[00:00:03] It's the next level
[00:00:05] I while occasions do inform against me, it's fair my goer Ben
[00:00:11] Oh from this time forth my thoughts be nagging of nothing worth
[00:00:15] By my strike, dead I will
[00:00:22] A very powerful kick
[00:00:28] Let's face this toy and die in eternal cell
[00:00:40] Open your arms
[00:00:46] Welcome to the final chapter of book one
[00:01:31] Of Still Afraid of the Dark from the next level podcast network
[00:01:36] From PC Primetime and obviously this show
[00:01:40] And also the caffeine crew cast of pods
[00:01:42] I am one of your hosts Rob Martin
[00:01:44] Joining me as always my co-host Ben Beck
[00:01:47] From the we still have no well this is Still Afraid of the Dark
[00:01:51] So not just from Still Afraid of the Dark
[00:01:54] But also from the we have to go back
[00:01:56] Lost for a visitor podcast and the spotlight podcast as well
[00:02:00] So yeah final chapter I'm excited and sad at the same time
[00:02:05] Yeah, this was a really really fun show to do this year
[00:02:08] And we've already 100% said this is definitely coming back next year
[00:02:13] We've already got it mapped
[00:02:14] We have half of more than half of this season for next year
[00:02:18] Completely mapped out
[00:02:20] But it's funny though too because you and I are just doing this one together to close this year out
[00:02:25] Because we figured it was best for us you and I on this one
[00:02:28] Because like I said it was funny because making a new show you never know what it's going to be
[00:02:32] Or how it's going to evolve, what it's going to be like any of those pieces until you actually do it
[00:02:37] I was really pleasantly surprised minus our first chapter audio glitches that we had
[00:02:42] But this was a really really fun show to do
[00:02:46] This was easily I think my favorite podcast I've done
[00:02:50] I agree, this has been a lot of fun just revisiting a lot of these movies
[00:02:55] Not just podcasting with you which is always a good time
[00:02:57] But some of the guests that we've brought on from your wife Kat
[00:03:02] Husband and wife Damon and Liz, our friend Jada, our friends Aaron and TJ
[00:03:07] We've had some great guests along the way while this one is just you and I
[00:03:11] But you know getting the opportunity to revisit all of these movies that we've talked about
[00:03:16] Tasting these drinks that you've come up with
[00:03:20] It's been a great combination that you've right, we didn't know what to expect
[00:03:24] But everything worked and worked well and it's just been a blast
[00:03:29] The only other thing I would say is it's relatively expensive to make
[00:03:34] And come up with nine signature cocktails
[00:03:38] That was a bit of a challenge I will say
[00:03:41] That was a really difficult challenge to come up with
[00:03:44] There was one or two of them I really kind of feel like
[00:03:47] I was bummed that I cheaped out on the Ghostbusters one as good as Aftercooler was
[00:03:53] It wasn't one of my own drinks so it's kind of like
[00:03:56] Next year though, next year
[00:03:57] But that was the only one that wasn't one of your own
[00:03:59] That was the only one but I know we're going to give ourselves a lot more time next year
[00:04:04] Next time it was a little tricky because you know we still obviously you know
[00:04:08] If people know us from any other shows they know that you and I as we even mentioned at the top of this
[00:04:13] We do a lot of podcasts, we're involved in a lot and October was tricky for us
[00:04:19] September and October was really intense because of this show because we were doing this
[00:04:24] It had to meet a goal to be out there each and every week
[00:04:27] You know especially because of the way we did it
[00:04:29] We were originally planning on starting much earlier
[00:04:32] Which did not work out. We had a couple delays here and there
[00:04:35] But we still managed to hit every episode and get them out relatively on time
[00:04:40] If it didn't drop on a Thursday, it dropped a Friday
[00:04:43] You know I know there's delays sometimes with some of the videos because there's a lot more involved in editing those verses
[00:04:48] It is doing audio editing so
[00:04:51] But the last couple of drink videos will all be up by Halloween night
[00:04:54] Like I said they are all shot
[00:04:56] So but like I said we really hope you enjoy them
[00:04:58] But because we're talking about drinks we have to talk about not only what the name of this chapter is
[00:05:03] But the drink from this chapter
[00:05:05] And we call this one the tale of the folks next door or the people next door
[00:05:10] I can't remember what we officially dubbed it
[00:05:12] But I think people next door was what we had originally
[00:05:15] Oh sorry it was the tale of the next door neighbors
[00:05:17] That's it, that's it
[00:05:19] Because we shot the video days ago and actually no it was a week ago
[00:05:23] So it's my brain is trying to play catch up
[00:05:26] Yeah
[00:05:27] So this drink based because what we're talking about is the Adams family and Adams family values
[00:05:32] Two of both Ben and I's favorite movies of all time
[00:05:35] Especially when it comes to Halloween and kind of Christmas and we'll talk about that
[00:05:39] Yeah
[00:05:40] But I can also say though this drink was probably one of the best
[00:05:44] So good
[00:05:45] This drink is called Wake the Dead
[00:05:48] And what we're gonna use to make this drink is you're going to need only a handful of things
[00:05:54] But those things are really specific
[00:05:56] So you want unsweetened cold brew coffee
[00:05:59] You'll use about three ounces of that
[00:06:01] Then you'll be moving on to using some rum chada
[00:06:04] There's multiple brands of rum chada but just again standard rum chada
[00:06:08] You're gonna use one ounce of rum chada
[00:06:11] Then take some rye whiskey one ounce of rye whiskey and then a half an ounce of maple syrup
[00:06:17] And make sure it's actual maple syrup
[00:06:19] Not like a Mrs. Butterworths or something that's got this butter flavor additive
[00:06:22] Actual real maple syrup preferably if it's cinnamon or vanilla flavored
[00:06:27] And a bonus if it is both like the one we use in making the drink
[00:06:32] So like I said you just kind of throw them all together into your traditional shaker
[00:06:37] Again, your three ounces of coffee
[00:06:40] One ounce rum chada, one ounce rye, half ounce with maple syrup
[00:06:43] Give it a good hard shake with plenty of ice
[00:06:46] And then you have an amazing kind of like after dinner cocktail
[00:06:50] That's awesome for just give you a little bit of a boost of some caffeine
[00:06:54] But it's a really nice buttery tasty flavor that goes down a little too easy
[00:07:00] So much so that, yeah, we've mentioned on another podcast that
[00:07:05] Not only did we drink it as you made them
[00:07:08] But we've had them again since
[00:07:12] Yes, several times now
[00:07:14] I've done it with board gaming, I've done it with when we were recording caffeine cruise
[00:07:18] Halloween episode all those things because that drink
[00:07:22] I can't stop drinking it's super good. It's really, really good
[00:07:26] One of those ones that you know through this adventure of these nine chapters
[00:07:30] We've constantly had new drinks that we were like this is the best one
[00:07:33] Now it's this one, now it's this one
[00:07:35] So I'm really happy to see that everybody's had such great reactions to
[00:07:40] The ones that have been made so far so that's awesome
[00:07:42] Yeah, it's been you know there's been a lot of drinks
[00:07:45] You know throughout the course of this as you mentioned and
[00:07:49] You know it's rightfully good that we kind of saved this one to the end
[00:07:53] Because it turned out to be one of my favorites as well
[00:07:55] So it's rather tasty
[00:07:57] I'm not even a big whiskey drink person
[00:08:00] But it was especially rye whiskey but it was really good, it's tasty
[00:08:05] Good, I'm glad you liked it
[00:08:08] So was that did that end up being your absolute favorite by the end?
[00:08:11] It's in my top two
[00:08:16] Well actually you know here's a good question for you
[00:08:19] Before we get into this because this is our final chapter
[00:08:21] I figure this gives us a good time to talk a little bit about what's come before this
[00:08:26] What's to come and then we can get into the final pieces since it's just you and I
[00:08:32] So what would you say are your top three drinks from this season?
[00:08:37] Oh man, you made it on a top three
[00:08:40] And you know what they're actually more recent ones
[00:08:43] My top three in no particular order obviously Wake the Dead is in my top three
[00:08:53] The God, Winifred Sanderson which was the apple drink
[00:08:57] I really really liked
[00:08:59] And you know what I really like the oogie boogie rum punch
[00:09:04] I thought that was tasty too
[00:09:08] Yeah, I'm gonna say probably for me it's gonna be the oogie boogie
[00:09:13] Which again that was a tricky one to make
[00:09:18] It was a lot more involved
[00:09:20] It took a lot of mental gymnastics of thinking of another drink that I had
[00:09:25] I even mentioned that in when we do that video of a drink I used to have in New Orleans
[00:09:30] A couple times now
[00:09:32] And they just don't give you those recipes so it was trying to kind of recreate it
[00:09:36] And kind of making our own twist on it
[00:09:38] And I think it turned out fantastic and especially with absent a lot of people were kind of like whoa
[00:09:43] That's a pungent taste but it works incredibly well
[00:09:47] But I would say that's definitely my top three
[00:09:49] The Vantazzle and I'm gonna say Wake the Dead was in there too
[00:09:53] For my top three
[00:09:55] But yeah, I'm really happy to see that so many people enjoyed so much of what we offered them this year
[00:10:03] Now I guess before we get to the final two films that we're gonna talk about
[00:10:07] We're now talking about 18 films in total during the course of this book
[00:10:13] Going back, what was one of your favorites to revisit?
[00:10:18] One that you forgot about a little bit more than the others
[00:10:21] You know, I've loved having guests on
[00:10:24] But I really enjoyed going back and talking about Young Frankenstein
[00:10:28] Again, because that was one that was a movie that I haven't watched in a while
[00:10:34] And I really enjoyed going back to and that was just that was a lot of fun
[00:10:39] I also really liked the episode the chapter The Tale of Jack
[00:10:43] Where we got to talk about both Goosebumps and House of the Clock and its Walls
[00:10:47] Because those were two movies that I sort of looked at as guilty pleasures
[00:10:52] Like I didn't know how many other movie how many other people would really enjoy those movies
[00:10:56] But finding a common ground in not just me and you but also David and Liz who were our guests in that episode
[00:11:02] In knowing that all four of us they were guilty pleasures for all of us
[00:11:06] And we all really enjoyed those movies
[00:11:08] Yeah, which was great. It was really cool
[00:11:10] And like I said, it was really funny that it was never intended for them to be on more than two episodes
[00:11:15] And they ended up being on a third of the show
[00:11:18] But like David they brought so much fun to doing this
[00:11:22] And it's their it was Liz's first foray into podcasting
[00:11:26] Damon wanting to get into it and do more
[00:11:29] And it was really great having them aboard for that
[00:11:31] But you're right, those were really fun ones
[00:11:33] But for me actually it was going back to probably watching Casper
[00:11:39] That's a fun one too
[00:11:40] It's been such a long time since I've seen that movie which was a blast
[00:11:44] And one of the other one too for me was Legend
[00:11:46] Even though we were very split on that one on that cast
[00:11:49] But I forgot how much I thoroughly enjoyed that movie and how creepy that movie still kind of remains to be
[00:11:56] But yeah, I was I thoroughly thoroughly enjoyed
[00:11:59] I think there was there was only one thing that for me that I did not give a trick or give a treat to
[00:12:06] That this entire season so it was kind of it was kind of nice going back and seeing so many things
[00:12:11] Now next year by on the other hand, we'll probably have quite a few that will show up as tricks versus
[00:12:17] Yeah, yeah exactly
[00:12:19] I mean and on that note since we're kind of reflecting do we kind of want to give a little bit of advanced review
[00:12:24] Advanced view as to a couple episodes we have planned for next season because like I said
[00:12:30] You know like we said at the top we kind of I think we have eight out of the nine planned already
[00:12:36] Yeah, yeah, we're getting there. We're definitely getting there and some of this we might tweak and kind of get in place
[00:12:42] We don't have you know chapter names or anything. Yeah, or drinks created like that
[00:12:46] Right, but I mean like I know like and in no particular order and how they're going to show up
[00:12:50] We're gonna be talking about a lot of stuff. I mean, I know we're gonna be going and doing
[00:12:54] Definitely something that's gonna be scoopy you oriented at certain points whether that be an animated specials here or there
[00:13:00] Or like the live action films like I said, that's there's a good mixture of what that could potentially be
[00:13:06] Maybe it's one in one. We know Coraline is going to be coming into the mix as well
[00:13:11] I mean the list just goes on and on. I know we're talking about doing what I think little monsters is gonna be in little monsters
[00:13:17] Beetlejuice Edward scissor hands, right? Yeah, and I think I think we're doing a musical
[00:13:23] Not as it really we are not singing but the two movies that we're doing
[00:13:28] Right musicals. We're doing a musical chapter
[00:13:30] That's a little shop of horrors and Sweeney Todd now we do know again some of the movies that we're gonna be talking about next year
[00:13:36] Gonna be a little bit more PG-13 we do we 100% know that and we'll put a little disclaimer in the beginning of those episodes
[00:13:41] But for the most part like I said, we're gonna stay far away from our rated things because again unfortunately
[00:13:47] There's only so many PG Halloween films that we knew we were gonna have to branch out if the show continued
[00:13:55] That but we will never go above that PG-13 rating so that way it can be still relatively family. Yeah, exactly
[00:14:02] And that's that still will be our continued goal throughout all of this
[00:14:07] But yeah, you know, I'm really looking forward to book two of this this podcast next year
[00:14:13] So yeah, and I'm excited to do that with you and hopefully have a couple of these people coming back
[00:14:18] We're already talked about wanting to start recording come June
[00:14:22] So we'll be long before we get back into the swing of this show
[00:14:24] Yeah, it's it's one of those things where we know like a lot of TV shows that do Christmas episodes
[00:14:28] They filmed those Christmas episodes in like June or July
[00:14:32] So we're taking the same effort and I know I think we had even talked about starting as early as like April May
[00:14:39] And we may that may be the case
[00:14:41] So where it's gonna be one of those situations where we're gonna have everything recorded
[00:14:45] And edited before the first episode even drops like it's gonna the whole season is gonna be done and in the can
[00:14:52] Before it even debuts so
[00:14:54] And and the last piece too is this so we did I know Ben did mention this last week
[00:14:59] The videos for all the drinks will be on YouTube as well
[00:15:03] So right now what is just getting through the the last couple things that need to be done
[00:15:07] But those will all have a permanent home on the next little page. Yep, absolutely
[00:15:10] Absolutely
[00:15:12] So do we do we want to get into this chapter? Yeah, let's do it. Let's what I'm gonna have you kick us off back going into
[00:15:20] 1991 with Adams family. Yeah, like director Barry Sonnenfeld
[00:15:26] Yeah, as you mentioned, you know, we're talking about the Adams family for for both films Adams family and Adams family values
[00:15:32] Two movies that were released relatively close to one another
[00:15:34] They only gave us about two years before finally giving us a sequel to the Adams family and almost to the day
[00:15:41] I mean November 22nd 1991 the Adams family had released and Adams family values November 19th in 93 so
[00:15:49] Just like two days short of two years, which you know November a good time to do it
[00:15:55] You know post Halloween but you know still it's November is a great time for new movie releases and the movies did very well
[00:16:04] In theaters us so much so that we again, we still love them to this day
[00:16:10] And what's interesting too about these films is you would think oh Halloween. Nope Adams family one Christmas movie Adams family values
[00:16:20] Thanksgiving movie. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you would think they would fall into that Halloween moniker
[00:16:26] Which they kind of do I mean it's it's not anything to say that they don't
[00:16:30] But you're right there are absolutely other holidays that are included in with those you know with everything that's going on
[00:16:38] You know it you guys you mentioned Christmas is a part of Adams family Adams family values not only you know Thanksgiving
[00:16:47] But it's confusing to me a little bit that there's a summer camp right before Thanksgiving but again it's something to overlook
[00:16:53] It has well it is a summer thing but they just do a show the play on that but it's so it kind of ties into all that
[00:17:02] Greated though too at the end of Adams family one we do have a Halloween scene though too so yeah, we do that's right
[00:17:08] Um, but yeah, I mean you talk about not only fun comedic
[00:17:14] Movies based on a beloved television series, but I mean you look at the cast of you know the people that are in this movie
[00:17:20] For the most part almost the entire cast is in both films, you know from Angelica Houston, Rawl Julia Christopher Lloyd
[00:17:29] Christina Ricci Jimmy workman and this is the third movie that we're talking about with Christina Ricci too
[00:17:37] Yeah, I was gonna say jokingly that this title is actually still afraid of Christina Ricci
[00:17:41] Exactly, you know, but the only person that really was different between the two movies was was Granny Adams
[00:17:51] But being played by the delightful Carol Kane in Adams family values so right but I mean even the supporting cast I mean you have Dan Hadea
[00:18:01] For that people know from
[00:18:04] And he's such a great character actor to begin with
[00:18:06] Yeah, I can't remember
[00:18:11] Dana Ivy I believe is the actress's name that played Margaret we see yeah, that's yep
[00:18:18] You know we see her reprise her role in in the sequel as well
[00:18:22] But I mean in addition I guess we're kind of probably gonna talk about these movies together
[00:18:27] Rather than separately but even if not you know, I mean we'll still talk about them on their own
[00:18:32] Like one film at a time because we're still gonna read them as as normally
[00:18:38] But I mean, you know, Joan Cusack as Debbie in out of suddenly values like man like what a god a fantastic addition to everything that was happening and what was going on with those films
[00:18:52] Oh, yeah, absolutely and again both of these movies are just so incredibly like this quotable and Peter McNichol to assist the blast Christina Baronski is too is just is awesome in that as family values like the cast and both of these films are just absolutely perfect
[00:19:08] Like I there is not any type of incorrect casting from start to finish on either of these films and that's rare to have casts those perfect in those spot on the last time I was on the show
[00:19:21] I felt this group about a cast was probably clue where not a weak not a weak link among anybody that's involved which which is rare
[00:19:31] It's incredibly incredibly rare. Well, you can't look at anybody. It was like that person shouldn't have been this character wouldn't have this person been that much better. You never think that about either of these films
[00:19:40] Yeah, so, you know, I mean in addition to you know that being a take on a television series and we talk about the cast and we talk about the moments and everything there are still quotable lines that come from both films
[00:19:57] Not just from the Adams but from you know, you would think a lot of these quotable lines that come from these characters would come from Morticia and Gomez
[00:20:07] But two lines in particular that stick out to me come from Wednesday of all people, you know, we and there's actually another actress that's actually in both films but plays two completely different roles in both
[00:20:23] And that's Mercedes McNabb. Yeah, I was gonna say I was like, you know, Buffy and Angel alum and Mercedes McNabb. Yeah. But I mean she plays the Girl Scout in the first one
[00:20:35] Which is actually one of my favorite quote of a lines from the movie. You know, are they made from real Girl Scouts? Yeah.
[00:20:43] Yeah, and then she plays a bigger role in Adam's Family Values as Amanda.
[00:20:48] Well, I've always viewed it as that's the same character because it's the same town so it would make sense that that's the same person.
[00:20:55] Yeah, and she's never named in the first one. So yeah, I guess it could be the same. It could be the same character.
[00:20:59] Oh yeah, I mean I would absolutely assume that she's just the popular girl in their town and we're just getting a glimpse at her early early on that she's just a bit part and then they're like you know what let's bring Mercedes back for something more substantial
[00:21:10] And my guess is that's purely just the way that it fell. And you know like I said, I don't think there was any
[00:21:16] Yeah, because they just have a realist in this Girl Scout and even you know the credits and IMDb. Yeah, they do make her something more legit.
[00:21:24] It doesn't make sense for them to for them to make it as somebody else.
[00:21:28] But so let's look and focus more on Adam's Family one than here. So with this film obviously what's you know we have our main plot of Fester kind of being missing
[00:21:39] For many many years where like I said they don't really he does he's never really been around and then we see this this weird kind of twisted story
[00:21:48] Of you know him coming back playing this this other character Gordon that's you know that's well we do find out later very much so and it's relatively clear cut that yes this is indeed Fester
[00:22:01] But you know it's the whole Bermuda triangle amnesia angle is played throughout the film but you know one of the things that's so much fun is just how ridiculous the you know the Abigail Craven character is
[00:22:18] Dr. Pinder slosh
[00:22:19] Because she's so over the top in like all the best stupid ways. But I love the fact that when she's saying things and then you even have like Margaret which is totally his wife and you know kind of making the comment is like this is preposterous
[00:22:34] And they're like yes it is and they're like just eating up this like the Adams are just not they're not dumb but they play up this naivety like so incredibly well that like they're so excited about all of these things but because of the weird
[00:22:49] Cookiness of everything that's happening in there every day. It feels so commonplace and normal that they're like of course this makes sense and I love that about their way that they portray these characters. Yeah I mean you look at you know you look at these characters as a whole it doesn't matter whether it's the movies or the television
[00:23:04] series because I'll be completely honest I think I'm pretty actually I'm not I don't have to think about it I know for a fact that the Adams family film from 1991 which is what we're discussing that was my first foray into the Adams family
[00:23:17] You know I knew it was based on a television series but I had never seen the series before I saw the movie so this was my first introduction into these characters and even still to this day I've maybe only seen two or three episodes of the actual original
[00:23:32] series it's something I want to rectify for sure. I mean I do recall the original Adams family beforehand from watching like things like Nick at night and things like that were weird random reruns like a weird point in time of the day where you know somebody in my family would be watching it
[00:23:51] like my mom or dad and it would I would always kind of be intriguing but I never enough that I watched a lot of it or like grew accustomed to it but you're right this this version was a real true introduction to these characters
[00:24:05] and I fell in love with them even when they did like the new Adams family that was in color that was another you know it was like a WB or something like that afternoon show that we got for a little while that was very slapsticky and over the top
[00:24:16] it was enjoyable still because I started really loving these characters as a whole we you know we've had we're we live in a world where we've had I think like four or five people now play Mortician Gomez
[00:24:29] including you know the brand new animated film that's out there that's really close to Charles Adams original designs for the characters and we were kind of hoping to be able to talk about that but unfortunately just time time permitting did not work out
[00:24:40] but you know it was but I mean I still think to this day that the cast from the Barry Southern films are the best examples of these characters that we will probably ever get.
[00:24:51] I agree with that I think you know it's one of the things that I've made mention of before not on this podcast but just in passing and personal you know that we've gotten you know John Aston was the original person to portray John Gomez Adams on on the screen and the television version and it's rather unfortunate that
[00:24:59] well Julia which is the version that we know and love from the films has passed and you know John Austin John Aston is actually still alive the original Gomez is still alive but this version you know that we know has unfortunately passed on
[00:25:16] you know so we'll never see a revisit of these characters portraying it because it would have been interesting because we know Angelica Houston is still acting you know Christina Ricci is still acting it would have been very interesting to see at some point a revisit of these characters.
[00:25:33] Yeah I mean I think it sounds like a sequel to the animated has already been green lit.
[00:25:38] We can apparently did incredibly well a lot of people thoroughly enjoyed it and what they actually did with the film so it's good agree to hear.
[00:25:47] I know so many people would still love to see a new Adams family movie that's even if it's a reboot but like just honestly a continuation of with some of the people that were still around from this version.
[00:25:56] Yeah I mean I think it sounds like a sequel to the animated has already been green lit.
[00:26:00] Yeah I mean it's a new movie that's even if it's a reboot but like just honestly a continuation of with some of the people that were still around from this version.
[00:26:09] And I know so many people have called for Christina Ricci to be the new Morticia would have been fantastic too and that would have been that would be amazing.
[00:26:18] It would be amazing she actually did something I think it was like Vanity Fair or like another like major like publication a couple years ago where she actually was in the Morticia outfit.
[00:26:27] You know for like a photo shoot or something like that they did for I think like an anniversary of the film.
[00:26:32] But it's like when you see it you're like that's such an awesome idea I would love to see that but you know what it's even we've seen these characters kind of continue one though in other ways not just in these other films but like there's the Adams family musical which I've actually gotten to see an off Broadway version of which was incredibly fun and goofy and over the top and silly
[00:26:51] But there's so many things to help celebrate between going back and picking up books of the old comic strips all this stuff.
[00:26:58] But talking about the original film is there what was your favorite I got a just moment that made you double have a double take the first time you saw this do you remember
[00:27:08] As a double take as in like I can't believe I'm seeing this on screen or just one of my favorite moments from the movie kind of kind of a mixture of both like I would say favorite scene but something like wait did that just happen kind of one of those things.
[00:27:21] You know what I have to say that when it comes to these movies I think the moment that's still like the moment that made me realize I'm in for a treat watching this is the opening.
[00:27:34] You know it opens with the Christmas carolers singing outside of their you know outside of the house and at this point again this was my first foray into the Adams I really didn't know what to expect.
[00:27:44] You know from them I was familiar with the characters but had never seen them before so the whole opening with the carolers singing outside of the mansion outside of the house and then the camera slowly panning up to this group of characters getting ready to not getting ready to
[00:28:01] starting to pour hot oil on care on carolers I'm like OK I don't know what to expect but I'm already loving this like this is I mean I'm already in at this point so I mean as far as like moments stick out in my head is in like oh my god I can't believe I'm seeing this from the very beginning the opening is that's what grabbed me.
[00:28:23] I you know what that's a great place to put it is that sequence you're right it does set up expectations you're like yeah oh they all bets are off.
[00:28:34] Exactly for me my favorite scene though still is is Wednesday and Pugsley you know and the school play.
[00:28:42] Oh God yes when they're were when they're doing the Shakespeare you know sequence to this day a hit a very powerful hit.
[00:28:55] But it's it's one of those moments that just makes me smile regardless of how old I get you know I was the perfect age for when this movie first came out back in 1991 I was only 10 years old and it played great to a 10 year old but it still plays amazing to a 40 year almost 40 year old.
[00:29:12] That's that's that says something that they just hit it right but it's it's so incredibly incredibly funny and I love just watching you know all of you know the entire crowd just stunned and in shock covered in blood and then this the Adams is getting up just the standing ovation and it's just it plays so amazing to this day it is one of my favorite movie scenes of any movie scene ever.
[00:29:40] And I adore it I absolutely adore it. Yeah I mean if we talk about favorite scenes though from the movie I mean not just stuff that stands out you know that is a great scene in itself to is just watching that happen when she's when you know slits her throat and when Pugsley slits Wednesdays throat and everything it's it's so great and just the blood spurting everywhere.
[00:30:01] But another scene in that movie that really sticks out to me is the Mamushka. Oh yeah it's such a wonderful sequence I love that.
[00:30:09] I'm just so much along with it while I'm watching it because it's just good fun in seeing all these quirky elements of you know this family coming together from like this this great cast of characters in the background that are all possibly related they're all part of the family.
[00:30:24] Seeing the singing chops from Ralph Julia and the dancing chops of Ralph Julia it's just a fun scene altogether again one that I sing along with and not only that but a key moment in the movie where we were finally starting to see a come around from from Fester.
[00:30:42] So yeah that that to me that's another scene in that movie that just really really sticks out to me and it is always in the forefront of my memory.
[00:30:49] Yeah I'm right there with you it's just incredible and wonderful and it's you know it reminds me of there was an old I think it was like a it was like Cinemax or HBO they used to do these little things called the scenes we love.
[00:31:02] And I remember both of them being in those those reels in addition to one will definitely talk about when we get to Addis family values but yeah absolutely I you're right though they are truly truly it's exceptional sequences but yeah I it's it's so much so much fun.
[00:31:19] Yeah I one of the things I wanted to bring up to and I know our friend Jada who's been on the podcast is you know been on a previous episode or tail earlier.
[00:31:29] It's something I've seen her very heavy very heavily lean into and I agree with her completely is when you look at these characters as weird and as cookie as they are and as dark as they can be when you look at them in a realistic light they really are a great portrayal of a loving marriage
[00:31:49] loving family.
[00:31:50] Sure they have their own ways of doing it but there's a complete there's a complete trust between all of them.
[00:31:58] They're very affectionate with one another the romantic with one another you know they stand behind one another again they have their own quirky way of doing things.
[00:32:08] But this is a great I think one of the reasons why so many people are drawn to these characters even in their darker state is because at the core of them they're still a great family.
[00:32:20] Oh yeah it's again relationship life goals.
[00:32:23] Yeah exactly as Gomez and Morticia as Jada would nicely put it.
[00:32:28] Yeah.
[00:32:29] And I agree with her again it's 100% true I agree with exactly what you're saying.
[00:32:34] Yeah they're just exceptionally well crafted characters and you're right it's we especially in today's day and age it's amazing to be able to see people that are again that open honest and trusting and then just affectionate and caring and all these little pieces again in the weirdest way is possible but in all the best way the best way is possible though too.
[00:32:57] Yeah exactly.
[00:32:59] One of the things I wanted to bring up with Adam's family and I know it carries over in Adam's family values but it will focus on it more on just Adam's family.
[00:33:07] And something for fun before we started recording I played a piece and you were just kind of like a MC Hammer doing the soundtrack to.
[00:33:18] Or not doing the soundtrack but basically doing the lead song from the movie and I think he does one for Adam's family values as well I think they bring him back to do that.
[00:33:28] But Adam's groove you and I stand very differently on that song as in I know you can't stand it and I to this day still remember every word from that song.
[00:33:42] The whole you know they do what they want to do say what I remember all of it because.
[00:33:47] Oh yeah no I mean I remember that well I owned that cassette tape of MC Hammer with that song on it.
[00:33:54] What it what it truly is for me is it is it is nostalgia for and that's purely all it is if you can remove nostalgia from it it is absolute garbage.
[00:34:07] That's all what it would unfortunately insist is the truth of it is this is an era of pop culture where.
[00:34:16] Rap is in is in everything because it is it's it's what's taking over yes all these little things like.
[00:34:26] You can look up pretty much does 1990s and then you know commercial rap and probably come up with YouTube like 600 hits of all these like over the top ridiculous like.
[00:34:41] Sad attempts of these things that are infesting things that shouldn't because it's just weird and it doesn't have a place there but like you see a lot of that like even like you will get like Batman returns like.
[00:34:53] You know Alfred scratching you know in the back like things like that are just they make me sad.
[00:35:01] That's all they do yeah I mean you're looking at a time and remembering a time where not only you know did people like you know was their rap included in soundtracks and movies like this but in return when they filmed the music videos they got the cast to come over and be a part of the video.
[00:35:17] You if you look at the video for Adams groove everybody from Adams family is in the video.
[00:35:23] Oh absolutely I mean and you know what like I said that stuff is great I love when you get things like that like you know like Goonies is one of my other favorite ones like that to go to Goonies are good enough with Cindy Loper like you have the entire you have all the kids there together too.
[00:35:35] When they get a chance to do those things they always have a tendency to be fun again and then what my statement is nothing against hip hop rap anything like that there's a lot of amazing hip hop and rap out there that I think is absolutely fantastic.
[00:35:46] Yeah my problem was the early 90s of it all where like you can like no lie look up Monster Rap from Elvira.
[00:35:54] Okay that's that was what was wrong with that era.
[00:35:57] Like I said it's a guilty pleasure it's not good but it's a guilty pleasure but like I said it's that's why I'm saying is nowadays going back to that stuff it's really painful the same way that it is like going back to a 1980s cartoon that you remember loving as a child then you go back now and you're like oh God this is this is a train wreck.
[00:36:16] And it's there's nothing good about this there's nothing redeeming about this it's just bad it's just really bad and then you just all of a sudden just like I feel really bad for my parents of having to like do the fact that this was maybe the thing that I watched or listened to every day at least six or seven times for several years.
[00:36:35] Yeah.
[00:36:36] And you wonder why your parents sometimes got a little bit angry or frustrated.
[00:36:41] So and that's really why is because of the times that we are in absolutely and the way that you know consumer culture kind of really was you see it best things like the Adam certainly like this in that same way the rest of the music for the film is hauntingly gorgeous.
[00:36:58] Like all the score work I you know it's funny I don't know if you're the same same as me but going back to a lot of these films that's one of the things that's popped out to me a lot was like the scores that I forgot about.
[00:37:07] And I'm like yeah these are beautifully beautifully written.
[00:37:10] So yeah and I'm a huge fan of movie scores I still to this day will listen to a good movie score.
[00:37:17] So yeah so I agree with you completely that the score itself is fantastic and I think Mark Shaman I think was the one that did the music for for Adams family I'm not sure who did it for for Adam's family values but you know he.
[00:37:37] I think I can't remember what other movies he's done he's not as well known you know with some other composers out there but he's you know still it's great music for for the for the movie.
[00:37:51] Yeah absolutely.
[00:37:53] Yeah so I guess maybe we should just it's time to give this one a rating.
[00:37:56] So well before we do that the other the only other thing I want to mention and this kind of ties into both films again too is when you look at the director and you look at Barry Sonfeld and you look at some of his other projects that he's done you know from the men and black movies to Wild Wild West series of unfortunate events on Netflix.
[00:38:17] This definitely fits in to his genre.
[00:38:22] You know and his the his style of directing that's really all I have to say about it is like when you look at the people you could have gotten to direct this movie.
[00:38:34] I think Barry Sonfeld was a good fit.
[00:38:36] I think he's part of the he's part of the success of why these movies are as popular as they are.
[00:38:41] It was a perfect choice.
[00:38:43] It was an absolutely perfect choice.
[00:38:45] All right.
[00:38:47] Yeah so obviously if you're this is the very first episode which I'm sorry if this is the very first one that you're listening to go back go back and listen to the other one.
[00:38:55] Yeah we're not asking a lot of you just nine maybe 10 hours of your life total hey yeah but we read everything is a almost kind of like a simple thumbs up thumbs down but because this is a Halloween
[00:39:06] Esk show we talk trick or treat obviously trick being bad treat being great.
[00:39:15] So Ben how would you rate Adams family from 1991 it is 100% an absolute treat.
[00:39:23] It is a movie I've rewatched over the past couple weeks.
[00:39:28] I will most likely watch it again probably between now and while you're hearing this on Halloween or later.
[00:39:33] So by the time you're hearing this I might have already rewatched it because it's just that much fun and not only that but not only is it a movie that has tons of Halloween has tons of Christmas.
[00:39:47] But it's one of those movies that's so well done and so fun.
[00:39:51] I can watch it anytime of the year and that to me is a mark of a great a great movie.
[00:39:56] I agree.
[00:39:58] I'm right there with you this definitely gets a treat.
[00:40:01] This is to this day one of my favorite films of all time and let alone again whether it be a Halloween movie a Christmas movie a Thanksgiving movie whatever the hell you want a sad sad Wednesday night in a movie whatever you need.
[00:40:15] This is one of those films that will always pick you up always make you laugh and never ceases to not be funny.
[00:40:19] It's kind of like you and me mentioned Kalu pretty pretty periodically through this episode which is probably something that will be appearing next year because it's another great great kind of Halloween esque film but it's one of those few films that is just lasting.
[00:40:35] It functions incredibly incredibly well.
[00:40:37] It doesn't really overly date itself.
[00:40:40] There's only a couple small sequences in the entire film that even give you an assemblance of when it actually is meant to take place but it does hold up incredibly well because of how over the top it is and how willing they are to stretch boundaries and do new things and different things.
[00:40:56] But it's it's it's such a great great film and even like where some of the effects work looks a little silly and cheesy.
[00:41:04] It's really easy to overlook because it's just again it is a classic.
[00:41:09] It is just a classic at this point.
[00:41:11] Yep agree 100% agree.
[00:41:13] All right why don't we fast forward time two years into the future and go into 1993 for Adams family values Ben I'll kick it over to you.
[00:41:21] Yeah I mean again it's a great follow up you know when it comes to comedies a lot of time sequels do not hold up.
[00:41:29] I mean you look at films like you know Ace Ventura when nature calls which is just it's not a great sequel in my I know people love it.
[00:41:37] Just just a quick quick note neither of those movies is a good movie let's be honest.
[00:41:43] I like the first Ace Ventura.
[00:41:45] I was a fan of the first Ace Ventura so I mean hey fair enough if you didn't like either one.
[00:41:48] Oh no I used to going back now outside of that prepubescent early team tweenies they don't hold up too well.
[00:41:59] Fair enough but I mean at least we can both agree that Ace Ventura when nature calls is just a horrible movie.
[00:42:07] Absolutely you know so when you look at sequels for comedies very rarely do they hold up to the original.
[00:42:13] I mean even like Anchorman which I love the sequel not as good not as good as the original.
[00:42:20] Adams family values is one of those ones where I think maybe there are moments it's lacking.
[00:42:26] I think I would put almost right up there with the original you know not only does it bring back all these characters that we love without really changing much of any of them.
[00:42:37] We get introduced to a slew of new characters and I'm not just talking about the main ones like Debbie Jolinsky and you know Gary and Becky Martin Granger.
[00:42:48] We get an expansion of the Adams family themselves you know we meet and characters from the TV series you know we get dementia or dementia we get flora and fauna there's just new.
[00:43:04] Well flora and fauna shows up in the first film.
[00:43:08] But not until the end though I don't think we get no they were at the Mimoshka scene that was like a big setup between the rivalry between Gomez.
[00:43:15] That's right and then we see them again in this one.
[00:43:19] Yeah but yeah I mean you know we get new additions to everything not only new additions to introductions to new characters but it completely new Adams.
[00:43:30] Yeah at Puberts.
[00:43:31] Which is what a perfect name for an Adams baby.
[00:43:36] And I love when like the whole thing is starting off as like we wanted to name that they could live with.
[00:43:41] So what are you calling him?
[00:43:43] And in that scene itself the excitement on Gomez's face because he's smoking a cigar in that scene and he's just the whole removes the cigar.
[00:43:53] Puberts and then puts the cigar back like the excitement on his face that his son's name is Puberts.
[00:43:58] Yeah.
[00:44:00] It's so well done.
[00:44:02] So many great lines is like oh he has your father's eyes Gomez get those out of his mouth.
[00:44:06] His mouth yeah.
[00:44:08] Like it's such a great follow up and continuation while again some people might not feel it's as good as the original.
[00:44:16] And again I feel there maybe there were some moments that were lacking because the original had such a catching magic in a lightening in a bottle aspect to it when it came to producing this television series to film.
[00:44:27] But I mean to me Adams family values it holds up just as well as the original.
[00:44:34] It really does.
[00:44:36] And it is almost just as good.
[00:44:38] Yeah.
[00:44:39] Honestly like I said and there's a there's a line that I a friend of mine in the past you meet me and him used to kick back and forth whenever there was a lowland conversation and it's from this film it is officer I need you to arrest someone who Debbie my brother's wife the tempter of why Kiki
[00:44:57] and Nathan Lane like who are you what are you who move rock and it's it's again it's such a great small cameo but that was like that was how we like what how we feel walls and conversation was that entire exchange back and forth and people just knew us from doing that over
[00:45:15] and over because it just became this weird tick that we did but like there's so many amazing lines from the first movie and to the second one but you're right though like all the new additions and especially Joe
[00:45:25] Q Zach in this film.
[00:45:27] Oh God.
[00:45:28] Such an amazingly wonderful evil villain that is perfect because that's the one thing I think the first film kind of lacks a little bit is like you know you know Miss Craven's kind of a she's an OK character.
[00:45:43] I mean she's she's probably the thinnest part of that film and it's not saying that's a big thing or a bad thing but like then you get to the second film and Debbie is such a perfect like evil person that and it's like
[00:45:55] and it's funny too because she's evil in kind of the same way that the Adams family is.
[00:46:00] I was just going to say she she is a villain on the level of an Adams.
[00:46:05] Yeah.
[00:46:06] And it's funny because in any other role and they were like oh we're going to be sad to see her go you know it's kind of yeah.
[00:46:12] She is a character that was so well done that had she not been a villain of the Adams she would have fit in with the Adams perfectly.
[00:46:19] Right.
[00:46:20] And it's really funny because you see somebody like the first film like you have Margaret Tully's wife who is so sweet and normal and then become just a normal part of the Adams clan by the end and it's but she still is this adorably sickly sweet
[00:46:33] and then Debbie is this is perfect over the top.
[00:46:35] But the funny thing is the through line between both these films is is faster is faster.
[00:46:40] And because he is such a great focal point because he's such a different weird unique character that it does play in really just amusing little ways.
[00:46:50] But his relationship with back and forth between him and you know him and Joe Q sex character with Debbie is so incredibly funny.
[00:47:00] I love watching everything play between the two of them all the times that she attempts to murder him and he survives like dropping the radio into the tub.
[00:47:08] And when the dust settles he's just got a light bulb in his mouth that's lit up when she blows up the house and he just walks out with a perfectly cooked turkey.
[00:47:17] It's like they're so well done.
[00:47:20] You know and I love the fact that by the end of the movie it's pubert that saves the day.
[00:47:27] You know like what a great way to fully induct him into the into the family.
[00:47:33] You know in that like by the end he's he's the one that takes out Debbie and it's fantastic.
[00:47:39] Oh yeah I mean it's again it's incredibly thoroughly enjoyable and it's it's and I love to that like you even have like these other characters like Joe who is the love interest for Wednesday at the camp.
[00:47:52] You know as they're trying to figure out who Debbie is because you know Wednesday is the only one that believes something's truly wrong again just like the first film.
[00:47:59] Either taking a lot of the same kind of elements from the first film and carrying into the second in the way that things are structured and functioning.
[00:48:07] All these little pieces kind of moving and you know I love that is Joe and Wednesday kind of like looking at serial killer trading cards to figure out her identity.
[00:48:17] And it's like and I'm like I love the fact that job is just as equally as warped but in a completely different way and it's it's a lot of fun to watch on how that plays up.
[00:48:26] But we talk about other like favorite scenes from the first film and then the second one I feel like there's a ton of other amazing amazing ones here too.
[00:48:35] One of the best ones is definitely while they're at the camp like I said there's the there's the end of the sequence at the camp is obviously the big one we'll get to but that small one of when they first get caught doing something and they kind of get put in a happy hug.
[00:48:49] And they're forced to watch Disney movies and it's this that sequence of like why you can't do this and they're looking at books like he's only a child you know.
[00:48:58] Yeah.
[00:49:00] But it's that great sequence of when they come back and then free them all from the you know the happy hut and all of a sudden it's just Wednesday putting that terrifying smile.
[00:49:10] She's scaring me.
[00:49:12] Well I mean you know not only that but you know we talk about great scenes from the sequel as well but again just like the first one there's so many great quotable quotable lines and lines and scenes that are delivered so subtly.
[00:49:28] But perfectly in the style of Adams that you just you kind of do a double take and you're like holy crap that's funny and it really shouldn't be.
[00:49:36] You know when it comes to like I said with quotable lines one that always sticks out into my head is the first meeting of Wednesday and Amanda.
[00:49:45] You know when when Amanda says like why are you dressed like somebody died and Wednesday's wait wait you know but you know when it talks to fate when you come to favorite scenes like one of my favorite scenes.
[00:49:56] And again this is one of those ones where you laugh at it because it's funny and it really shouldn't be is when they're throwing the bachelor party for Fester and Lurch brings out the cake.
[00:50:08] And it's supposed to be a stripper inside the cake and Gomez is like Lurch was she in there before you baked.
[00:50:16] I was like is that poor Lurch was she in there before you baked.
[00:50:20] Say love me love me.
[00:50:21] It's so good.
[00:50:23] Like again the scenes that shouldn't be funny but totally are and that it's perfectly Adam style and I love it.
[00:50:31] Yeah. Oh yeah absolutely.
[00:50:33] It's wonderful.
[00:50:35] All right we got to get to that scene because I know you and I both want to talk about it.
[00:50:38] So the actual Thanksgiving play is truly just again when we say some of the best film film scenes ever just all of the reject children.
[00:50:51] At the camp just decimating and basically without them showing death hunting and killing the popular kids is to this day is just just fantastic.
[00:51:04] And just you know having again you know Gary and Becky Martin Granger dust like being roasted on a spit the whole nine like they just go so far into left field in that sequence but it plays again just brilliantly.
[00:51:21] It's such a funny scene.
[00:51:23] And I think on top of that too when we talk about that scene there's so much stuff that plays out in that scene you know from pilgrims being launched into the lake and everything.
[00:51:34] One of my favorite moments from that scene and it really speaks Adams is you know after everything has happened and the dust is kind of settled and we kind of see the aftermath.
[00:51:42] We see Amanda tied to a pole with an apple in her mouth you know with Wednesday approaching her and then we get that atypical Adam scene with her holding up a match lighting the match and the theme the Adams family playing in the background.
[00:51:58] And it's like yes would a fantastic way to wrap up that scene.
[00:52:03] Oh I know and it's perfect and like I said.
[00:52:06] But yes both films do have small little issues here and there blah blah blah blah blah to this day though they're both damn near perfect awesome over the top great comedies that are twisted and creepy in all the best way.
[00:52:20] We have talked about a lot of movies over the course of this this podcast over the course of this first book.
[00:52:25] No no two movies.
[00:52:29] I and every time we've talked about different movies there's always been a part of me that's like yeah I'd like to go back and rewatch this now after talking about them.
[00:52:38] No two movies have more so spoken to me in that way than these two movies like we're talking about these movies now I really absolutely when we're done want to watch them when we're done.
[00:52:49] I didn't rewatch them in preparation for this because I know them inside and out like the fact that like I said you know we were just kicking off lines like there was nothing to like.
[00:53:01] I know these films that incredibly well I am going to be decorating my house because again this is the Sunday before Halloween I'm going to decorate the house for Halloween today both of those films are going to be on in the background.
[00:53:11] I'm going to be on in the background of my house while I'm doing that because it's it's such a perfect way to get in the spirit and I that's why we wanted to end with these films like we originally were thinking it was going to be Adams family in the brand new animated one.
[00:53:26] But then when we realized time was not going to permit Mike well why don't we just do Adams family values and I was more excited about that because I'm still one of those things that I'm really worried about is going to see this new Adams family film and I know I will eventually watch it absolutely because I love those characters.
[00:53:41] So much but nothing's going to hold a candle to this and I don't want to be objectively looking at it for it being something that it's not supposed to be which is the sequel to one of these films.
[00:53:52] It's hard to watch a reboot of something of something that you care a ton about it's never going to be the same so and it's not a reboot there there's been so many interpretations of these characters over the years I mean there's the there's the third film in this series that no one really talks about.
[00:54:10] I mean and the rather unfortunate a part about that too is there is a phenomenal actor playing Gomez Adams in that version.
[00:54:17] Right. But people still refuse to talk about it because it's not a good movie. It's one of those directed DVD films like you know I think it's Darrell Hannah plays Morticia.
[00:54:25] We have Tim Curry playing Gomez. We have a brand new Wednesday brand new Pugsley brand new Fester brand new grandma the only person that's back in the mix.
[00:54:32] Lurch Lurch and thing are the only only portrayed by the same two people. That's it but it's and you want you wish there could have been a third film with this cast.
[00:54:45] But again this was one of Roger Lee's last films and you know what man what what too great what of a great role to kind of end your career on kind of like cement your career a little bit.
[00:54:57] And I mean don't don't get me wrong. He's played some phenomenal characters you know in his day you know even M. Bison in Street Fighter is like like come on like that's still that's still a fun character.
[00:55:10] But you're right like this was one of his final movies what better way to cement your career than playing this iconic character. Yeah absolutely.
[00:55:19] I guess the only thing left to do talking about this film because we talked a lot about it in conjunction with the first film is to give it our final rating for for this book.
[00:55:30] So again trick or treat then.
[00:55:33] Oh God again it's it's it's a treat. I mean it's it's one of those movies that Justin talking about it right now I want to go back and rewatch I want to watch them back and back back to back.
[00:55:43] I did it a couple weeks ago.
[00:55:46] Even though I didn't need to again like you I've seen these movies so many times that I could very easily talk about them without watching.
[00:55:53] But I just like you having these movies on while you're decorating for Halloween by the time you are hearing this podcast I will have watched them both guaranteed I will probably be watching them while I'm editing what you are listening to.
[00:56:08] It's they're so wonderful movies again I feel like you're right it would have been great to see a third edition to this done properly at least with these characters.
[00:56:19] But with what we've gotten out of these two movies I'm utterly satisfied and these are two movies that it doesn't matter how old I get I will continue to go back and revisit absolutely absolutely.
[00:56:33] And I want to thank these two films too for actually giving me my favorite pinball table of all time.
[00:56:39] Yeah it's so because man oh man the others family pinball is just so good.
[00:56:47] All right well as for me again this is also a treat I can't give it anything but that you know I'm really really really happy we got to talk about these two films to close out and I feel like it's it's the best way and it's it's going to be too much.
[00:57:03] And I think these two films that are going to be really hard to top next year because I would say out of all the films we've talked about these are probably my favorite out of this entire first book so but yeah I you know I guess I guess that's that's about it man.
[00:57:19] Well I want to pose a quick question to you and this is something I'm kind of shooting off the cuff because we kind of touched on it a little bit earlier but and this doesn't have anything to do with either two movies so we've done our rankings and we're done with it.
[00:57:33] If you could cast a new live action version of the Adams family because you know we did talk about Christina Ricci possibly play Morticia any ideas in your head as to who you could cast to play these characters.
[00:57:46] Yeah actually oddly enough the person that they have voicing Gomez I think yeah I agree with that I would actually put in that role and that's Oscar Isaacs he would be such a perfect one and yes 100% you know Morticia would definitely
[00:58:03] play and no question about this at all would definitely be playing our brand new you know or sorry Christina Ricci would definitely be playing our brand new Morticia oddly enough Fester Josh Gad.
[00:58:17] Oh that's a good one.
[00:58:20] I think Josh Gad could play that role in a really kind of fun way that's kind of a nice blend of the original Adams family like like you know TV show with John Austin you know that it would kind of mesh into that role.
[00:58:33] That role a little bit differently you know as far as all of our other major roles this the same lurch is still still with us.
[00:58:43] Yeah bring Carol Strueckin back and just play lurch again.
[00:58:46] Absolutely you know I think it's really hard to look at anybody on the side of the kids because again child actors grow up so quickly that it's it would be interesting to see who would be the best fit.
[00:59:01] I would actually probably look at you know maybe a little bit of the casting of the some of the kids from Stranger Things and I was just thinking that too for like for Pugsley.
[00:59:10] You could definitely I think you could definitely see somebody like Millie Bobby Brown play a great great Wednesday.
[00:59:15] I think she could because she plays 11 so straight that seeing her kind of get to play a little bit could be really fun.
[00:59:22] Yeah but yeah you know there's there's so many so many great people out there that could fit into those roles but the I least know that those roles are really fun.
[00:59:30] I think that's the main three main three between Fester Gomez and Morticia.
[00:59:35] I think that would be amazing.
[00:59:37] I actually really like the Josh Gad casting a fester.
[00:59:40] I think that would be a lot of fun.
[00:59:42] Yeah I would I would love it.
[00:59:44] I think it would be amazing so yeah.
[00:59:46] All right how about you?
[00:59:48] No I kind of share a lot of your thoughts.
[00:59:51] I had Oscar Isaac in mind for Gomez when I posed the question and you kind of ran right along with it.
[00:59:57] Christina Ricci until you mentioned it earlier I think that's perfect casting and I honestly I can't think of anybody better than Josh Gad for Fester.
[01:00:06] I think that would be like a dream cast of this movie.
[01:00:09] Oh and Grandma Maggie Smith.
[01:00:13] Yeah.
[01:00:15] So yeah Professor McGonigal.
[01:00:17] Yeah I was thinking of McGonigal.
[01:00:19] I was thinking of the name McGonigal and I couldn't think of it so yeah you just reminded me.
[01:00:23] Yeah Maggie Smith I think would fit in really really well so.
[01:00:25] Maggie Smith would be fun.
[01:00:26] Yeah but cool.
[01:00:28] All right man I guess it's time to get out of here in time to close the book on this first.
[01:00:34] Well close this first book.
[01:00:36] Pop it up in the shelf and we'll grab the next one from the shelf next year and get through this.
[01:00:45] But yeah I think this was a fun one.
[01:00:48] This was a lot of fun.
[01:00:50] You know it's a great rap to book one of Still Afraid of the Dark.
[01:00:56] You know thank you to all the people that reached out and said you know they love the format and being able to listen with their kids and you know for the great reviews for it.
[01:01:06] I hate taking a break from it but you know it's going to be even better when we come back next year and like we're already looking forward to it.
[01:01:16] Yeah a big special thanks to my wife Kat to Jada to TJ Aaron Damon Liz Bill and of course you've been like I said that was it was a great time.
[01:01:26] It was a great group of people to talk through all this stuff with and a big special gigantic thanks to our good friends at this way to the egress.
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[01:02:06] Yeah it's going to be a lot of fun and I can't wait for is either and you know just as you thank me special thanks to you as well this was something that you and I were.
[01:02:14] We kind of threw out there months ago and we knew we really wanted to do and you know I'm extremely pleased with what we finally pulled together and you know it worked and I can't wait to do it again next year.
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[01:03:10] Sorry I figured I'd correct you before you brought us out.
[01:03:14] Yeah absolutely and I guess the last thing we can say is happy Halloween.