's a month after the lost finale titled the end and i'm still trying to

[02:41:29] [SPEAKER_07]: wrap my head around the experience that was lost i will try not to give away large

[02:41:35] [SPEAKER_07]: spoilers for those who still want to watch the series the tear jerking spiritual ending

[02:41:40] [SPEAKER_07]: of the finale has really divided the fan community those who wanted concrete answers

[02:41:46] [SPEAKER_07]: and those like myself enjoyed the ambiguous ending that was open to interpretation by the viewer

[02:41:54] [SPEAKER_07]: i see a 12 step angle on the show people in various religions can find their own parallels

[02:42:01] [SPEAKER_07]: sci-fi fans can find a sci-fi angle as well for me it was the journey not the destination

[02:42:08] [SPEAKER_07]: of lost that allured me not just a show about plain crash survivors on a mysterious island

[02:42:15] [SPEAKER_07]: lost delved into the realms of science faith philosophy music literature history and science

[02:42:22] [SPEAKER_07]: fiction as well as many pop culture references you got to love a show that regularly references

[02:42:28] [SPEAKER_07]: the bible star wars steven king and steven hawking there have been many recurring themes

[02:42:34] [SPEAKER_07]: in lost science versus faith destiny versus free will the ambiguity of good and evil each of these

[02:42:43] [SPEAKER_07]: characters were lost in their lives needing to confront their various defects and correct the

[02:42:48] [SPEAKER_07]: problems of the past when lost first aired september 22nd 2004 i had an immediate connection

[02:42:56] [SPEAKER_07]: with charlie not only due to the actors connections with lord of the rings but also as an addict

[02:43:04] [SPEAKER_07]: needing to kick his addiction the island provided him an opportunity to rid his stash only to find

[02:43:11] [SPEAKER_07]: more i was rooting for him knowing the same things have happened to me in my recovery

[02:43:18] [SPEAKER_07]: my favorite character on the show was john lock a tragic character with a sense of faith of an

[02:43:23] [SPEAKER_07]: unknown purpose throughout the seasons his faith in the island would wax and wane season one

[02:43:29] [SPEAKER_07]: lock was my favorite though his season six dark incarnation was fun to watch in the first season

[02:43:36] [SPEAKER_07]: he helped charlie kick his heroin addiction in an episode called the moth i've talked about one of

[02:43:43] [SPEAKER_07]: the scenes from this episode at my meetings where lock shows charlie who wants his drug back

[02:43:49] [SPEAKER_07]: from lock a moth that he could help out of his cocoon but it would be too weak to survive on

[02:43:56] [SPEAKER_07]: its own i love the analogy of the moth to helping charlie get his fix but in doing so would make him

[02:44:03] [SPEAKER_07]: weak and unable to survive in the long run although lock was my favorite character jack's journey from

[02:44:11] [SPEAKER_07]: a man of science to a man of faith really got to me in the end jack has to be one of the most

[02:44:18] [SPEAKER_07]: stubborn characters on the show he just can't let anything go and always has to fix something

[02:44:26] [SPEAKER_07]: the season two opener titled man of science man of faith seems to be referring to the rift

[02:44:32] [SPEAKER_07]: between jack and lock but the writers actually said it referred to the beginning of jack's journey

[02:44:38] [SPEAKER_07]: which finally culminated in the finale as a man of science when i entered the rooms of sa i could

[02:44:45] [SPEAKER_07]: not see a spiritual path in my future i fought the whole god thing for a few years until i took

[02:44:51] [SPEAKER_07]: a leap of faith got a sponsor and started working the steps i've had many stumbling blocks along the

[02:44:57] [SPEAKER_07]: way taking back my will from time to time but i can always come back to step three and surrender

[02:45:04] [SPEAKER_07]: although i had tears in my eyes throughout the finale the message that made me absolutely

[02:45:09] [SPEAKER_07]: lose it was jack's moment of realization let go i'm out of thoughts for right now and i can't

[02:45:16] [SPEAKER_07]: wait to rewatch the entire series and so yeah that's what i wrote back in 2010 and just thinking of

[02:45:25] [SPEAKER_07]: that church scene and what i wrote there i've done many rewatches of the show since then

[02:45:30] [SPEAKER_07]: and i was just finishing another lost rewatch in march of 2021 along with the storm podcast

[02:45:38] [SPEAKER_07]: and at that time my program had a retreat on zoom and i remember sharing with the entire group

[02:45:46] [SPEAKER_02]: christians words the most important part of your life was the time that you spent with these people

[02:45:55] [SPEAKER_02]: that's why all of you are here nobody does the loan jack

[02:46:01] [SPEAKER_02]: you needed all of them and they needed you for what to remember and to let go

[02:46:21] [SPEAKER_07]: who just listening to that is making me emotional again these people have been an important part

[02:46:27] [SPEAKER_07]: of my life in recovery for the past 20 years i also think about this speech reaching out to the lost

[02:46:33] [SPEAKER_07]: community discovering friendships through watching this amazing show i have some other thoughts

[02:46:40] [SPEAKER_07]: that i hope to share on the new man in charge episode and then on to ted lasso until then

[02:46:49] [SPEAKER_07]: this has been jason in san osa namaste and ps i don't believe in much but i do believe in duct tape

[02:47:00] [SPEAKER_06]: oh my god lee i love him there's also one more mirror that you uh that you forgot because it was

[02:47:06] [SPEAKER_06]: the only one i noticed was a Sawyer reflection in the vending machine oh yeah right before his

[02:47:15] [SPEAKER_06]: enlightenment he was literally the only one i noticed the whole time i was waiting when he goes

[02:47:20] [SPEAKER_06]: oh and Sawyer's i go he's gonna say it and he said reflection in the mirror something i go no he didn't

[02:47:26] [SPEAKER_10]: say it um i i just want to say too i want to say thank you to jason for being very open

[02:47:35] [SPEAKER_10]: about his addiction and what it is what this show has meant to him in regards to that um

[02:47:42] [SPEAKER_10]: we're very appreciative of of you being able to share that and willing to share that

[02:47:48] [SPEAKER_10]: not only with us but in your voicemails that gets shared to everybody who's listening

[02:47:54] [SPEAKER_10]: so i hope other people have taken from that as well and can be appreciative of that

[02:47:59] [SPEAKER_06]: i agree making yourself vulnerable on this type of a platform is very difficult to do so thank you

[02:48:05] [SPEAKER_10]: yeah exactly so thank you for that jason um and rereading that original review was fantastic too

[02:48:12] [SPEAKER_10]: you know i think it was just as poignant then as it is now thank you for not adding lost music to it

[02:48:18] [SPEAKER_06]: while you read it because it would have been a little too much well that was well that was one

[02:48:23] [SPEAKER_10]: of my other two notes i have from his um i love the fact that the the show itself and watching

[02:48:29] [SPEAKER_10]: the show he mentioned that to him the show was all more about the journey and not the destination

[02:48:35] [SPEAKER_10]: yes which i thought was a great way to put it in regards to this and if more people took

[02:48:42] [SPEAKER_10]: that aspect in watching they wouldn't have been as disappointed that some questions didn't get

[02:48:46] [SPEAKER_10]: answered in the end right because it is more about as i mentioned earlier it is more about the characters

[02:48:53] [SPEAKER_10]: playing that clip from christian uh is a great way to bookend this because anybody listening

[02:48:58] [SPEAKER_10]: knows that's the clip you heard at the opening of the podcast because i use the same thing for

[02:49:03] [SPEAKER_10]: the opening so this is the second time you're hearing it and that's totally fine because

[02:49:07] [SPEAKER_10]: it's a good way to close close out things um and lastly my final notes we've mentioned him a number

[02:49:14] [SPEAKER_10]: of times and i know jason has as well but i don't think he's given enough credit michael jackino

[02:49:20] [SPEAKER_10]: as the person who wrote the score for the entire series for the composer of the music to lost

[02:49:29] [SPEAKER_10]: is he's amazing and he has gone on to do so many other projects from the mission impossible

[02:49:37] [SPEAKER_10]: franchise to marvel films to disney pixar films like he has done so many projects since lost

[02:49:46] [SPEAKER_10]: and he's i don't think he gets enough credit he did a beautiful job on

[02:49:55] [SPEAKER_06]: on lost beautiful like there's there's very little music that comes from lost that doesn't evoke some

[02:50:02] [SPEAKER_10]: sort of emotion he's it's very very well done there is there is a so back in march of 2016

[02:50:10] [SPEAKER_10]: um they did a there was a two day lost reunion in LA it was um the 12th anniversary reunion

[02:50:18] [SPEAKER_10]: concert it was a two-day concert conducted by michael jackino with all of the original

[02:50:24] [SPEAKER_10]: musicians that scored the show um and they had a number of special guests uh kevin durand who played

[02:50:31] [SPEAKER_10]: keemey uh was there mirah furlin was there josh halloween or jorhey garcia both showed up as well

[02:50:37] [SPEAKER_10]: it has not been put on cd i don't know if it's on spotify and it hasn't been put out on dvd

[02:50:44] [SPEAKER_10]: however mando which is a company that produces vinyl did release a three lp vinyl set of the

[02:50:53] [SPEAKER_10]: concert oh it is sold out on mando has been sold out for a long time however a website that i use

[02:51:01] [SPEAKER_10]: called discogs um that i use to get vinyl uh has it it has been sitting in my shopping cart for a

[02:51:08] [SPEAKER_10]: year now nobody has bought it uh the only reason i haven't is because with shipping it's like 85

[02:51:15] [SPEAKER_10]: dollars wow so i think it might finally be time to pull the trigger and get that album

[02:51:22] [SPEAKER_10]: before somebody else does so uh but thank you again jason for yes thank you jason thank you

[02:51:30] [SPEAKER_10]: not just for that but all the voicemails you have left over the time yes 100 but that leaves us to

[02:51:36] [SPEAKER_10]: the final piece of feedback for the finale we we saved it to the end only because he's been with

[02:51:41] [SPEAKER_10]: us since the beginning uh and that there's our voicemail from our friend steve so let us play

[02:51:47] [SPEAKER_08]: that now i haven't even finished listening to the episode yet and have sort of watched the end but

[02:51:54] [SPEAKER_08]: my else has the diamonds okay i don't remember what prompted that but hello ben and christin this is

[02:52:00] [SPEAKER_08]: steven here we go for the finale okay i don't remember anything about this coffin huh i just

[02:52:04] [SPEAKER_08]: caught that christian shepherd that's weird of course thing yoda who another star wars

[02:52:09] [SPEAKER_08]: reference i got a bad feeling about this oh rose uh and bernard all the island people

[02:52:16] [SPEAKER_08]: oh okay so detective myles saw uh saeed and now he's called jim and jim jim jim it's a weird

[02:52:24] [SPEAKER_08]: calling jim is going to the hospital of course juliet oh oh and of course they speak english now

[02:52:30] [SPEAKER_08]: because they remember and juliet is walking out juliet is david's mom so desmond is getting tied up to

[02:52:39] [SPEAKER_08]: going to the light um and he is living in both the sideways flashes and in this right

[02:52:46] [SPEAKER_08]: oh and so you just saved shannon so we didn't see boon waking up uh either but we know he did i guess

[02:52:52] [SPEAKER_08]: okay desmond pulled the cork out and now oh what's happening now it was cake and deliver claire's

[02:52:59] [SPEAKER_08]: baby again and that's how they're gonna remember oh and charlie and claire oh this is gonna be a

[02:53:08] [SPEAKER_08]: very tearful couple episodes here i'm watching on hulu so the end of part one is jack doing that

[02:53:13] [SPEAKER_08]: superhero leap with his fist up in the air and locks running out with a knife who part two is

[02:53:18] [SPEAKER_08]: gonna be good oh and lock just stabbed jack in the side with the knife oh but i know who wins

[02:53:26] [SPEAKER_08]: and kate just shot lock in the back i think he all talked about this last week but i don't

[02:53:32] [SPEAKER_08]: remember it oh wow so john remembers but jack doesn't yet you go you think i'm going down that no way

[02:53:40] [SPEAKER_08]: i'm with you dude love it did so you're just calling pete is chesty juliet and so here

[02:53:47] [SPEAKER_08]: they just touched and they got they both are remembering at the same time

[02:53:51] [SPEAKER_08]: cake does look good in that dress it's strapless oh there it is the now you're like me after he

[02:53:56] [SPEAKER_08]: drinks the communion okay so jack's gonna put the cork back in but where's desmond now

[02:54:01] [SPEAKER_08]: so you're just called him enus miles as they came into the plane he just called miles enus

[02:54:06] [SPEAKER_08]: okay so they pulled desmond up out of the the hole but where's jack now

[02:54:10] [SPEAKER_08]: again just keep asking questions so now here hurley gets to make the the choices the decisions

[02:54:15] [SPEAKER_08]: about how to run the island i like it so it's not ben's time to enter the church

[02:54:22] [SPEAKER_08]: he's gonna wait outside hey back on the island jack is uh oh he's in the pool where he woke up

[02:54:28] [SPEAKER_08]: the both times when the plane crashed is it's the same place he woke up at

[02:54:32] [SPEAKER_08]: who touching the coffin is what is bringing back jack's memories now looks like words about our

[02:54:37] [SPEAKER_08]: are in the church oh in case not in the dressing anymore either so this does i guess they are

[02:54:43] [SPEAKER_08]: moving on there's they got here at different times just like the show started with vincent

[02:54:49] [SPEAKER_08]: finding jack in the jungle we see vincent finding jack in the jungle lying on his back

[02:54:58] [SPEAKER_08]: it's a baby there though in the church well and that's it um looking forward to ted lasso

[02:55:03] [SPEAKER_08]: it's gonna be a little interesting because it's just rewatched it a few months ago you know when

[02:55:08] [SPEAKER_08]: the third season aired so uh the first and second season at least i haven't rewatched the third

[02:55:12] [SPEAKER_08]: season yet so it's uh it's gonna be interesting talk to you later it's always great hearing from

[02:55:20] [SPEAKER_06]: steve i i love it you know and it was just here we are at the last episode and i and now i'm

[02:55:27] [SPEAKER_06]: thinking gosh it would have been so nice to open the podcast with a live steving and then go into our

[02:55:32] [SPEAKER_10]: own like oh yeah that could have been fun right no oh well you know what i mean because he's so good

[02:55:42] [SPEAKER_06]: at recapping the whole episode with his thoughts i love your let me try it for ted lasso see it

[02:55:49] [SPEAKER_10]: maybe i'd love hearing him get emotional too i think well and the most emotional part i mean

[02:55:55] [SPEAKER_06]: is claire giving birth again because it's like we're all brought back to that moment because we it's

[02:56:02] [SPEAKER_10]: such a defining moment of the show i i told you like when we like there are a number of points

[02:56:09] [SPEAKER_10]: of that there are five points in that episode that got me and it wasn't and again in that scene

[02:56:16] [SPEAKER_10]: it wasn't even kate helping claire give birth to aran it was charlie charlie's what broke me

[02:56:23] [SPEAKER_06]: in that scene charlie and claire i think i would have been a little bit more emotional with charlie

[02:56:31] [SPEAKER_06]: had i not known that he'd been on this like serious drinking bender for the entire time

[02:56:36] [SPEAKER_06]: that we've seen him until then i don't know if that makes sense but i'm like dude you're like

[02:56:42] [SPEAKER_06]: killing yourself right now and you have something to really look forward to so can you clean it

[02:56:45] [SPEAKER_06]: up a little bit maybe no that was just me though i know that i'm like in the morning

[02:56:51] [SPEAKER_10]: and jinn and sun's enlightenment also pretty much broke me i know i know that the stars

[02:56:57] [SPEAKER_10]: but i want to say you know all the episodes we've done have lost thank you to anybody who's ever left

[02:57:10] [SPEAKER_10]: us feedback over the course of this entire journey thank you to everybody for listening

[02:57:16] [SPEAKER_06]: um you know we took a very uh lost frame of mind apparently you know they stopped and started a few

[02:57:22] [SPEAKER_06]: times and so did we so you know we were just going with the vibe of the podcast of the original show

[02:57:28] [SPEAKER_10]: that's true we just we had our own little quote on quote strike it was called the pandemic

[02:57:37] [SPEAKER_10]: that kind of took us away from it for a little while but we came back and we stuck with it now

[02:57:42] [SPEAKER_10]: to the or to the end of this and i know there are a lot of people that are excited about ted lasso

[02:57:52] [SPEAKER_10]: being the next show that we start we hope all of you guys are with us on that

[02:57:59] [SPEAKER_10]: so as far as feedback goes we are going to release a little bit of a bonus episode we're

[02:58:05] [SPEAKER_10]: going to cover new man in charge we're not going to do any feedback for that we're just

[02:58:08] [SPEAKER_10]: that's going to be very quick sorry jason yeah sorry it's only an 11 minute short so we're

[02:58:14] [SPEAKER_10]: going to just kind of push through it give our thoughts about that you'll get that actually

[02:58:18] [SPEAKER_10]: in probably a couple days after hearing this um actually no you know what it'll be next week

[02:58:24] [SPEAKER_10]: it could be for our our yeah yeah it'll be you'll hear it next our next episode will be

[02:58:29] [SPEAKER_10]: new man in charge it's gonna be very quick because this is being a serious finale covering

[02:58:33] [SPEAKER_10]: two episodes is a much longer episode than we usually it's looking like it's a three hour episode

[02:58:39] [SPEAKER_06]: and i apologize for anybody that thinks that that's too long yeah pretty much um so and i apologize

[02:58:47] [SPEAKER_10]: for that as well so as far as feedback goes uh if you would like to leave us feedback and we'll

[02:58:53] [SPEAKER_10]: mention this again on the new man in charge bonus episode but if you want to leave us um

[02:58:58] [SPEAKER_10]: feedback uh it will be for episode one season one of ted lasso that's crazy uh yeah that's crazy if

[02:59:08] [SPEAKER_10]: this is your first time watching we encourage you like let us know your thoughts on that pilot and

[02:59:14] [SPEAKER_10]: what you're looking forward to at the show if this is a rewatch let us know what you loved about

[02:59:19] [SPEAKER_10]: that pilot let us know what you're looking forward to hearing maybe since it's so fresh we'll

[02:59:23] [SPEAKER_06]: divide it up into like like how we did with house of the dragon we would talk about the episode and

[02:59:30] [SPEAKER_06]: then we would say okay now we're going to talk about book talk you know and then that would go

[02:59:35] [SPEAKER_06]: into spoiler version that way if it's your first time going through ted lasso and you're bugged

[02:59:41] [SPEAKER_06]: by spoilers maybe you would like that format maybe you want the same format that we've been doing

[02:59:46] [SPEAKER_06]: this whole time like i don't know i don't know what would be best well lost is such

[02:59:51] [SPEAKER_10]: was such a dynamic show and because there was so much involved that's kind of why we went into

[02:59:58] [SPEAKER_10]: spoilers i think maybe for ted lasso maybe we try and approach it as not spoilery as much as we

[03:00:06] [SPEAKER_10]: possibly can um you know and see how well we can do like we'll put the spoiler warning out there

[03:00:12] [SPEAKER_10]: but we're going to try our hardest to not spoil the show because there are so many great moments

[03:00:17] [SPEAKER_10]: from that series that we kind of especially if it's your first watch yeah we we don't want to ruin for

[03:00:24] [SPEAKER_06]: you yeah and maybe that's kind of the the take but if there's anything that we do want to talk about

[03:00:29] [SPEAKER_06]: like connections to spoilers or anything we can save that for after and well yeah and we'll we'll

[03:00:34] [SPEAKER_10]: let people know like yeah we'll we'll figure out what we're going to do we'll put maybe we'll

[03:00:40] [SPEAKER_10]: put like we'll put something in the show notes that from this point to this point is very

[03:00:44] [SPEAKER_10]: spoiler so skip to this point yeah um if you if you want to miss it so we'll take better notes

[03:00:49] [SPEAKER_10]: we'll take better attention pay better attention everything um so yeah feedback at uh revisited

[03:00:56] [SPEAKER_10]: pod.com best way to do it leave us an email or a voicemail let us know your thoughts on ted lasso

[03:01:02] [SPEAKER_10]: season one episode one the pilot especially if it's your first watch if this is your first

[03:01:08] [SPEAKER_10]: time going through it let us know exactly how you thought um recommendations before we get out of here

[03:01:14] [SPEAKER_10]: anything on your end that uh no i don't want to recommend my life is so boring right now

[03:01:22] [SPEAKER_06]: well you're back to work too i know my recommendation is that you don't work

[03:01:28] [SPEAKER_06]: don't do it just don't do it find a way find a way to get money other than the dead different

[03:01:34] [SPEAKER_06]: way don't go into education either they treat you like garbage i will the only recommendation i will

[03:01:40] [SPEAKER_10]: make is actually something i don't know if everybody's going to be what be able to watch because it's

[03:01:43] [SPEAKER_10]: kind of hard to find um but i was talking to you about this i'm a big fan of gordon ramsey

[03:01:49] [SPEAKER_10]: so i like watching like hell's kitchen kitchen nightmares hotel hell like all the shows that

[03:01:55] [SPEAKER_10]: gordon does um i've recently discovered a trip a show called gordon geno and fred road trip

[03:02:03] [SPEAKER_10]: on the bbc and there's gordon ramsey geno de campa and fred i can't it's french fred yeah french fred

[03:02:11] [SPEAKER_10]: i can't pronounce this last name um but it's there's four seasons it's only 12 episodes total out of

[03:02:18] [SPEAKER_10]: all four seasons it's basically the three of them going and it's uncensored because it's bbc

[03:02:23] [SPEAKER_10]: going on all these different road trips to all these different countries and trying these

[03:02:27] [SPEAKER_10]: foods and experiences and it's hysterical i can't wait to watch it i'm really excited to watch it

[03:02:33] [SPEAKER_10]: geno himself is absolutely hysterical like it's so the three of them are hysterical so it should be

[03:02:38] [SPEAKER_10]: a good time if you can find it that is my recommendation is check out uh gordon geno and

[03:02:44] [SPEAKER_10]: fred road trip um last but not least before we get out of here uh revisited pod.com is where

[03:02:52] [SPEAKER_10]: you can go to find everything to subscribe be sure to check out podcastica thank you again to jason

[03:02:57] [SPEAKER_10]: for coming on podcastica.com yay and jason coming on to talk about everything on the finale but

[03:03:04] [SPEAKER_10]: i can't say rabbit hole oh yes we can because we still have one more time one more time uh thank

[03:03:12] [SPEAKER_10]: you guys so much for following along on this journey next episode will be the quick very

[03:03:16] [SPEAKER_10]: short bonus episode new man in charge but until next time see you guys further on down that

[03:03:21] [SPEAKER_10]: rabbit hole take care bye